Mini 935 -- The Fountainhead (Completed)

[cruelty]

I read you explanation. I didn't like it.

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

If you think he is town and is suspectible to a L-2 quick lynch (yeah I wish scum would suicide themselves like that on D1), why are you voting him at all regardless of what votes he is at?

The only, "he has too many votes on him, otherwise I would vote him" argument I would accept is if he would be hammered by your vote. L-1 is up for debate, I agree that no one has done anything to warrant L-1 yet, but L-2? No reason you can't put him there if he's your suspect.

It's page 5, day 1. There's no way I'm not going to have doubts about my vote - I'm happy and willing to concede that AGM, despite being the scummiest player in the game (imo, of course) at this point is quite possibly town. With that in mind, I'm not going to ramp up the votes this early, with so little information out there.

Would scum suicide like that on day 1? Probably not, but why take the risk of losing important town assets this early on?

[cruelty]

Ironically it's now page 6.

[HowardRoark]

Vote Count -- D1

Zang (3) -- d3x, AlmasterGM, RedCoyote
horrordude0215 (2) -- SpyreX, Porkens
AlmasterGM (2) -- Debonair Danny DiPietro, cruelty
cruelty (2) -- Fate, Kthxbye

Not Voting (3) -- horrordude0215, Zang, Budja

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is 02 APR 2010 at 9:15pm UTC. (Countdown)

V/LA

horrordude0215 until 2010 MAR 08
AlmasterGM until 2010 MAR 10

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I read you explanation. I didn't like it.

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

If you think he is town and is suspectible to a L-2 quick lynch (yeah I wish scum would suicide themselves like that on D1), why are you voting him at all regardless of what votes he is at?

The only, "he has too many votes on him, otherwise I would vote him" argument I would accept is if he would be hammered by your vote. L-1 is up for debate, I agree that no one has done anything to warrant L-1 yet, but L-2? No reason you can't put him there if he's your suspect.

It's page 5, day 1. There's no way I'm not going to have doubts about my vote - I'm happy and willing to concede that AGM, despite being the scummiest player in the game (imo, of course) at this point is quite possibly town. With that in mind, I'm not going to ramp up the votes this early, with so little information out there.

Would scum suicide like that on day 1? Probably not, but why take the risk of losing important town assets this early on?

But for town to lose those assets, scum would have to suicide. And I really can't think of a single town asset that I wouldn't trade for two scum; hell I don't think there's more than one or two roles than I wouldn't trade for a single scum. Explanation simply doesn't fly.

Unvote; Vote: cruelty

[Fate]

DDD beat me to it.

It isn't a risk that town should be afraid of. Hell I bet even AGM (if town) would be in favor of a L-2 quicklynch on him.

So AGM is both the scummiest player and also quite possible town? Sure by raw statistics our D1 lynch isn't going to hit scum, but I thought the point of D1 mafia was to lynch the scummiest player.

[cruelty]

What?

My thinking is this: AGM in my mind was at L3. If I put him at L2, then it just takes one gimp to come bumbling along and vote him (and I'm very conscious that Zang is in the game), then scum can quickly hammer, getting 2 chances to knock off town assets + gaining the benefit of town going into day2 essentially blind. I don't really want that to happen; I might be naively optimistic but I'm holding out hope that we'll happen upon a relatively sure thing rather than lynching someone based on weak reasoning which is the inevitable hallmark of a day 1 lynch.

Of course I agree that two scum would be a great trade for 2 town, regardless of their role. I'm not stupid. All I'm trying to do is ensure that town controls the lynch. At this moment in time, whilst if forced to lynch one person it would be AGM (hence my vote), I'm not entirely happy with the evidence against him. It's just that it's so early in the game that there's not really a whole heap of information out there to push a legitimate, logically solid lynch.

I really, really don't like how there's preconceived notions of how one should play on this site. It's like there's criteria you have to adhere to in order to be considered town, which is completely backwards. That said, do your thing, I'm not entirely sure why my exercising caution is voteworthy though.

[SpyreX]

I'm totally that guy: horror really needs to post or get a replacement (I'd prefer the latter before it goes nutso).

Cruelty makes sense, in an alternate viewpoint kind of way. Especially that last paragraph strikes me as the kind of "town confused at what the hell" versus "scum trying to weasel out of a mistake" kinda vibe.

[Zang]

My thinking is this: AGM in my mind was at L3. If I put him at L2, then it just takes one gimp to come bumbling along and vote him (and I'm very conscious that Zang is in the game), then scum can quickly hammer, getting 2 chances to knock off town assets + gaining the benefit of town going into day2 essentially blind. I don't really want that to happen; I might be naively optimistic but I'm holding out hope that we'll happen upon a relatively sure thing rather than lynching someone based on weak reasoning which is the inevitable hallmark of a day 1 lynch.

This is assuming that AGM is not scum but i do believe that your explaination makes sence.

I'm totally that guy: horror really needs to post or get a replacement (I'd prefer the latter before it goes nutso).

calm down, he still has time left on his V/LA

[d3x]

Zang- Who is Scum?

[Zang]

Zang- Who is Scum?

I already answered this

actually horrorc looks pretty bad to me, he hasn't contributed to almost anything all game, but I can understand what he is going through so I won't vote for him until he can defend himself.

[SpyreX]

There's more than one. So, fire off another guess.

[cruelty]

This is assuming that AGM is not scum but i do believe that your explaination makes sence.

Well as I said, I don't have a strong scum read on him at all. Merely the strongest.

[Fate]

(and I'm very conscious that Zang is in the game), then

scum can quickly hammer,

getting 2 chances to knock off town assets + gaining the benefit of town going into

day2 essentially blind.

Two chances? I'll assume you are referring to the lynch and the nightkill combined, but that's basically what happens D1 anyway.

ALSO, read the bolded parts. What the hell? What town in their ***ing mind would be "blind" D2 if scum QUICKHAMMERED D1?

Then again I don't want to tunnel someone for "playstyle differences." I'll continue to watch you today, though.

@Spyrex: Someone's got to say it =/

[cruelty]

It's fairly clear that if someone quickhammered D1 then D2 would basically be a turkeyshoot.

With Spyrex leading the charge I can't really believe that D2 would see much meaningful discussion in the event of a D1 quickhammer. We'd be essentially blind - there'd be the #1 target, standing head and shoulders above everyone else, and I suspect the day would end quite rapidly. It really wouldn't be optimal.

[SpyreX]

Hold up what in the hells bells does this have to do with me?

And I'm not sure how those two paragraphs mesh - D2 is a turkeyshoot if there's a quickhammer (pretty much yea). However that means there is one clear "hey, I am scum" target and when he gets killed thats.. bad?

[Budja]

I had a post. I refreshed .
Bascially:
re

vote:horror

cruelty reads misconception over scum.
Fate looks better.
No time to post until tomorrow.

[cruelty]

Hold up what in the hells bells does this have to do with me?

And I'm not sure how those two paragraphs mesh - D2 is a turkeyshoot if there's a quickhammer (pretty much yea). However that means there is one clear "hey, I am scum" target and when he gets killed thats.. bad?

You're bloodthirsty, this is common knowledge. It's not beyond the realm of comprehension that you'd push a fast lynch tomorrow, especially on someone with a high likelihood of being scum.


I just don't really think that the lack of information + loss of 3 town lives (I wasn't thinking big enough, a quicklynch tomorrow = another townie dead night 2) is worth the life of one dumbass scum.

[SpyreX]

I am bloodthirsty. But that doesn't mean I'm going to miss things by moving ultraspeed.

1-3 isn't TERRIBLE odds by any means. Especially since depending on how it got there information parsing could make it easily 2-3 or even 1-2.

[cruelty]

No, but there's no need to be rash.

[SpyreX]

Its page six and no one is dead yet. I'm definitely contained.

[Fate]

Cruelty you're stubborn. Too stubborn. Stubborn as Bouncy was in that PYP...

Unvote

I don't want to go down that road again. Will be back later to re-read and choose another road to go down.

[cruelty]

I have no idea what you're referring to but alright.

[Porkens]

Cruelty reads simply as overcautious to me. If AGM flips scum at some point, or if there's a lot more opposition to an AGM lynch from cruelty, then I'll remember these last couple pages.

Too many VLAs at the moment to play the game, but I'm still on for lynching Horror or Zang

[RedCoyote]

Agreed with Porkens.

I don't really want to touch cruelty/Spyrex/Fate.

[RedCoyote]

By that second sentence I mean I've already stated how I feel about cruelty, so there's no sense repeating myself.