Stars Aligned II - Game Over!

[Percy]

Beginning-of-day post has been edited to include the kills from last night.

[VP Baltar]

I heard no noise and did not ward.

Vote: Ani

I'll have some more thoughts later.

[iLord]

I'm inclined to think Chaco's not a murderer, given that the he must've decided to convert after Day 1 and not many people would do so after getting a good idea how difficult such a path is.

Correct me if I'm missing something, but isn't Drench's replacement likely murderer? She's already admitted that Drench tracked/attempted to murder Adel before she replaced in. That's two insanities - enough for Drench to choose Psychopathy if she wanted (Which Stalking Adel N0 would suggest).

I don't believe noise claims help at this stage, as the scum probably aren't crafting fetishes anymore and we don't want them to know who was likely stalked.

Vote: kunkstar

[animorpherv1]

Was passed a fetish. GAH!!!!! Picked twitch for resulting insanity.

heard noise. Had to select an Insanity, so I chose Aversion and VPBaltar.

Ani, did you have to select an insanity because you were passed a fetish?

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I heard noise and didn't ward anyone.

No, I was not passsed a fetish. I had to select an Insanity from not doing anything.

I think I got stalked.

vote:VPBaltar

Insanity Infraction

[kunkstar7]

Correct me if I'm missing something, but isn't Drench's replacement likely murderer? She's already admitted that Drench tracked/attempted to murder Adel before she replaced in. That's two insanities - enough for Drench to choose Psychopathy if she wanted (Which Stalking Adel N0 would suggest).

I chose twitchy for my second insanity instead of Psychopathy. In effect, I was murderer, but not now.

[iLord]

I chose twitchy for my second insanity instead of Psychopathy. In effect, I was murderer, but not now.

I'm afraid I don't get what you're saying here - Percy let you unchoose an insanity?

No, I was not passsed a fetish. I had to select an Insanity from not doing anything.

I think I got stalked.

vote:VPBaltar

Why didn't you do anything?

[animorpherv1]

Seriously. I got 3 Insainity Infraction yesterday, so I was forced to sit out.

[animorpherv1]

The message is right here, FYI.

animorpherv1 received Insanity Infractions for this post, this post and this post. He has lost his

Night Action

for tonight.

I'd also like to remind everyone of my warning:

PMs have been flavoured. The flavour is for you and you

alone

. Any attempts to even

reference

the content of the flavour for a particular action in public will be dealt with swiftly and mercilessly.

A good rule of thumb is that if it's in italics at the top of your PM, it's for you. Everything from your

Night Action

choice down is free to be paraphrased.

Finally, I have added in an additional caveat about Insanity Infractions. If anyone loses their

Night Action

due to Insanity Infractions for a second time, or accrues 8 Insanity Infractions over the course of the game, they will be modkilled.

With 21 alive, 11 votes are required to Lynch.

[vikingfan]

Correct me if I'm missing something, but isn't Drench's replacement likely murderer? She's already admitted that Drench tracked/attempted to murder Adel before she replaced in. That's two insanities - enough for Drench to choose Psychopathy if she wanted (Which Stalking Adel N0 would suggest).

I chose twitchy for my second insanity instead of Psychopathy. In effect, I was murderer, but not now.

Nice try. But we've already had TWO nights already before you replaced in and you keep saying it's your second insanity. The OP says even if one fails in a murder/stalk, the side effects still carry through of gaining an sanity. So you've got three and the one you picked last night is your third. If you ARE innocent, then you wouldn't have even needed to pick an insanity last night...you would have just laundered or done something else. Vote stands.

Mind naming all your insanities?

[elvis_knits]

I was passed a fetish last night. I have one insanity. I chose taboo launder.

N0: I warded DGB (Heard noise but didn't know if I was targetted because warding DGB would also cause me to hear noise).
N1: I heard noise (Did not perform an action that would cause me to hear noise)
N2: Received Fetish (Heard noise, but that is a side effect of getting fetish, don't know if I was targetted for anything else)

NOW... this leads me to believe that I was NOT targetted N0. Because if I had a fetish made of me N0, I would have probably gotten the fetish N1, which I didn't. (And if I had been stalked N0, I would be murdered by now).

I am trying to figure out how many active scum we have out there. If other people can possibly narrow things down from N0 atleast, we might be able to figure out how many scum are out there, which might in turn help us figure out if there is a discrepancy in future nights regarding number of actions. I'm not a math person, so someone will have to tell me for sure, but I feel like there are things we can figure out from this.

[iLord]

@ani: Ah, okay, I forgot.

@e_k: What do you mean by "active scum?" Does that include murderers?

[animorpherv1]

I think she means active scum as in scum that is not lurking.

[elvis_knits]

@e_k: What do you mean by "active scum?" Does that include murderers?

I was thinking that it would include murderers... although stalks from N0 should be either dead or rezzed and thus explainable by now. So I guess we have to look at all the nightclaims from N0 and see which ones were murderers, and the remaining are culties.

Again, I am not the most strategic person, so I would appreciate help refining this train of thought, but I feel like there may be some way to get info by sorting this out.

[elvis_knits]

I think she means active scum as in scum that is not lurking.

No, I really just meant scum. I don't know why I said active. I mean that we can figure out the number of scum from working back through action claims and looking for problems with the claims.

[dramonic]

Nice try. But we've already had TWO nights already before you replaced in and you keep saying it's your second insanity. The OP says even if one fails in a murder/stalk, the side effects still carry through of gaining an sanity.

So you've got three and the one you picked last night is your third.

If you ARE innocent, then you wouldn't have even needed to pick an insanity last night...you would have just laundered or done something else. Vote stands.

Mind naming all your insanities?

How do you know she gained an insanity?

[animorpherv1]

Updating again.

Updated info:

I'm just putting everything in that I noticed people claim... might not all be true!

IN DANGER:
Adel - Heard noise. No ward.(VP failed ward/Ani stalked) [/color]
Amished - Heard noise. No ward.
CSL/Col. Cathart - Heard noise. No ward. Elli stalked. Murdered/rezzed N1

dramonic - Heard noise. No ward. (Chaco warded)
DrippingGoofball - Heard noise. No ward. (elvis warded)

Ellibereth - Heard noise. No ward. STALKER

Iecerint - Heard noise. No ward. - MURDERED N1

iLord - Heard noise. No ward.
Phate - Heard noise. No ward. - CULT RITUAL target/REZ N1

Sajin - Heard noise. No ward. - MURDERED N1 - INVESTIGATOR

Sarag - Heard noise. No ward.

Katy/Seacore - Heard noise. No ward. - MURDERED N1

vikingfan - Heard noise. No ward.


Safe:

animorpherv1 - No noise. No ward.
Drench - No noise. No ward.
evilsnail - No noise. No ward.
Faraday - No noise. No ward.

Nicodemus - No noise. No ward. LYNCHED D1 - CULT

semioldguy - No noise. No ward.
SlySly - No noise. No ward.
startransmission - No noise. No ward.
VP - Heard noise. Ward Adel (failed). Warded by Wicked.
Dram - heard noise, warded by chaco
DGB - heard noise, warded by elvis


Unknown:

Chaco - Heard noise. Warded Dram.
elvis_knits - Heard noise. Used ward. DGB
Wickedestjr - Heard noise. Used ward. VP

[dramonic]

that's not really updated...

[animorpherv1]

Should be right now.

IN DANGER:
Adel - Heard noise. No ward.(VP failed ward/Ani stalked)
Amished - Heard noise. No ward.

CSL/Col. Cathart - Heard noise. No ward. Elli stalked. Murdered/rezzed N1 - LYNCHED D2

dramonic - Heard noise. No ward. (Chaco warded)
DrippingGoofball - Heard noise. No ward. (elvis warded)

Ellibereth - Heard noise. No ward. STALKER

Iecerint - Heard noise. No ward. - MURDERED N1

iLord - Heard noise. No ward.

Phate - Heard noise. No ward. - CULT RITUAL target/REZ N1 - CULT TARGET N2

Sajin - Heard noise. No ward. - MURDERED N1 - INVESTIGATOR

Sarag - Heard noise. No ward.

Katy/Seacore - Heard noise. No ward. - MURDERED N1

vikingfan - Heard noise. No ward.


Safe:

animorpherv1 - No noise. No ward.
Drench - No noise. No ward.
evilsnail - No noise. No ward.
Faraday - No noise. No ward.

Nicodemus - No noise. No ward. LYNCHED D1 - CULT

semioldguy - No noise. No ward.
SlySly - No noise. No ward.

startransmission - No noise. No ward. - MURDERED N2

VP - Heard noise. Ward Adel (failed). Warded by Wicked.
Dram - heard noise, warded by chaco
DGB - heard noise, warded by elvis


Unknown:

Chaco - Heard noise. Warded Dram.
elvis_knits - Heard noise. Used ward. DGB
Wickedestjr - Heard noise. Used ward. VP

[elvis_knits]

I think we need to do a table at this point... I will work on it in a bit, unless somebody else wants too. There is more claimed info than is in that chart currently, I think.

How do people feel about claiming everything they know at this point? It might help us sort out who we want to force rob graves tonight, as well as just generall catch scum.

Also, I'm assuming starttransmission was cult. 3 insanities! CSL... probably scum of some sort? 2 insanities is indeed what he claimed to us, but his explanation for how he got 2 was scummy.

[Wickedestjr]

I did not hear any noises nights 1 and 2, so I should survive night 3.

I am still catching up and I'm still reading the mid40s of the thread. Firstly, @evilsnail, it doesn't matter how long you forgot that you found Nicodemus's action scummy. My point is that you forgot something voteworthy.

Secondly, now that we have a revealed cultist, we have more to work with. I have drawn the following conclusions based on players interactions with Nicodemus:

animorph

- There are two points I would like to talk about. Firstlly, Nicodemus didn't really take much of a strong stance on animorph when he claimed to have used Launder. When animorph revealed that he had actually stalked Adel, Nicodemus voted animorph. In his next post he questions SlySly about him thinking animorph is town and says it would be silly for town to lynch anybody else. This strikes me as a strong stance. Overall, these actions make me think that animorph isn't a cult buddy. If Nicodemus bussed animorph for stalking, then why wouldn't he have bussed animorph for laundering. I think if he was really interested in bussing, he would've bussed animorph when he claimed to have laundered. Secondly, Nicodemus seems to have some confusion about the rules. Nicodemus unvoted animorph here:

Unvote: ani

My biggest concern with ani was that he was lying about his insanity to allow him to participate in the ritual tonight with no apparent change in insanity count. Now that this has been alleviated I see no reason to vote him as

he is verified town

.

Nicodemus claims to not have the greatest idea of the rules (which I believe, despite him flipping scum), yet unvotes because animorph is "verified town". If he doesn't have the greatest understanding of the rules then I would think he wouldn't have been so confident that animorph was town if animorph was actually a fellow cultist. Overall, my read on animorph based on this is

Town

Chaco

- Nicodemus barely spoke to Chaco. This could be considered distancing. Chaco also barely spoke about Nicodemus or to him. Possible distancing. Nicodemus says he has a neutral read on Chaco. This doesn't change my read at all. Despite the possible distancing, post 51 in Chaco iso seems to point towards Chaco being town. I'm not sure.

Neutral

dramonic

- Nicodemus and Dramonic don't seem to talk about each other that much. Nicodemus has Dramonic as neutral and Dramonic helped lynch Nicodemus. He never actually gave any reasons and kind of snuck on to the Nicodemus wagon imo. There isn't enough interactions to use, but I guess I am leaning scum.

Neutral/Scum

More to come later. Would like comments on the analysis I've done thus far.

[elvis_knits]

I didn't make it very far yet, but if somebody wants to keep going with the table they can... or I will continue later. I'm posting it now in case somebody wants to quote and lift it and keep going.

[mrow]Player[col]N0[col]N1[col]N2[col]Explanation/NotesAdel/Hayker[col]Noise:Yes Ward:No[col] Rezzed [col]?[col]VP failed ward/Ani stalked but did not kill/kunkstar(drench) stalk-murder failedMagua(Amished)[col]Noise:Yes Ward:No[col]Noise:No [col]?[col]?CSL(Col.Cathart)[col]Noise:Yes Ward:No[col]Murdered/rezzed [col]-dead with 3 insanities-[col]Elli stalked-murdereddramonic[col]Noise:Yes Ward:No (warded by chaco)[col] ? [col]Noise: No[col]?DGB[col]Noise:Yes Ward:No (warded by elvis)[col]Noise:yes [col]Received fetish[col]?Noise:Yes Ward:No (stalked CSL)[col] Murdered CSL [col]?[col]?[col]?

[Magua]

I heard noise last night.

Animorph had no night action last night. He had no blood on him, so he didn't try to murder someone n1. I am effectively ruling out him being a murderer, and I see exactly zero reason to lynch him at this point.

The only sticking point is, why would Animorph gain an insanity (in post #1402)? As I understand it, no night action means no night action, so no laundering.

@Animorph

: So where does this insanity coming from? Your #1428 does not make sense.

Chaco is an odd case, but I think he's pro-town. I really people would stop picking Taboo: Launder. Taboo: Launder is a really, really, really good excuse for being bloody all the time, and for fast-tracking it as a murderer. We do not want to encourage people to be bloody. Stop doing this. It's scummy.

That being said, I don't see Chaco picking Psychopathy after seeing three successful murders beforehand, and someone setting out to go murderer would've stalked n0 and killed n1, not stalked n1 and killed n2.

kunkstar7: There's precedence for the claim that Percy would allow someone to change Psychopathy for something else (SlySly did exactly this when he replaced into SA 1). It explains the rescusitate on Hayker with Animorph being not bloody. I am inclined to believe the claim that Drench stalked/attempted-to-murder-Adel. I'm undecided on whether kunkstar7 is a murderer or not.

@kunkstar7:

What are your other insanities? What did you do last night?

@Ellibereth:

How is your survival instinct now that CSL has been lynched? You still requesting to be lynched?

We have six bodies to rob tonight -- the five who are dead, and our lynchee. We have 3-5 murderers on the loose who stalked last night, and we can stop up to three of them. I nominate:
- dramonic robs Icerint, Katy
- Ellibereth robs CSL, Phate
- kunkstar robs startransmission, lynchee-to-be-named

[Wickedestjr]

Continuing on from where I left off...

DrippingGoofball

- Nicodemus doesn't comment on DGB once apart from giving a neutral read on her. DGB doesn't make any comments about Nicodemus but votes him twice. This could be seen as supporting the bandwagon without actually bringing anything new to the table regarding it which could be a reason to believe she is a buddy. After looking into it, I am leaning just slightly towards scum.

Neutral/Scum

Ellibereth

- Nicodemus doesn't comment on Ellibereth at all and calls him neutral also. Ellibereth talks about Nicodemus a little bit though. He calls one of his posts "scummy as hell" and votes him. Then he votes for Iecerint and then startransmission without giving reasons. May be a coincidence, but he gives a reason for a Nicodemus vote, but doesn't give reasons for the Iecerint or startransmission votes. Later he ends up voting Nicodemus without giving reasons though, so I don't know if this is a good point. I also have to consider that Ellibereth had Nicodemus on the list of people that had to die. I am unsure of whether he would have done this if he was Nicodemus's buddy. Overall, I can't make up my mind yet.

Neutral

elvis_knits

- Elvis_knits was one of the main forces resulting in the Nicodemus lynch. Nicodemus attacked elvis once when he was alive and called elvis neutral leaning towards scum because of gut. Overall, it doesn't look like bussing to me.

Town

[Wickedestjr]

@elvis and DGB - What happened to your suspicion of Chaco?

[iLord]

kunkstar7: There's precedence for the claim that Percy would allow someone to change Psychopathy for something else (SlySly did exactly this when he replaced into SA 1). It explains the rescusitate on Hayker with Animorph being not bloody. I am inclined to believe the claim that Drench stalked/attempted-to-murder-Adel. I'm undecided on whether kunkstar7 is a murderer or not.

Wait, Percy let people change their insanities last game? Kunkstar7 wasn't in last game was he?

If this is true, I'm thinking kunkstar's in the clear - there's little point for him to go out and claim the situation if he wanted to stay murderer. Especially in this game, I'm inclined to think that scum would rather just stay quiet rather than risk making up stuff in this game unless they have to.

I'll agree with dramonic and Ellibereth. I don't think kunkstar should be one though, but I'm not sure who would replace him.

Good point on Ani:

Percy, if a player loses his night action due to three Insanity Infractions, does that player gain an insanity automatically that night?