Ojanen wrote:Fishy wrote:She doesn't commit to a stance on the pops lynch - but I understand that; I certainly wouldn't says pops was obvscum.
But you were stacking up cases against him. Do you mean not obvscum from general expected average scummer perspective or how?
I didn't find pops obvscum - and I can see why people wouldn't share my middlingly strong scumread on him. It's not my experience that my arguments are so compelling that all town players tend to fall in line.
evilsnail wrote:Fishy: his pops vote looked like a bus, regardless of the fact that it steered attention away from my wagon. And he was late to the ABR wagon, which seems to mostly have been town-driven.
Why does my pops vote "look like a bus"? I think neither in position nor in substance does it look like a bus.
By the time I voted for ABR, he was dead. Here is how his wagon went:
p37: Albert B. Rampage ( 6 ) gayle DrippingGoofball elvis_knits farside22 popsofctown CSL
Here, ABR is already at L-2. There are no other plausible candidates for a lynch (although a few people try to make CSL happen), and we have two days left.
At this point, for setup reasons, I advocate a temporary unvote from someone. DGB obliges. Also, I say that I have gut town read on ABR, and will only vote him in a deadline situation.
p38: U2 lynches. At this point, there is about 24 hours until deadline. The next best wagon (CSL) has three votes - ABR has 5, plus an effective vote from DGB. ABR is dead.
I then cast my vote, to get a lynch before deadline.
Plum does the same.
myk also votes him (saying "let's end this" - which I presume is an "it's deadline" thing).
And you are trying to draw information from these three votes? At this point, it really was just a question of who hammered. My play around here is trying to get a CSL lynch, then voting ABR to get any lynch at all - it's quite clearly not of a scum who sees a town-driven wagon and jumps on it; that was totally unnecessary for the scum.
Last time you made this point, I said briefly that ABR was already the only lynch, and that those votes were bad ones to read anything into. If you were worried about the validity of your case, you would have gone back, and read the game at that point, and realised that your blind votecount analysis comes up with bad results here. Ignoring me totally, and then restating your point later when asked for reads, is not the action of someone who is genuinely trying to find scum.
Things to do: reread Raskol, myk.
