Mini 929: Whedonesque Mafia (Game Over)
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jeromus Goon
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Farside - I just mean that your...well, general literacy has a habit of being substandard. Probably should've kept that'un to myself, but too late now. I simply mean that on occasion, sentence structure eludes you.
And Fate - What the bollocks? Should I form a case on myself for you as well? Seriously, you need to learn to justify your claims. Please give a clear, concise reason as to why I am a better lynch than anyone else? Why am I more suspicious than Starbuck?
KGOYou're just weird. You have so much non-related fluff, pulled a gambit that... well just baffles me. But behind that I don't think you are scum, just individual. - Cliquey to Jeromus In a player description.-
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Azhrei Goon
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[sarcasm]Wow, Fate, your amazing scumhunting skills convince me completely[/sarcasm]
However,Vote: jeromus
Why?
Because he followed me straight away on voting pwnman (putting him at l-1, pre-claiming), piggybacking off my reasoning, he followed me and esurio both a little on Fate, his posting has been mostly humorous with little substance, and he hasn't really contributed much of his material. oh, and he keeps insulting me
However, I sense truth in pwnman's claim. With my quick reading of the wiki page on Lorne, the role makes sense. I'd say he'll probably get NK'd tonight, and I agree with Fate, there's no sense doing the scum's work for them.
Oh, and Fate, I will always, always vote for the scummier lurker over the plain lurker. I think the reasoning there is obvious."He was cooler than Samuel L. Jackson on dope" - Raccon-
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Azhrei Goon
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[sarcasm]Wow, Fate, your amazing scumhunting skills convince me completely[/sarcasm]
However,Vote: jeromus
Why?
Because he followed me straight away on voting pwnman (putting him at l-1, pre-claiming), piggybacking off my reasoning, he followed me and esurio both a little on Fate, his posting has been mostly humorous with little substance, and he hasn't really contributed much of his material. oh, and he keeps insulting me
However, I sense truth in pwnman's claim. With my quick reading of the wiki page on Lorne, the role makes sense. I'd say he'll probably get NK'd tonight, and I agree with Fate, there's no sense doing the scum's work for them.
Oh, and Fate, I will always, always vote for the scummier lurker over the plain lurker. I think the reasoning there is obvious."He was cooler than Samuel L. Jackson on dope" - Raccon-
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Azhrei Goon
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Fate :HAPPY:
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At least we can agree on something Azhrei.
No Jeromus, I didn't ask you to post a case on yourself. You already did with that abysmal player list...
Farside has poor grammar? That's a new one. I'd like to remind you of Rule 16 before you say any more...Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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jeromus Goon
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My insults on you ARE my material, and the best I have! XD.
But really - I can get that, I'll admit, my play in this has been mainly wagoning. In fact, it's bothered me just as much - I guess tells are just far more obvious back in the newbie games; But as expressed in my post earlier - I have many neutral reads, with very little to go on. Also - Azhrei, I jumped on that wagon because I thought that a lynch D-1 was better than no lynch. Last I checked, that was the general rule, was it not?
Also - Fate - I imagine that you'll follow Azhrei's case here, since I didn't supply that which you wanted. And so, I have something for you.
Vote:Fate
Did you like it? I wrapped it up all purdy!
I find your methods of placing votes suspicious. It seems a mighty fine way of pretending you have a case when you're simply leeching off of other's reasoning. Gah.You're just weird. You have so much non-related fluff, pulled a gambit that... well just baffles me. But behind that I don't think you are scum, just individual. - Cliquey to Jeromus In a player description.-
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Azhrei Goon
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Azhrei Goon
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jeromus Goon
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And it was a comment. Just as my comments on Vaya earlier in the game were merely that. It's not necessarily related to suspicion or scumminess, but it is a comment. So
Also -Hot damn - Now it looks like an OMGUS, cause you were all "IMA POST WHEN YOU'S NOT LOOKING".
I'm sure that's EXACTLY your tone of voice whilst saying things such as that.You're just weird. You have so much non-related fluff, pulled a gambit that... well just baffles me. But behind that I don't think you are scum, just individual. - Cliquey to Jeromus In a player description.-
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jeromus Goon
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And - Put in more effort? I am confused as to your meaning. I had a neutral read - Implying that I had naught to criticise or target. Please explain what it is that you mean?You're just weird. You have so much non-related fluff, pulled a gambit that... well just baffles me. But behind that I don't think you are scum, just individual. - Cliquey to Jeromus In a player description.-
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Fate :HAPPY:
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Jeromus, that's nothing new. You should have voted me in the last post, where in your whole list of players of people that were neutral, and pwnman who you were unsure of, etc.
I was the only player that was "high on your scumdar" yet you didn't even vote me until I voted you.
Play being frustrating does not make me scummy. You'll have to have better reasons than my "make a case on yourself" post to ES, which I have yet to do again with another player (apparently no one but Iam sees the town reasoning behind this).
I have taken strong stances throughout the game, as opposed to you who have merely bandwagoned (self-admitted).Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
"Fate you keep alternating between narratives of doing it for fun and doing it for the sake of winning"-
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Azhrei Goon
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You've done very little in the way of introducing new things, and seeing as you had neutral reads on everyone, that implies that they've either posted nothing that brings upon townie or scum in your eyes, or that they've posted a roguh balance of both. Surely, with further investigation on minor points, or rereading of certain players, you could've helped to either confirm them as either town or scum in your own eyes?
I know that wouldn't work for everyone, but I think it'd be worthwhile at least for a few players. I've been getting a lot of neutral reads too, but I have been endeavouring to get better reads on people (such as Vaya and Starbuck just recently). And hell, it even worked for Starbuck."He was cooler than Samuel L. Jackson on dope" - Raccon-
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Azhrei Goon
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Fate :HAPPY:
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jeromus Goon
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But Fate, that was because I believed we needed a lynch. As I said, getting a lynch at all is generally a good idea, and I believe that both you and Pwnman are good candidates for such a thing. Before, I was expecting that a Pwnman lynch was the only way that such a thing would be accomplished - As you may have noticed, Pwnman has become considerably less voted; so I was now free to post my opinion.
And - AGAIN, I must say that it does not make you scummy to be frustrating, just as it does not make Farside scummy to have poor grammar. And it was not just that one time - You place your vote on me, saying it is self-explanatory. Deja Vu, huh?You're just weird. You have so much non-related fluff, pulled a gambit that... well just baffles me. But behind that I don't think you are scum, just individual. - Cliquey to Jeromus In a player description.-
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Azhrei Goon
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Fate :HAPPY:
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Deja vu? It was self-explanatory. Votes often are, or should be. Especially when a post is quoted. It also let Azhrei post his own reasoning for voting you rather than just piggybacking on to me, thus earning town points for him in my eyes.
"We just need a lynch." Agreed. However scum use that reasoning far more often than town just to push a mislynch through. Especially when a pwnman flip is barely going to tell us anything than "oh scum bussed him" or "oh he was bad town" with the former being much more unlikely for reasons I already stated.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
"Fate you keep alternating between narratives of doing it for fun and doing it for the sake of winning"-
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Fate :HAPPY:
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Azhrei you're missing the whole part about how lacking his town list is. He has only one suspect, me, and he doesn't even vote me. He's content with the pwnman lynch that is already in the works, rather than trying to start up a Fate lynch (since I'm scum in his eyes).Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
"Fate you keep alternating between narratives of doing it for fun and doing it for the sake of winning"-
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iamausername Mafia Scum
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Oh man, now I have to follow Fateagain. But seriously, guys:
Do you know why it looked like a pwnman lynch was achievable while a Fate lynch wasn't? Because people like, oh I don't know,jeromus wrote:But Fate, that was because I believed we needed a lynch. As I said, getting a lynch at all is generally a good idea, and I believe that both you and Pwnman are good candidates for such a thing. Before, I was expecting that a Pwnman lynch was the only way that such a thing would be accomplished - As you may have noticed, Pwnman has become considerably less voted; so I was now free to post my opinion.youstopped voting for Fate and started voting for pwnman.
Suggesting that pwnman having lots of votes (a situation whichyouwere partially responsible for) somehow prevented you from speaking your mind is preposterous. You were always free to post your opinion. In fact, you did:
See now, that doesn't look anything like "I'd rather lynch Fate, but that doesn't seem possible". That looks like "I'd rather lynch pwnman, but Fate would be good too". Isn't that odd?jeromus wrote:I agree with Az - Pwnman is the most productive lynch with what we have today - Though Fate is a close silver.
I am so down with this wagon.
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Seven Goon
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Gross misinterpretation. I said I wanted to look into him, how does this bar everyone else? 12 pages of posts, and the guy with the most votes is one of the people with the least posts (more importantly the least content). And me mentioning that I'm going to look at BV warrants me a HoS? Right, that makes perfect sense...Fate wrote:Holy **** 12 pages and the only leads you have are the two with the least posts?
Maybe this is just because it's my first theme game and I'm not used to this kind of roleclaim, and I understand that he is paraphrasing his role PM but the doc part seems like a bit of a stretch to me. Just watcher makes sense, but only scum would have any reason to lie about becoming doc if someone is going to be killed. If anything it seems like it would be a scum role. Watchers would be targetting people who are thought to be scum, and scum would not likely target those same people. Why give the doc role?Fars wrote:Seven why do you not believe pwnman's claim?
Jer's 294 is scummy. So many neutral and town-ish vibes... too easy for scum to hide behind. I also tend to disagree with most of what he said.
I looked in to BV and most of it was useless. I want more from him D2 but I can't see lynching him today as being useful.
Fate, pwn, or jer... Tough call. I'd say Fate is seeming consistent with his crappy scumhunting which suggests it's a playstyle issue, but at least is providing content. pwn has crappy scumhunting and is providing no content but has a crazy-ass claim. I'm waiting for a reply to what I said above before I think about him more. jer may end up being the best way to go all things considered. I don't know if I'll be able to come back before deadline so I'm going toVote: jer. If pwnman is indeed what he claims we may gain valuable information D2."You smell like carnies and grade 9 date night."
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Fate :HAPPY:
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So my crappy scumhunting which netted a vote on Jeromus... the same person you voted... ergo your scumhunting is crappy as well?
DO NOT LIKE.
Also Watchers target people likely to be town, as Watchers see who visits them (unless it is the other kind of watcher that sees if the person actions or not), so yeah...Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
"Fate you keep alternating between narratives of doing it for fun and doing it for the sake of winning"-
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esuriospiritus they/askI Reject Your Corporeality...they/ask
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Bleh. Tried to post this way earlier, and mafiascum was being slow as fuck and I couldn't get it through. Anyway.
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Wow, looks like a lot's happened in a short period of time. I'm not crazy about the idea of a self-proclaimed VI being a power role, but the role and flavour appear to check out, so what else is there to do?
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And now, here's something that'sreallythrowing me for a loop: Fate's last few posts seem, like, ridiculously townie to me. I'm still not a fan of his playstyle, and I haven't forgotten nor entirely dismissed his manner of attack on me and how anti-town parts of it were, but the jumping on Seven's case for not having any suspects other than obvious easy ones thing combined with spearheading the jump to Jeromus while all the while waving his arms like crazy going "LOOK AT HOW QUICKLY THE PWNMAN LYNCH BUILT UP, THIS IS NOT A WAGON ON SCUM" really give me some pause. These things read townie to me because, this close to deadline, Fate could probably just coast along if he was scum, safe in the knowledge that the bandwagon on him dissipated. But no, he's as active as ever, trying to push new leads at the last minute, and, well... I just can't see scum going that far out of their way. I may need to do some re-reading of him now, to see if I can see his previous posts in this different light at all.
Jeromus... a lot of things bothered me about Jeromus' post before I even saw it bothered anyone else. The last minute declaration of, "hey, everyone needs to post their thoughts!" bothers me because this late in the day it's just going to tell scum who is viewed as the most obvtown, aka who they need to kill (if they're going to wifom against shooting pwn by assuming there's another protective role somewhere in the mix). He finds way too many people neutral, -- and here's the thing that really put up a red flag for me -- he says Azh is "aggressive and obnoxious".What?I did a quick iso of Azh to see if there was anything that struck me this way even remotely, and really, other than the whole personal attack on Fate thing, I didn't see anything I would define as such. But what Ihaveseen is what seems to me like a fairly obvtown player. So jeromus saying his close irl friend is being aggressive and obnoxious tells the amateur psychologist in me that Jeromus sees Azh as a threat.
I could go on, dissecting his views on every player, but that was what bothered me most and bothered me before I could be influenced by anyone else's reaction to him, so that's what I'm sticking to for the sake of (relative) brevity.
Bv310's distrust of pwnman's claim even with the easily wikipediable name along with it bothers me. The claim seems rock solid to me, why the doubt casting?
Jeromus' 305 seems like he's throwing in the towel.
iam wins townpoints for digging up and exposing the latter Jeromus quote as evidence. Also, more okay with iam/fate connections now that I'm more okay with Fate in general.
vote: jeromus
upon refreshing the thread (YAY! it's up again) I believe this isL-2. Just so no one can say they didn't realize how close he was to hammer or anything. <_<
(btw, also upon refresh, Seven just kind of regurgitated the last two pages, didn't he? don't like his "hmm, fate, pwn or jer" thing like the fate or pwn wagons are exactly going anywhere. Smells like he's trying too hard to make his vote look more thought out than the rest of his post shows it is -- one sentence on Jer's much-discussed 294 from otherwise fairly wordy Seven? For shame!)-
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At Seven by the way.TonyMontana wrote:The BaM Ruleset: (stolen/modified from Xyl)
1.) Votes must beboldedand at the start of a line. If we don’t see it, we wont count it.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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*givesreally give me some pause
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