Mini 935 -- The Fountainhead (Completed)

[Porkens]

Elton John.

[Porkens]

I think that Zang's reply is either simply flippant or an actual over-reaction.

Please, Zang, answer the question.

Vote: Zang

[Porkens]

I thought you were talking about all the votes an just using mine as an example. And I think it would be a null action because I see nothing particulary scummy or townish about it.

Sorry, I'm not sure I'm getting this. Are you saying that you thought SpyreX was saying that none of the votes were random?

I'm not sure exactly what GM means, either, actually. Please explain your comment, GM.

[Porkens]

I didn't even know he was talking about the random votes not be random, I thought he thought that they were real.

Ok, I understand what you are saying so far. Now, just so I'm sure; Your primary objection to SpyreX's post and vote was that he used

your

vote as an example, instead of one of the others, is that right?

[Porkens]

I didn't even know he was talking about the random votes not be random, I thought he thought that they were real.

Ok, I understand what you are saying so far. Now, just so I'm sure; Your primary objection to SpyreX's post and vote was that he used

your

vote as an example, instead of one of the others, is that right?

no, my objection is that I didn't think he made any sence.

I'm not following this. He must have made

some

sense, since you had a very pointed reaction (in which you asked him why he focused on your vote over the others). Can you be a little more specific?

You also said he contradicted himself. I still don't understand this; could you explain it?

Finally, I'm not sure I can believe you about being confused over which votes were in question, since you said "

it

was meant to be a random vote " before you said "I thought he was talking about all the votes." I think it's pretty clear you thought that Spy was challenging your vote, specifically.

[Porkens]

@horror- Do you have anything constructive to add to the discussion aside form your enjoyment of bandwagons?

Do you think GM is being constructive?

[Porkens]

Elbow Drop DDD

[Porkens]

Vote: horrordude0215

Because bandwagons are full of win!

[Porkens]

That's how I read it. That said, I'm unwilling to push his wagon any further because I know that I've done this in the past as town (and I don't want to be a part of a day 1 quicklynch),

So would you be voting for Almaster if he had less votes? (i.e is he your scummiest).

Hey guys,

crypto

here.


Yeah I'd prob sling him a vote. I'm nowhere near suspicious enough to lynch though.

Why are you renaming yourself crypto? Do you expect us to call you that?

[Porkens]

OH. Sorry, I thought you had renamed yourSELF.

unvote, Vote: Horror

[Porkens]

That post was weak?

Que? Thats probably one of the better posts this game.

Are you guys gunna start fighting?

My vote doesn't move.

[Porkens]

Cruelty reads simply as overcautious to me. If AGM flips scum at some point, or if there's a lot more opposition to an AGM lynch from cruelty, then I'll remember these last couple pages.

Too many VLAs at the moment to play the game, but I'm still on for lynching Horror or Zang

[Porkens]

Vote: Horror

said he'd be back tomorrow.

Does this strike anyone else as bizzare?

[Porkens]

I guess for me it's a matter of intonation failing over the internet.

Is the vote a punishment for not being back early?

I don't see the point of leaving the wagon just to rejoin it with no interstitial changes.

[Porkens]

unvote; Vote Zang

Let's just get this one over with.

[Porkens]

I WAS waiting for him to defend himself but NOW I'm waiting for his replacement. Nobody genneraly look like scum. Horror was the only one who made me think scum but that could just be because of life so if his replacement is just as bad then there's a good chance he might be scum. And i didn't ask him because he shouldn't need questions to be able to defend himself.

This post fails in so many ways. So you are basically saying that in the 8 posts Horror placed in this game (including RVS) that you have decided he is the only scummy person so far this game? Is there a reason you are unwilling to look elsewhere and are content to just sit and wait around for Horror's replacement to...to...to what exactly? Stick his/her foot in his/her mouth so you can hopefully start a wagon that isn't yours? You complain about Horror not defending himself, but I don't much a defense from you either. Doesn't that seem a little contradictory to you?

If we had less time till deadline, I would agree with Porkens. That being said, we have far too much time left till deadline to just "get this one over with".

Porkens: Please explain to me how getting this one over with 3.5 weeks before deadline helps town. Please explain to me how we can gain no further information than we currently have now by waiting till closer to deadline.

FoS: Porkens

I think that long day-1s are detrimental to the town.

I didn't say that we would "gain no further information than we currently have now by waiting closer to the deadline," and I feel like you are putting words in my mouth there.

I've got absolutely no interest in adding 3.5 more weeks to this day 1.

Zang is the poster-child of good day 1 lynches; let's move.

[Porkens]

Immediately; I've heard enough.

With a guy like Zang, you either lynch them right away, or you give them a free pass 'till the end of the game.

I would also be fine with lynching Horror today, but I'm assuming no one else (except maybe Spy) would be willing to do that until this mythical replacement shows up.

[Porkens]

Just to be clear, I'd probably be "fine" with lynching almost anyone today.

I'd like to lynch Zang because I think, scum or not, we're better off with him out of the game.

I'd like to lynch Horror because...

his first 4 posts are content, so those are the only one's I care about. His unvote "because we were out of RVS" was incredibly late, as his VOTE wasn't even in RVS. He said his vote was "random" and "a joke vote" when it was clearly neither.

I'm sorry for his family's situation, but when you take the appeal to emotion out of the picture, you see someone who went 4/4 scummy posts, went VLA, promised a re-read, and replaced out.

I say we lynch the player, not the slot. There's no reason to hold Horrors actions against his replacement, but there is also no possible way the new player can redeem Horror's actions.

[Porkens]

I deleted and rewrote that line about 4 times, trying to convey my precise meaning. Fail.

I mean that we lynch the player on his own merit. Horror, considering the entirety of his play, discounting any future play by his replacement, no matter how townish, is lynchable, to me. We don't wait for someone to redeem the slot, we lynch the player who was scummy.

[Porkens]

There's method to Zang's madness.

What? Defend this statement.

[Porkens]

I'll buy that.

But

I'd rather have less flailing and fire and there is always the chance that this is scum legitimately flailing around on fire.

[Porkens]

Unvote; Vote: Horror

He's posting in other games but not this one.

[Porkens]

In actuality miller is a terrible claim but that doesn't change the pure, albeit silly, thought process in 225.

I just can't get on board with you on this one. I want to, but I can't.



It's Miller time.


If I were vig, I'd shoot SpyreX.

[Porkens]

Back. I'll make a larger post later, but going off a quick read, I'm totally ready for hammertime on DeathSauce. Are you?

Scum.

If you wanted to hammer quick, you would have done in that post. But you don't have the nuts to throw down hard, because your afraid of the suspicion. Your asking permission to quickhammer. I litterally can't think of something scummier at the moment.

God, but that means your not scum WITH him, or you'd bus the hell out of him with a hammer.

So... I'm completely expecting a 3rd party flip from Miller, and a /pre-in to vote for AMG tomorrow.

[Porkens]

Back. I'll make a larger post later, but going off a quick read, I'm totally ready for hammertime on DeathSauce. Are you?

Scum.

If you wanted to hammer quick, you would have done in that post. But you don't have the nuts to throw down hard, because your afraid of the suspicion. Your asking permission to quickhammer. I litterally can't think of something scummier at the moment.

God, but that means your not scum WITH him, or you'd bus the hell out of him with a hammer.

So... I'm completely expecting a 3rd party flip from Miller, and a /pre-in to vote for AMG tomorrow.

That said I give you permission to quick-hammer.

[Porkens]

I just can't get on board with you on this one. I want to, but I can't.



It's Miller time.


If I were vig, I'd shoot SpyreX.

*notices that Porkens didn't unvote*

Um, what is it that can't you get on board with?

I can't get on board with the idea that Zang is Lawful Good. I have no interest in unvoting. have I expressed some?

[Porkens]

End of Day Thoughts:

Cruelty - Please let MW2 stand for Mech Warrior 2. And what the hell, I was braying for blood just as much as SpyreX.

SpyreX - I can't believe you used "frakking" in a ... well, ever, really. And for christ's sake you'll start other doing it. Just stop.

d3x - Posting to say that you are going to post is one of the scummiest things in my book. FOS YOU.




Vig - shoot Zang. Be a hero.

Cop - Investigate Kthx. Dangerous Scum / Valuable asset.

Scum - Kill Zang, just to be sure.



From my point of view, if DS flips 3rd party, AGM gets lynched tomorrow.

[Porkens]

No reason not to go with this as everything sits.

Vote: DDD

AGM: Full claim now.

This would be your move.

[Porkens]

Cop claimed, got scum lynched, and didn't die.

Wellllll huh.

Anyway, I'm assuming the mafia didn't have TWO roleblockers, soooo AMG, what's up?

[Porkens]

I'm a tad confused here, Kthx. I thought your reason for saying "maybe he's not a cop" was perfectly obvious (see Zang 318, of all things), but when pressed you avoided the questions and just repeated repeating that you weren't Rolefishing. In fact, you go so far as to attack the person that said you were rolefishing. Makes me think you actually

were

Rolefishing.

Vote: Kthx

However, D3x, why didn't you accuse me of rolefishing?

[Porkens]

My bad then. Did not look at time hacks.

Modified question then. Do you think d3x was justified in his light RoleFishing note on me before I clarified p308?

I took this as an unspoken FOS. I might have missinterpreted.

I'll let dx answer the rest.

[Porkens]

We're going to earn enough "days ended early" points to buy a new walkman!

Hmmm, no one is going to get that reference. oh well.

[Porkens]

Dx, Kthx asked if your accusation of rolefishing was "justified." That's what made me read "attack"

But that's really minor, the point is that Kthx response should have been, when you accused him of rolefishing:

A: What is rolefishing?
B: Mafia could have no-killed / Doc save / etc.

but not:

"I'm not rolefishing, why do you say I'm rolefishing, hey guys can you believe he said I was rolefishing? Guys?"

[Porkens]

RC yesterday was slurping my nuts, which gives me a naughty feeling in his direction.

I believe the vig claim until further notice.

You can also blame me for suggesting the Zang murder, if you like.

Vote RC

[Porkens]

It's between RC and Fate for me.

I'm voting, why aren't you?

Let's go.

[Porkens]

I think the scum are staying off the wagons. Look at the DDD lynch

[Porkens]

Vote: Nolynch

I join the scum with this vote. But it's the right thing to do <vomit>

[Porkens]

because I hate nolynch

[Porkens]

unvote, vote: no lynch

[Porkens]

Claim:

Well, my dude has no name, and no powers.

[Porkens]

echo:

...llo?

[Porkens]

I imagine this was probably purposeful, to have me and Porkens come up without names.

For whom was is purposeful?

I have a vote in mind.

I am waiting for Fate, too.

[Porkens]

On the topic of Names:

No one, except for dx, has claimed a name (correct?). I'm guessing that names are being assigned POST death. From the fiasco early today, I believe DX is lynchable. Red also has an important interaction or two in this fiasco.

Red, please do answer my question about the purposefulness of our lack of names.

On the topic of JOATs and Watchers:

I have a couple questions for AGM:

1. Would you know if you had been shot at?

Commute

2. What does this power do?

[Porkens]

You made yourself BP. And there was no death that night. AGM, what else could have happened since scum didn't visit you (per my results)?

This is making insanely good sense to me.



RC: I'm still lost. What would be the point of just you and me not having names?

[Porkens]

Ummm. Ok. Is that a giving up post or what?

vote: d3x

[Porkens]

For me its wasnt the name thing, it was the active give-up post

[Porkens]

Vote: RedCoyote

Officially pending other info, but I'm pretty fine with this.

[Porkens]

Aw heck, you guys convinced me.

unvote

Vote: AlmasterGM

Thhe no kill night 2 really sealed it for me. I hope this is right.

[Porkens]

Oh thank goodness, I know that all may have looked planned, but, Jesus, I was just trying to recover from my epic screw-up.

I didn't tell my partner that I didn't have a name, even though I thought I had. So dx3 actually had no clue WTF I was doing when I claimed no name (or maybe you did? Was that like a reverse bus?).

It worked out, everyone seemed to think I was town after that, but I think if that hadn't happened, and we'd actually planned to claim no-names the night before, we could have gotten a misslynch that day.

At any rate, it was a fun game!

Oh, and...

Do you believe Almaster is a JOAT with a BP vest who hasn't been shot despite two nights with no kills or do you believe he's scum?

I lol'd.

[Porkens]

Yeah, that nightkill was a major brainfart.

[Porkens]

The way the watcher is worded there, I could see it being ambiguous, depending on what "visit" means to the writer/reader.

That would be a good MD question: "Do you think watchers should be able to see people who target themselves?"

I don't know what "being on the greylist" means, but I'm glad there were no modkills. At no point did I see what was quoted. In general I thought the modding was well above average (timeliness, prompt nights/days).

[Porkens]

I was happy with how you handled the situations. I don't remember, or didn't see, DDD's postmortem post. However, from what I did see, I don't think the infractions themselves had an influence on the game one way or the other. Mod-kills certainly would have. So, ultimately, you reminded us of the rules, punished a couple of offending players, but did so without unduly influencing the game. Yes, I would say you handled it well.