Mini 935 -- The Fountainhead (Completed)

[Zang]

Mango

[Zang]

played with quite a few of you before i see

Vote:Cruelty

for not reading the rules

[Zang]

Oooou:

Lets play pretend that these votes have some meaning.

Why would "not reading the rules" be a scumtell?

why would "capitalizing names that shouldn't be capitalized" be a scum tell?

Or

voting for someone "before he shoots someone"

Or

your vote about GM=Game Master


Your contradicting yourself
There just random voted

[Zang]

What?

I... what?

There's a difference there. See, the comment was already made about "not reading the rules" and that is just silly enough that it COULD have been at least a quasi-serious rationale for the vote.

So, like I said: lets assume it was - would "not reading the rules" be a scumtell?

That was a whole lot of words missing the point of what I was asking.

Did... did I catch a live one?

it was meant to be a random vote

[Zang]

it was meant to be a random vote

I think everyone knows that it was a random Vote.

I believe Spyrex is asking "Would not reading the rules be a Scumtell to you?" He's pretty clear on that, and I gotta say, your reactions is really weird.

ok, I was confused on what he was saying

but no, not reading the rules is not a scumtell. How can it be? It does not help the scum in any way.

[Zang]

My lie detector just started beeping like crazy.

Why?

What was confusing about what I was saying?

And we're almost to the point I'm dancing around - is "not reading the rules" a null action or actually, as silly as it may seem, a townish one

I thought you were talking about all the votes an just using mine as an example. And I think it would be a null action because I see nothing particulary scummy or townish about it.

[Zang]

I thought you were talking about all the votes an just using mine as an example. And I think it would be a null action because I see nothing particulary scummy or townish about it.

Sorry, I'm not sure I'm getting this. Are you saying that you thought SpyreX was saying that none of the votes were random?

I'm not sure exactly what GM means, either, actually. Please explain your comment, GM.

I didn't even know he was talking about the random votes not be random, I thought he thought that they were real.

[Zang]

I didn't even know he was talking about the random votes not be random, I thought he thought that they were real.

Ok, I understand what you are saying so far. Now, just so I'm sure; Your primary objection to SpyreX's post and vote was that he used

your

vote as an example, instead of one of the others, is that right?

no, my objection is that I didn't think he made any sence.

[Zang]

I didn't even know he was talking about the random votes not be random, I thought he thought that they were real.

Ok, I understand what you are saying so far. Now, just so I'm sure; Your primary objection to SpyreX's post and vote was that he used

your

vote as an example, instead of one of the others, is that right?

no, my objection is that I didn't think he made any sence.

I'm not following this. He must have made

some

sense, since you had a very pointed reaction (in which you asked him why he focused on your vote over the others). Can you be a little more specific?

You also said he contradicted himself. I still don't understand this; could you explain it?

Finally, I'm not sure I can believe you about being confused over which votes were in question, since you said "

it

was meant to be a random vote " before you said "I thought he was talking about all the votes." I think it's pretty clear you thought that Spy was challenging your vote, specifically.

Look at this

Lets play pretend that these

votes

have some meaning.

votes, plural meaning more than one vote. I did say that it was a random vote but before that I said this-

There just random voted

I meant they're which is also plural.

And I only said that it is a random vote after he posted again explaining that the post was directed at me.


As to the contradicting, like I explained I thought that he was addresing all random votes but he made a random vote himself.

[Zang]

Zang- How is what I wrote different from what SpyreX wrote? Why did you 'get it' when I wrote almost exactly what SpyreX wrote?

you explained what he was asking me and that it was specified toward me.

[Zang]

Zang, why the overreactions?

how am i overreacting?

The way i see it, everyone else is overreacting about a simple random vote.

[Zang]

Revote: Almaster

Agreed that Zhang is a sad sack. Just meta the poor guy.

you misspell my name and call me a sad sack

I like Budja's catch that AGM out and out called Zang a liar, but that wasn't good enough reason to vote for him.

I do not think this is much of a scum tell but instead a sign of a careful townie.

B) He's pandering to someone pressuring him, it doesn't feel like he's voting because he thinks it's the right thing to do (or he would've done it before) but instead because he wants to appease the person voting him.

I think that this is some heavy speculation

And who doesn't like them?

personnaly, I love three musketeers! They're my favorite candy

I don't think any of the reason's for either wagon are good enough for a lynch or my vote for that matter.

this is exactly how I feel about the Almaster wagon.

[Zang]

Sorry, someone I play with on another site is Zhang. At least I didn't vote for you?

actually, you are not the first person to call me that.


And

Unvote

I forgot that I still had my vote on him

[Zang]

Dex: Do you feel that when someone gets defensive about an accusation, it's most likely a scum-tell or is there something different about Zang's over-reaction that makes it more scummy than if he were a townie over-reacting. Basically, what about his reaction made it more likely coming from scum over town in your opinion?

His posts don't quite add up, imo.

I don't buy his claim that he didn't realize SpyreX was asking him directly or what his question was. I believe he was being very direct in his line of questioning and even clarified a few times. When SpyreX reiterated the question as...

would "not reading the rules" be a scumtell?

Zang's answer was...

it was meant to be a random vote

Then after I asked, Zang responded...

you

{d3x}

explained what he was asking me and that it was specified toward me.

This was odd to me because I just wrote the exact same thing SpyreX did, adding "to you."

To sum up, I feel that he's being dishonest and all of this started before any real pressure came down on him. It was only after the pressure started building that he 'got it'.

Bonus- I'm also really not liking horror right about now.

Bonus x2-

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

Khorne is so unbelievably over-rated.

once again, I even said that "they're random votes" after he said that then I said "it was a random vote" when I was addressed more directly.

[Zang]

@Zang: Ok we get it, you're over-defensive. Can you start looking for scum now?

actually horrorclooks pretty bad to me, he hasn't contributed to almost anything all game, but I can understand what he is going through so I won't vote for him until he can defend himself.

[Zang]

'Sudden change on Zang' was also explained in my post but I'll clarify if it wasn't clear for you. Zang has more (quantity) post that strike me the wrong way than I had previously thought. I re-read everything and certain things stuck out to me during the reread than stood out to me before. The only reason Zang is number 2 right now is due to more quantity of his post vs the quantity of cruel's posts. Zang has more post that strike me the wrong way, but cruelty's flat out lie (the way I see it anyway) means more than the possible misunderstanding of Zang's posts.

what's wrong with my quantity of posts?

Here is a list of players and there total nUmber of posts-

Almaster-6
Budja-10
Cruelty-5
D3x-9
DDD-4
Fate-10
Horrordude-6
Kthx-6
porkens-10
Redcoyote-4
Spyrex-14
Zang-14

As you can see Spyrex has posted just as much as me and I believe that a low quantity of posts is better than a high quantity.

[Zang]

My thinking is this: AGM in my mind was at L3. If I put him at L2, then it just takes one gimp to come bumbling along and vote him (and I'm very conscious that Zang is in the game), then scum can quickly hammer, getting 2 chances to knock off town assets + gaining the benefit of town going into day2 essentially blind. I don't really want that to happen; I might be naively optimistic but I'm holding out hope that we'll happen upon a relatively sure thing rather than lynching someone based on weak reasoning which is the inevitable hallmark of a day 1 lynch.

This is assuming that AGM is not scum but i do believe that your explaination makes sence.

I'm totally that guy: horror really needs to post or get a replacement (I'd prefer the latter before it goes nutso).

calm down, he still has time left on his V/LA

[Zang]

Zang- Who is Scum?

I already answered this

actually horrorc looks pretty bad to me, he hasn't contributed to almost anything all game, but I can understand what he is going through so I won't vote for him until he can defend himself.

[Zang]

@Zang- Are you waiting for something? I'm only assuming that it's horror to return and/or replace out, but do you have any ScumHunting you'd like to do today?

well he's back so if I was waiting there is no longer a need to.

[Zang]

Zang: p161. He's back. IF you were waiting on him, what are you waiting for now? Do you not have any questions for him? He even posted that he would be looking for questions his way. What are you waiting for? Him to post something scummy so you can jump all over it? I can no longer ignore your play style. Explain your thoughts and reasons for your last few posts. Namely, explain what you are waiting for Horror to say/answer, why you haven't questioned him since you seem to have tunnel vision, and why you didn't address your mis-read of my quality/quantity post.

I WAS waiting for him to defend himself but NOW I'm waiting for his replacement. Nobody genneraly look like scum. Horror was the only one who made me think scum but that could just be because of life so if his replacement is just as bad then there's a good chance he might be scum. And i didn't ask him because he shouldn't need questions to be able to defend himself.

[Zang]

So many peopl critcized my post I can't quote them all, so here's RCs-

I don't really like this either. This whole train of thought sounds convoluted, to be perfectly honest. Are you making it up as you go along? The way I read this is, "I don't find anyone to be very scummy except for Horror. Please don't hold me to this though, because I am unsure if my feelings are compromised by his real life situations. Maybe if he gets replaced I will re-read him for scumminess, but he should be able to defend himself without me asking it!"

I'm serious, in many of the few games I've been in (including this one), I see people randomly accusing people of being scum and they make up scum tells. Many of theese "scum tells" are actually null or even town. For example, Cruelty was accused of lieing but no matter how good the reasoning is, (not) reading the rules is a null tell. I find real scum that kill townies like possibly horror/deathsauce (and welcome!) and I have to admit that if I was one of you I would be tempted to vote for myself.


And deathsauce

Miller claim screams of last minute defense of an otherwise irreparable situation.

Vote:DeathSauce

[Zang]

Ha! That's one hell of a welcome!

Explain exactly why I'm scum, but this time use your own words instead of hiding behind someone else's reasoning.

I don't think anyone pointed it out (it's pretty obvious) but miller is the perfect scum claim because if a cop investigates him the cop would assume that he got a guilty result because you are a miller.

[Zang]

Posts like that are ridiculous. All he did was give us the definition of a Miller!

Obviously, Miller is not the ideal scum claim because it is just too perfect. Welcome to WIFOM.

And that Is the obvious responce to a Vote about a miller claim and so on.

[Zang]

Ha! That's one hell of a welcome!

Explain exactly why I'm scum, but this time use your own words instead of hiding behind someone else's reasoning.

I don't think anyone pointed it out (it's pretty obvious) but miller is the perfect scum claim because if a cop investigates him the cop would assume that he got a guilty result because you are a miller.

Are you not reading all the posts? This was already addressed. Spyre laughed at this and I already said exactly what you said here....except much earlier...I do not understand how you can make comments like this yet read all the posts...please explain how you missed it and thought you were the first one to bring it up.

you explained that it was not smart to claim miller and that the cop(if there is one) shouldn't waist an investigation him, I explained the link between this and scum.

[Zang]

I will be V/LA from Friday (tomorow) to mid Sunday

I'm here for today though so I will probably post something later

[Zang]

...cruelty why did you hammer?

[Zang]

SpyreX - I can't believe you used "frakking" in a ... well, ever, really. And for christ's sake you'll start other doing it. Just stop.

he did?!

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 56&start=0

While I approve of your example KK's frakking prescient claim and subsequent mauling also needs to be an example of millers must die.

He Actually Did! Go SpyreX!

[Zang]

Vote:DDD

I'm willing to trust almaster

[Zang]

Newb moment-

Yes! My first time ever in day 3!

[Zang]

agreed

[Zang]

I was agreeing with budja

(d3x and my post where 1 min apart)

[Zang]

I

My bad then. Did not look at time hacks.

Modified question then. Do you think d3x was justified in his light RoleFishing note on me before I clarified p308?

I thought he was accusing you of rolefishing because of your post 308, but no I don't think you were rolefishing, I believe that you were explaining that there are different possibilities other than him being a cop.

[Zang]

He is you

[Zang]

Post 311 was agreeing with budja not you.

[Zang]

Well, good game scum.

[Zang]

i'm just glad to have finally got the chance to nk someone after months of playing this game.

ps: rc you gotta end this vendetta you got against me, i aint done no crimes.

pps: sorry zang. you still my boy.

I'm just glad I got that far, I never made it past day two until this game.