Mini 933: LRCM - Broken, restart running in new thread

[DTMaster]

Did Kai take a page from Tar's notes? You remind me of Alice in Wonderland.

[danakillsu]

Miles is wrong. The mods aren't playing in this game. But I'd like to hear what his "relationship" to them is, since it was apparently in his PM. The wagon on me is sad, considering what they have on me. But this latest statement by Miles irks me, so I'll

unvote (not sure that was necessary, but whatever)
vote: Miles

[SocioPath]

I find it plausible.
Based on the person modding the game.
It isn't entirely unlikely.

[DTMaster]

@Dana/Socio

You can vote the mod. However experience says 9/10 its a red herring.

[SocioPath]

Experience in GENERAL, or experience with THIS MOD?
I think that question is key.

[danakillsu]

I know you can vote the mod, but I don't think that's what Miles means, and I don't think it's a good idea, as it's a waste of a day.

[MilesPrower]

Miles is wrong. The mods aren't playing in this game. But I'd like to hear what his "relationship" to them is, since it was apparently in his PM. The wagon on me is sad, considering what they have on me. But this latest statement by Miles irks me, so I'll

unvote (not sure that was necessary, but whatever)
vote: Miles

Mister Dana this is EXTREMELY scummy.
I gave information directly from my role PM.
I cannot quote it directly or I will be modkilled.

What exactly gives you reason to say "Miles is wrong. The mods aren't playing this game?" I don't see you give any reason why I'm wrong.

You go on to ask for information I've already given.
I paraphrased in post 249:
"I have been told that the mods ARE players in the game."
This is the information I have received nothing more.

Also:
"This latest statement irks me?"
That shouldn't warrant more than a FoS

This entire post is vague and gives no real reason you should be voting for me.

Vote: Mister Dana

I wouldn't recommend screaming OMGUS at that sir.

@Mister DT: You could be right but I'm not sure why the mod would put that in my PM for no apparent reason.

[MilesPrower]

Experience in GENERAL, or experience with THIS MOD?
I think that question is key.

^this. THIS this this this.

[Seven]

Not sure who suggested we kill the mod, but it's a stupid idea. Since when do we skip D1 and just kill the mod? Even if the mod is relevent and a player in this game, we should treat him like any other player ie lynch him if we have a reason to.

On dana: wouldn't lynch him just yet. He seems to be playing to what I know of his town-meta right now (though I guess I don't know his scum-meta).

I'm sorry I haven't posted before now. I've read everything but I need to go through it again until I can comment on MPs claim.

[SocioPath]

There is also the:

Miles is wrong. The mods aren't playing in this game.

all out denying that its possible, straight to the

But I'd like to hear what his "relationship" to them is, since it was apparently in his PM.

role fishing based on that it might be possible.

Either you don't believe Miles, and vote him.
Or you do believe him, and ask for more.
You cant have it both ways.
"OH I DON'T BELIEVE A WORD YOU SAID, BUT TELL ME MORE."

The wagon on me is sad, considering what they have on me.

This sounds like the classic "you are lynching me for the wrong reasons" scum tell.

I think I'll move my vote for now, but the glory of the EdFrost posts still makes me ravenously hungry to pounce on.

Unvote
Vote: Dan A Kill Su

[MilesPrower]

Not sure who suggested we kill the mod, but it's a stupid idea. Since when do we skip D1 and just kill the mod? Even if the mod is relevent and a player in this game, we should treat him like any other player ie lynch him if we have a reason to.

On dana: wouldn't lynch him just yet. He seems to be playing to what I know of his town-meta right now (though I guess I don't know his scum-meta).

I'm sorry I haven't posted before now. I've read everything but I need to go through it again until I can comment on MPs claim.

I didn't say we should kill him. Hence my unvote of him earlier.

[MilesPrower]

@ Mister Number Seven Dude:

I don't like meta.

Its like..
If I blamed White Lightning every time a pillow got ripped up, that would be totally unfair. Likewise is Captain Sparky got off the hook because he usually doesn't do that, that is also unfair. I quest for truth! Preconceptions don't help

[Seven]

@MP: If I don't consider his meta, DKU is scummy as hell.

[MilesPrower]

@MP: If I don't consider his meta, DKU is scummy as hell.

I don't. He is.

[SocioPath]

Meta is fine and great.

But if a player is scummy, then regardless of meta, they should be called out on it.

Those that hide behind their past meta and go "its not scummy when I do it, because I always do this" IS A FALLACY.

Regardless of what they claim.
There are even players on this site that have user based titles showing their ineptitude.
And hide behind it.
Because people fail to realize it is in fact a fallacy.
Scummy is scummy.
Regardless of past actions.

[EdFrost]

@Disco: Zaz already explained why she was voting for the mod. If you want to ask her again, be my guest.

Obviously people know something about the mods of this game. With two (and tentatively a third) basically saying that they know something about the mod-players; and since this is "inspired by Tar" it's worth looking at. Why are/were you so against even questioning something that can help us figure out the setup and possibly determine the best course of action is later on?

@Miles/Zazie: Do you know anything about the alignment of the mods, any benefits/punishments for lynching them? What can you paraphrase about them?

@Seven: The mod knows the setup; and just going on pure motivational basis, they want their game to be fun to watch/play (if they're players). Leading the the town to victory would be a bland way to waste the 3+ months that they've been waiting in the Queue. They have no reason to play nice with us, and if they're actually players it eliminates a third party *that we aren't risking a mislynch on*.

Also, using a one-sided meta is bad. What if dana's scum meta is to be scummy as well? Then her actions would be null and you actually have to look at motivations.

I don't see her motivation for putting a weak town read out there, I don't see a motivation for her attacking Miles, I don't really see much town motivation at all.

[MilesPrower]

@Miles/Zazie: Do you know anything about the alignment of the mods, any benefits/punishments for lynching them? What can you paraphrase about them?

Mister Frosty, I gave all i know. I was honestly only told that they were players, but I was not given more information.

Mister Kai Kai strikes me as a bit of a magnificent bastard, I don't see why he wouldn't have a reason for telling me this.

[DiscoRoboto]

@Disco: Zaz already explained why she was voting for the mod. If you want to ask her again, be my guest

The following players need to explain t heir lack of votes in general:

The following need to state who they think is scum (and why they aren't voting said individual):


modvote = nonvote

[Seven]

@Seven: The mod knows the setup; and just going on pure motivational basis, they want their game to be fun to watch/play (if they're players). Leading the the town to victory would be a bland way to waste the 3+ months that they've been waiting in the Queue. They have no reason to play nice with us, and if they're actually players it eliminates a third party *that we aren't risking a mislynch on*.

Again: If they are players, we should treat them as such and not lynch them until we have a reason to beyond "let's see if anything cool happens"

[MilesPrower]

@Seven: The mod knows the setup; and just going on pure motivational basis, they want their game to be fun to watch/play (if they're players). Leading the the town to victory would be a bland way to waste the 3+ months that they've been waiting in the Queue. They have no reason to play nice with us, and if they're actually players it eliminates a third party *that we aren't risking a mislynch on*.

Again: If they are players, we should treat them as such and not lynch them until we have a reason to beyond "let's see if anything cool happens"

I agree with all of my heart and Mr Chuckle's heart.

[MilesPrower]

EBWOP: Mr. Chuckles'

[UncertainKitten]

Oh, hey, Miles has Alice's note.

I should have figured when both mods had colors that something was up.

Unvote, Vote Dana

Discrediting believable role information. Oh wait, I was already voting him ^-^

May I ask why you know the mods

aren't

playing Dana?

Not sure who suggested we kill the mod, but it's a stupid idea. Since when do we skip D1 and just kill the mod? Even if the mod is relevent and a player in this game, we should treat him like any other player ie lynch him if we have a reason to.

Nine out of ten Tar games. That said, I don't think we need to lynch the mod yet.

On dana: wouldn't lynch him just yet. He seems to be playing to what I know of his town-meta right now (though I guess I don't know his scum-meta).

can you back this up with comparative analysis?

I don't like meta.

Meta has uses, but it's not foolproof. I prefer to combine it with active analysis. In your example, White Lightning has had a history of tearing up pillows, so it is entirely fair to investigate him further while placing less suspicion for the pillow ripping on Captain Sparky. But blaming someone out of hand based PURELY on meta isn't a good idea.

Meta is fine and great.

But if a player is scummy, then regardless of meta, they should be called out on it.

Those that hide behind their past meta and go "its not scummy when I do it, because I always do this" IS A FALLACY.

Regardless of what they claim.
There are even players on this site that have user based titles showing their ineptitude.
And hide behind it.
Because people fail to realize it is in fact a fallacy.
Scummy is scummy.
Regardless of past actions.

I agree that to some extent bad players who hide behind meta need to catch flack for their actions. However, I think completely unqualified lynching will lead to more mislynches then otherwise.

@Seven: The mod knows the setup; and just going on pure motivational basis, they want their game to be fun to watch/play (if they're players). Leading the the town to victory would be a bland way to waste the 3+ months that they've been waiting in the Queue. They have no reason to play nice with us, and if they're actually players it eliminates a third party *that we aren't risking a mislynch on*.

Tarhalindur has the most extensive mod as player game theory. Kai and m_o

have

to be third party. There are ways to make them a killing third party though, so we might want to be careful of that.

Overall, Dana remains scummy, Seven gets a o_O until he backs up his meta, Miles seems alright, Frost is dissipating my scum read of him little by little, SP as always seems awesome (dammit), and I probably don't have enough from the other players.

[Seven]

The game I was referring to (Dana's meta) isn't over yet. I don't mind looking over his finished games though. I'll post that tonight.

[UncertainKitten]

The game I was referring to (Dana's meta) isn't over yet. I don't mind looking over his finished games though. I'll post that tonight.

/me facepalms

One game is NOT enough data to develop a meta of someone out of :S.

[MilesPrower]

The game I was referring to (Dana's meta) isn't over yet. I don't mind looking over his finished games though. I'll post that tonight.

1) One game =/= Meta.
See also: Captain Sparky + White Lightning + Pillows

2) I'm quite sure you can't talk about ongoing games.

That being said, meta isn't substantial enough to prove anything on its own. It works as addition to but I don't think it should dominate.

Its like when I get sprinkles on my cupcake. Its nice, but eating just sprinkles would make me feel stupid