Mafia 109 - A Glitch in time - Game Over!

[Ythan]

Would really rather lynch some of the obvious scum today.

[Haylen]

The Hey! I did another one! Vote Count

Dramonic: Ythan
Nachomamma8: camn, SpyreX, Kmd, Drippereth ~
SpyreX: Anon
Ythan: Pulindar

Not Voting: Parama, Nachomamma8, Starbuck, Maemuki,Yosarian2, Weaboo


Lots of Love,
Hayl xxx

[Drippereth]

Would really rather lynch some of the obvious scum today.

You don't think Nacho is scum ????

[dramonic]

Vote: Nacho

I approve of this wagon

[camn]

Would really rather lynch some of the obvious scum today.

Convince me, then.
Your arguments have been VERY unconvincing.

In fact, I'd like to point this out for you so you can improve your game.

You have fallen into a classic trap: ARGUING WITH SCUM

Here's the deal.. If someone is scum.. there is really no point in discussing it with them. They are never going to fold over and admit it. They are not going to vote

themselves

...

YOU HAVE TO CONVINCE THE REST OF THE TOWN

.
Thus, your argument shouldn't be toward them.. it should be ABOUT them... and directed TOWARD us.
This is the

essence

of an effective case.
Right or wrong, if you can't convince the town.. you can't achieve your desired lynch.
In THIS game, you have an incredible oppourtunity. Drip and I are both town, and we are both

bloodthisty bitches

. Convince either of US someone is scum, and we will choke the life out of them with our own hands.
You also have Yos as prob-town, who is one of the most level-headed players on the site. Convince

HIM

, and you can convince almost anyone.

So far you have failed.

[Ythan]

I don't have Yos as prob-town. I have Yos as not-scum-yet. But ok.

[Yosarian2]

@Yos - what are you waiting for with Dram? A scum flip he's got a result on orrr?

Well, if he's lying, he has to fake a claim every day, which could get him caught if he's wrong or get him semi-confirmed if he nails a scum. And if nothing else, you can often figure out if a gunsmith claim makes sense or not when you do a late-game massclaim. That's not ideal at all if he is scum, of course, and if there's a really strong case on him I'd be willing to lynch him, but right now, I think watching and waiting

Anyway, I agree with camn. I'm not at all convinced by any of Ythan's cases.

The nacho wagon is better; he hasn't done anything to convince me he's protown, really.

[Ythan]

The nacho wagon is better; he hasn't done anything to convince me he's protown, really.

I assume since the second part of this sentence is after a semicolon and not a comma that it's a good wagon for you because he hasn't convinced you he's protown?

[Drippereth]

Ythan, quit delaying that Nacho vote. You know you want to do it. Warm corn chips, salsa, melted cheese... c'mon, dig in.

[Ythan]

I am not convinced and also I already had nachos today.

[SpyreX]

Dear game,

What in the hell?

"Ohh yea SpyreX is totally scum see how he put the vote down today that started this wagon on what really smells of scum pushing but hey that doesn't matter because of ???"

Not to mention the weird disparity between me trying to divert los garbagos off clergy yesterday to dram (who jumping on this baffles me but).

Its like bizarro world game and I don't like it.

I really don't like the amount of not votings we have at this point. I'm pretty confident in that list of slakkers the scums be but the fact that we're not even getting ANYTHING ELSE DONE EXCEPT FOR THE MOST APATHETIC WAGON EVER is bothering me quite a bit.

So, yea, lets get a move on.

[camn]

I am not convinced and also I already had nachos today.

What IS your opinion on Nacho?
I just noticed that you have VERY CAREFULLY avoided giving an opinion.
You said null read in your player-by-player/2
Then you have implied a couple times that he is NOT scummy....

Let's hear it out loud: Is Nacho scum? Are you trying to derail a wagon on your buddy?
Also.. when you said

The rest I have no comment on. I'm not explaining town reads.

Can I take that to mean you had TOWN READS on everyone that you did not comment on?

@ Spyrex: I agree. If we wipe out some lurkers, this will be a better game.

Also

FOS: Parama, Starbuck, Maemuki,Yosarian2, Weaboo

Vote now, please. This game needs an enema.

[Ythan]

I'm not avoiding giving an opinion. This is the first I've seen anyone ask directly what I think of Nacho. Trying to extrapolate that I'm scum off of that is a bit of a stretch. Fact is that I don't get scum vibes from him, and I don't get town vibes from him. There's even less to explain on null players than town ones. I would like to see him post more but with obvious scum in the game I can't support a policy lynch when he's not even lurking anymore as far as I can tell.

[camn]

And the other part?

[Ythan]

Less than 24 hours. He's going to be lynched at deadline anyway.

[Ythan]

Old post should have read that I wasn't explaining town OR null reads.

[Weaboo]

{Kise}

Yeah... so, who'd be surprised if today the Weaboos made another small post right here and now?

*doesn't raise hand*

To expand on why we think Parama bussed Nik, if you remember earlier on Day1, he commented on how he was kind of feeling the Nik wagon, but thinks we all should vote for CSL instead. Well, there was that fake-me-out lynch on Nik where Drip and & questioned why he didn't say "good luck, town" and then there was also a lot of freaking out based on CSL's panicky hammer (oh, so that's why CSL was the kill choice then... brain fart). So, round 2 begins and Parama enters a hammering-mode... Really? Where was that shyt in round 1 is what I want to know.

Who was it that was wondering if I got roleblocked? And, why?!

[Weaboo]

{Kise}

Vote: Nacho

K.

[Ythan]

By the way, on both of the past two days we (players generally) thought we hammered and it turned out to be L-2. Is this a coincidence or something weird?

[camn]

Old post should have read that I wasn't explaining town OR null reads.

OK.
I officially want to request a PROPER Player-by Player from you. Before deadline.
If you have a town or null read, please state which it is. You don't need to explain WHY (though that would help), just WHAT.
Avoiding giving us your reads is anti-town at

best

. I shouldn't have let you get away with a half-assed list earlier.

@ Weaboo. .I want one from you, too. God forbid you die tonight and flip town, and we are left without the glory of your insight!!

[Weaboo]

{Kise}

@Yanni - What's an LJ?

[Ythan]

Denied. I gave you what I'm going to give you today and explained why you're not getting more.

[Ythan]

Live Journal. It's where people whine about things typically.

[Drippereth]

Denied. I gave you what I'm going to give you today and explained why you're not getting more.

Ythan, do it,
Your playstyle is already anti-town enough as it is. We need your reads on every player, neatly typed out in one post, so we don't have to sort through all your posts. Just a list with, "Town", "Scum", "Null (lean town, lean scum)" next to people's names is fine.

[Ythan]

Personal thing, I'm not obliged to go through the trouble of producing anything labor intensive that I just said I'm not doing just because you said do it. Best you're going to get is that my only meaningful town read is you, Drip.