Mafia 110: Mafia in Hell, Michigan (Tied.)

[ace5993]

Analysis is proving to be more difficult than I thought but I'm working on it.

For now,

Vote: horrordude0215

needs to die.

[Ythan]

Horror is so scummy I'm not even going to question that post.

[farside22]

crypto said:

1. Did I say he was clear? Quote me. There's a stark difference between castigating horrordude for saying something ridonkulous—while implying a town shift in my read on Beater—and clearing Beater.
2. He stated his win condition. That smells like paraphrasing. As for discrepancies, don't mods who don't paste VT PMs publicly vary them?

1.

Something tells me that Riddick's daykill was a test on WRP. and needless to say, he failed miserably.

Vote: WRP_Beater

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

He claimed VT

, with what looks like role PM paraphrasing.

Why are you yelling at horror like this then?
2. How do you see his comment as paraphrasing in the least? Can you show a game that is normal that a mod varied VT PM's?


richard stated;

I asked a perfectly legit question, explained why, and claimed a power role. I'm struggling to find this elusive wrongfulness.

Oh yes asking people what they would do with as a cop with a guilty seems so pro-town.
Your explanation looks shifty as hell and now you claimed and haven't done anything worth a damn

I'm just up for whatever the town decides, I never really feel like scumhunting on Day 1.

IE: I'm going to lurk and not make any cases so I don't look scummy? Seriously this is lazy/scum material that makes me want to vote you again.

[Ythan]

I need to review Crypto. Seems to be catching a lot of attention.

[RichardGHP]

Richard stated;

I asked a perfectly legit question, explained why, and claimed a power role. I'm struggling to find this elusive wrongfulness.

Oh yes asking people what they would do with as a cop with a guilty seems so pro-town.

I would like to hear why everyone seems to think the same way you do; isn't weeding out those more concerned with saving their own asses than helping the town GOOD for said town?

I'm just up for whatever the town decides, I never really feel like scumhunting on Day 1.

IE: I'm going to lurk and not make any cases so I don't look scummy? Seriously this is lazy/scum material that makes me want to vote you again.

Wrong.

If I tried to scumhunt on Day 1, I would not do a very good job of it, so I think it's best if I start doing it once I am forced to due to lack of players remaining. Scumhunting on Day 1 is lost on me, I literally can't do it, unless anyone CC's a PR I correctly claim.

[farside22]

I would like to hear why everyone seems to think the same way you do; isn't weeding out those more concerned with saving their own asses than helping the town GOOD for said town?

Claiming at L-5 is saying your own ass.

If I tried to scumhunt on Day 1, I would not do a very good job of it, so I think it's best if I start doing it once I am forced to due to lack of players remaining. Scumhunting on Day 1 is lost on me, I literally can't do it, unless anyone CC's a PR I correctly claim.

So lets trying this why the vote on WRP? Is it he has the biggest bw? What makes you think it's town motivated bw?

[SaintKerrigan]

Would someone explain the Horrordude case to me so I can agree with it, follow with a vote for him, and confirm Farside's suspicions that I'm mindlessly-bandwagoning scum? Thanks so much!

I find Richard's view on Day 1 a tad disturbing.

[SaintKerrigan]

Oh, and

Unvote: Rikenslope. Vote: Ace5993

for coasting by in this game.

[Riddick]

Analysis is proving to be more difficult than I thought but I'm working on it.

For now,

Vote: horrordude0215

needs to die.

[Riddick]

Oh damn, I have to head off for a little bit. The emoticon was @ the scuminess of the quoted post.

Mod possibly v/la untill tomorrow or the next day. Dunno how much net access will be available.

[Netopalis]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 11

ace5993

- 1 - SaintKerrigan - (L-10)

DedicatedScribe

- 1 - Cirno - (L-10)

horrordude0215

- 6 - pman5595, Ythan, Crypto, Lowell, Nobody Special, ace5993 - (L-5)

RichardGHP

- 1 - MoleStargazer - (L-10)

Rikenslope

- 1 - RayFrostWikiManager - (L-10)

SaintKerrigan

- 1 - Farside22 - (L-10)

WRP_Beater

- 4 - JBernier93, Riddick, RichardGHP, Rikenslope - (L-7)

Players not voting: DedicatedScribe, Dr. Cyanide, horrordude0215, Musher333, WRP_Beater

[DedicatedScribe]

sigh. It won't let me do the pbpa on horrordude from my school's computer.

Horrordude, why aren't you trying to defend yourself?

[DedicatedScribe]

EBWOP:

Cirno, why is your vote on me?

[SaintKerrigan]

EBWOP:

Cirno, why is your vote on me?

I'm pretty sure it's still her random vote from before. I've got my eye on her in addition to Ace.

[farside22]

Would someone explain the Horrordude case to me so I can agree with it, follow with a vote for him, and confirm Farside's suspicions that I'm mindlessly-bandwagoning scum? Thanks so much!

I find Richard's view on Day 1 a tad disturbing.

Sarcasm noted.
What is the difference between ace an a few other floaters throwing votes I noticed?

[Netopalis]

JBernier93 has been prodded.

[SaintKerrigan]

Would you point at me and laugh if I say it's because he's voting for Horrordude?

[farside22]

Would you point at me and laugh if I say it's because he's voting for Horrordude?

No. But I will ask if you read peoples views on Horror and what you concluded on it.

[molestargazer]

But I have been in the hospital as my GF had a kid...So little Rikenslope Jr.

Congrats!!

Unvote
Vote: horrordude0215

Definitely a better vote than Richard right now. And I'm starting to believe that smiley theory....

[Ythan]

Nothing has happened since my last post to change my decision on Dude.

[RichardGHP]

I would like to hear why everyone seems to think the same way you do; isn't weeding out those more concerned with saving their own asses than helping the town GOOD for said town?

Claiming at L-5 is saying your own ass.

Since I'm a Power Role, claiming so I'm not lynched is actually both saving my own ass AND in the best interest of the town... and you have avoided the question.

FoS farside22

.

If I tried to scumhunt on Day 1, I would not do a very good job of it, so I think it's best if I start doing it once I am forced to due to lack of players remaining. Scumhunting on Day 1 is lost on me, I literally can't do it, unless anyone CC's a PR I correctly claim.

So lets trying this why the vote on WRP?

Is it he has the biggest bw?

What makes you think it's town motivated bw?

Yes. TBH, for some reason, I completely missed that smiley thing, and upon review I just can't see town doing that.

Unvote; vote: horrordude0215

.

[Ythan]

Claiming at L-5 is incorrect. Also I don't want you thinking you're in the clear. In all likelihood you are going to die tomorrow.

[horrordude0215]

If someone would be glad to explain the reason for the bandwagon on me, that'd be great.

There's an issue over a smiley that I used... I used it because he said that I was giving him "mildly scummy vibes". I asked the question and used the smiley because in my opinion, I hadn't done anything to warrant those vibes.

Horrordude, why aren't you trying to defend yourself?

I'm trying, but it's not working so well. I misread one situation and casted a vote on it, which I promptly unvoted because of it, and suddenly I'm more suspicious than anyone else. Basically, I know I'm about to be lynched, and it doesn't matter what I say, everyone's gonna gang up on me anyways.

I will however, make a case on Crypto in a minute.

[horrordude0215]

I ISO'd Crypto... my main suspect, and made a list of his actions.

ISO 1: Vote RayFrost - Random Vote, nothing scummy about that
ISO 5: Unvote RayFrost, Vote Cirno - Over an alt. issue... I'll let that one pass because I think it was probably a joke
ISO 13: Get's "midly scummy vibes" from me - I call bullshit on that one
ISO 14: Unvotes Cirno, Vote me - Based on the "Mildly Scummy Vibes"
ISO 21: Tries to convince Ythan to wagon on me
ISO 22: Ythan doesn't, so he reposts the same bullshit post
ISO 30: Unvotes me, votes Beater - Doesn't give a reason for it
ISO 31: Asks why saint unvoted me, when he unvoted me 1 post before that
ISO 41: Seems to be trying to rush the lynch
ISO 46: Unvotes Beater, Votes Richard - I like this move, but I think he did it because of the pre-existing bandwagon
ISO 49: FOS Ythan... no reason for that
ISO 57: FOS Saint... gives saint shit about bandwagoning when he is doing it as well
ISO 61: Unvotes Richard, votes me based off of his magic "Scum Chart"
ISO 75: FOS Cyanide for a dumbass reason.

And with that

Vote: Crypto

[crypto]

Why are you yelling at horror like this then?

Because he acted like Beater had done something scummy when he hadn't and failed to provide any detail. I don't know about you, but that looks to me like scum trying to come up with a BS but intelligent-looking reason to follow the flow of suspicions.

2. How do you see his comment as paraphrasing in the least?

Can you show a game that is normal that a mod varied VT PM's?

I could've sworn Mini 880 (which I played in) had them, but it didn't, and I looked through my meta and couldn't find any. It might've been a game I'd read. However: An important modding practice: listing the Vanilla role PM. If you really want me to, I'll dig up an example or two.

Re: Horror's Case

Iso. 5: A joke vote during RVS is not something you righteously "let . . . pass." It is, after all, a joke vote during RVS.
Iso. 13: Why? Gut reads are scummy? Congratulations! You've just condemned every player on this site who plays by any degree of gut at all whatsoever—which is nearly every person on the site.
Iso. 21: Yes, and your problem is . . . ? Why are you only opposed to wagons when they (attempt to) land on you?
Iso. 22:
Iso. 30: Voting without reason is not a scum tell. Nice try.
Iso. 31: I assume you are calling me a hypocrite—by implication, at least, because you apparently don't have the nerve to make the case outright. Huh. So I'm not allowed to ask someone why they did something, just because I did the same thing? You're not a big fan of scum hunting, are you?
Iso. 41: If you say so.
Iso. 46: Why do you like the move? What does your liking this specific move have to do with my alignment? Why do you think I just did it for the wagon? Was my reason not good enough? Why is doing it for the wagon a scum tell (in this situation)?
Iso. 49: That was a facetious FOS, and it was explained. Do your homework.
Iso. 57: I didn't wagon mindlessly like he did. I also didn't focus solely on players being wagoned, as you

just

proved by castigating me for voting for you: I was the only one who took that much interest in your scumminess.
Iso. 61: You don't think I have reasons?
Iso. 75: Why is it a dumbass reason?

Speaking of cases, reasons, and bandwagons, what the hell have you been doing all game? I'm looking through your iso. and I'm not seeing much.

HYPOCRITE!!1!

Even better is that you haven't done much until

now

. Waiting till you've got a rapidly growing wagon on you to make your case and then doing it on the guy who's been pushing your lynch all along . . . well, you know where I'm going with this.