Mini 922 - Mafia in Mo Town [Game Over]

[Espeonage]

Stupid Internet doesn't work where i am living now. But luckily my internet quota is unlimited so I am back online now and should stay online. Sorry for being away.
I don't have time now, but i will have another look through by tomorrow.

Good to see you back! Hope your internet situation works out. ~KittyMo

[AlmasterGM]

I'd be down for either a Netopalis or Lowell lynch right now, but right now I'm leaning Netopalis because his activity level has literally plummeted between D1 and now, whereas Lowell is minimally staying the same (and I agreed with him yesterday). Plus, this post is just outrageous:

Take it as you will. I've seen scum stick together and I've seen them distance. It's still something that I'm not going to seriously bother defending myself against until the flip.

[Netopalis]

I posted my comments, and nobody really had any questions about them. Do you have anything you'd like me to answer? Also, I didn't see any need to defend myself against an accusation that hasn't arisen yet - you haven't yet defended yourself against the accusation that you are not a Mafia player, but actually a potted geranium.

[KittyMo]

Vote Count XVII

[3] Lowell - (hitogoroshi, Netopalis, xRECKONERx)

[2] Sakako - (almightybob, Lowell)
[1] almightybob - (Nikanor)
[1] xRECKONERx - (kyle99)
[1] hitogoroshi - (AlmasterGM)
[1] kyle99 - (Sakako)

[0] AlmasterGM - ()
[0] Espeonage - ()
[0] Netopalis - ()
[0] Nikanor - ()

[1]

Not Voting

- (Espeonage)

With

10

alive, it's

6

to lynch!

Deadline is at Wednesday, March 10, 2010 at 8:00:00 AM (San Diego time).

Prod Checks

* Prodding kyle99

[Sakako]

@bob:

Firstly, kyle's absence is very suspicious.

1. I didn't really think about it terribly much before, but it was basically because he at least acknowledged his vote. That's why it didn't raise the point.

3. Ah, okay. Fair enough. Town points for you.

And thanks. I'm a classical kind of guy. ^_^

[Nikanor]

Only two? Then why did you make a big deal out of it, as if you have some long history of LAL backfiring?? Christ.

I said

on this site

. Just yesterday I pulled off two mislynches as scum by pushing a Lynch All Liars case.

About the lurking and lying thing, let's just go with me being right and you being wrong. This theory discussion isn't getting us anywhere anyway, so I'm going to stop caring if you think you're right or whatever now.

I already did yesterday. I said that MonkeyMan probably claimed, realized we were going to tell him which abilities to use that night (so he couldn't doc protect and claim that was his JOAT use). After he realized his claim would be undone, he went back on it and thought claiming he is VT now instead would look like a town gambit. Instead, it looked like a blatant scum gambit (and obviously the vast majority of the town agree with me), and got a member of the town lynched.

Okay, so you didn't go under LaL. Congratulations.

To say it is pro-town to lie about your role then reveal that you are lying is quite frankly wrong. Even if what I said was WIFOM, you can't prove anything you're saying is anything more than WIFOM. At the best, it's a null tell - and even that null tell on top of how shitty MM had been playing would've been enough for a lynch for most people.

I didn't say it was more pro-town, I said that I think townies should think before they lynch someone for lying.

Anyone given some thought to the possibility that scum are just sitting back watching the town squabble over stupid things like which is better out of the two types of LaL?

Goodposting.

Not to mention, just iso him and read through his first 14 posts in the topic. They're all lurky - promises to catch up, bitching about how many posts there are, etc. When he finally does post ANYTHING of content, it's a half-assed case on AGM. He says at least one of them is scum, then puts a vote on AGM when there are two viable wagons on MonkeyMan and Sakako. I can't in all good faith give him town points for this seeing as how he COMPLETELY ignored the two main wagons for the day.

Dude, there were ~10 pages to catch up on in a day.
I said that I thought Sakako and Monkey were town. Please pay attention.

When pressured further on it, he simply says "I don't think the current wagons are adequate". No specific points he disagrees with, no kind of defense, nothing. He continues to imply that there's no way MM kyle or Sak are scum, but refuses to give reasons. And how about this:

The cases aren't adequate. Afaik it's all a bunch of gut reads and bandwagonning.

How about that hammer on MM, eh Nik?

I don't see anything wrong with it.

He then unvotes once his awful AGM case doesn't get any traction, then blatantly wagons Neto WITH NO REASONING BEHIND HIS VOTE WHATSOEVER. He continues to beg for a Neto wagon and never gives any reasoning or presents a case.

I said that I thought one of AGM and Neto were scum. And I did provide reasons for my Neto vote. Would you like to actually

read

my iso for me, please?

His iso 37 is 1) arrogant as hell and 2) scummy as hell. He says he's going to start policy lynching anyone who uses Lynch all Liars as their argument (hmm... didn't he do that in the RVS?). He uses faulty logic and says anyone who wasn't on the MM wagon is auto-town... despite the fact that MM played like shit and was very scummy and could easily draw a bunch of town support while the scum just sat by and watched. WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM.

I know I'm town, I think Sak is town. It just so happened that neither of us were on the Monkey wagon.

Anyway, Nikanor has posted faux-content this entire game and has tried to pass it off as him doing some active scumhunting, when in fact he hasn't. A lot of his points are made using WIFOM and... yeah... he's just so blatantly lurker-scum-who-tried-vehemently-to-stay-off-the-mislynch-then-start-firing-at-everyone-who-was-on-the-wagon, I can't not Vote: Nikanor.

When I eventually flip town, you will have to realise how awesome I am for seeing that Monkey was town.

More coming later tonight. Time to move some furniture! Yay.

[Nikanor]

Wait, why is AGM still voting hito?

[Sakako]

I know I'm town, I think

Sak

is town. It just so happened that neither of us were on the Monkey wagon.

It's Saka, not Sak.

[Netopalis]

Not liking Nikanor here. He's acting as if it's the foregone conclusion that he'll be lynched, when that's really not the case. I've noticed that scum often tend to go into "lost cause" mode much earlier than town, and I feel that may be his motivation.

[Nikanor]

I said

eventually

for a reason, Neto. I could have said, 'When I am lynched, night-killed, or at the end of the game you will see that I am town and therefore awesome,' but I got lazy.
Also, I just realised that the reason for why Neto is always running to his meta is because he can't rely on his pro-town behaviour in this game to see him through. A town player would be able to do that. However, Neto is not town, so he has to rely on meta to defend himself.
I'm willing to lynch Lowell, but I'd rather lynch Neto first.

Unvote. Vote: Netopalis.

P.S. I haven't actually caught up fully yet. I just realised the above when I was moving my stuff and wanted to post it before I forgot.

[KittyMo]

Vote Count XVIII

[3] Lowell - (hitogoroshi, Netopalis, xRECKONERx)

[2] Sakako - (almightybob, Lowell)
[1] xRECKONERx - (kyle99)
[1] hitogoroshi - (AlmasterGM)
[1] kyle99 - (Sakako)
[1] Netopalis - (Nikanor)

[0] AlmasterGM - ()
[0] almightybob - ()
[0] Espeonage - ()
[0] Nikanor - ()

[1]

Not Voting

- (Espeonage)

With

10

alive, it's

6

to lynch!

Deadline is at Wednesday, March 10, 2010 at 8:00:00 AM (San Diego time).

Prod Checks

* Prodding xRECKONERx (last post 10th hour of Feb. 27), almightybob (last post 15th hour of Feb 28) and Lowell (last post 21st hour of Feb. 26)

[Netopalis]

Saying that I don't randomly vote isn't

always

running to my meta, it's bringing it up in one specific circumstance and in a way that is legitimately used by a number of players.

[Nikanor]

I mean what you've been doing all game, Neto. I'd pull quotes but I don't have the time. If anyone else wants to do so I'd be much obliged.

[Lowell]

Prod received. Sorry folks, had another game heating up, I'll try to get back to this one as soon as possible.

Yaaaay! Hai Lowell. =] ~KittyMo

[Netopalis]

And I wouldn't keep arguing it if people didn't keep hammering the same bloody point. But, fine, you're right. Failing to vote on page 1 is scummy. Keep your vote where it is. I'll add this game to my growing collection of moral victories.

[Nikanor]

I've noticed that scum often tend to go into "lost cause" mode much earlier than town, and I feel that may be his motivation.

And I wouldn't keep arguing it if people didn't keep hammering the same bloody point. But, fine, you're right. Failing to vote on page 1 is scummy. Keep your vote where it is. I'll add this game to my growing collection of moral victories.

[Netopalis]

Nah, this isn't lost cause mode, this is realizing that I'm arguing with a blockhead who stubbornly refuses to listen to the arguments of anybody else.

[Nikanor]

[Espeonage]

Ok I have seen the cases people have made and this is my analysis I got from my skim over.
Lowell is suspicious for the reasons already mentioned. he comes in a second most likely scum atm.
kyle is ok as far as I see it. i actually think his inaction may be linked to not being 'in' to the game because he is VT or something. Not saying he is, just the vibe I am getting.
However i see the big target atm to be Neto. He seems to have over-reacted to the lowell case pointing to a scum team. I would be happy with either lynch at the moment.
So

Vote: Neto

Sorry about the sparse posting. it is second day of Uni and I am still settling in.

[Netopalis]

Uh..The whole point was that I wasn't responding to it until the issue arose. I'm not sure how that's overreacting.

[xRECKONERx]

Sorry guys, I'm still here and reading along. I don't have much to say at this point. I've been kinda scatterbrained since my car wreck. I'll try and contribute more.

Ouch! Hope you're okay from the wreck! Good to see you here. ~Kitty

[almightybob]

I said

on this site

. Just yesterday I pulled off two mislynches as scum by pushing a Lynch All Liars case.

Then why would we believe that you pushing Lynch All Lurkers isn't you trying to do exactly the same?

About the lurking and lying thing, let's just go with me being right and you being wrong. This theory discussion isn't getting us anywhere anyway, so I'm going to stop caring if you think you're right or whatever now.

Me being right and you being wrong? I can live with that.

I didn't say it was more pro-town, I said that I think townies should think before they lynch someone for lying.

And everyone (except you) thought that MM looked scummy even before he was caught in a lie. LAL was the icing on an already scummy cake.

Afaik it's all a bunch of gut reads and bandwagonning.

Whoa whoa whoa. Stop the press. Is that... is that

justification for a stated position

? From

Nikanor

?
Are you feeling OK?

Also, I just realised that the reason for why Neto is always running to his meta is because he can't rely on his pro-town behaviour in this game to see him through. A town player would be able to do that. However, Neto is not town, so he has to rely on meta to defend himself.

This does ring true however. Now that I think about it, Neto has said "*shrug* it's my meta" several times during this game.


I'm going to reread Lowell and Neto, because a lot of people seem to be saying they're scummy, but I can't remember why right now.

And can I ask

@ everyone

(apart from Nikanor the psychic) why they've dropped all suspicion of Sakako in D2? Did I miss him doing something incredibly pro-Town or being cleared or something?

* Prodding almightybob (last post 15th hour of Feb 28)

You do realise that February has only 28 days, and that therefore you prodded me 16 hours after my last post, right mod?

[xRECKONERx]

I think the dropped suspicion of Sakako is more like, he was never really THAT suspicious in the first place, sort of thing.

[Netopalis]

Just to preempt you, Bob, the times that I said that were in response to Monkey's attacks for my refusal to vote during the RVS.

[Nikanor]

Then why would we believe that you pushing Lynch All Lurkers isn't you trying to do exactly the same?

Good point. The answer is that you don't.

Whoa whoa whoa. Stop the press. Is that... is that

justification for a stated position

? From

Nikanor

?

I lol'd.
Believe it or not, I do have reasons for what I do (most of the time).

And can I ask @ everyone (apart from Nikanor the psychic) why they've dropped all suspicion of Sakako in D2? Did I miss him doing something incredibly pro-Town or being cleared or something?

Not to freak you out by giving another justification, but I thought Sakako was town from day one because of iso 17. Paranoia is a town-tell.