Open 209: The Invasion of Liten (Game Over)

[Pulindar]

He said the reason that SPS and Nico were partners was because SPS voted Nico. It just seems to be his line of thought. I don't agree with it, but it's his line of thought.

[Max]

Also Max, you also might want to consider that voting can be used as...say...a scumhunting technique? Or even just a threat to get someone who needs to talk to talk. There are like 200 ways of using a vote and only about 50 of them involve actually getting the person you're voting lynched.

Pressure voting is inherently flawed, in the fact that in about 48 hours I know that I'll have a lynch target. Voting them to get them to speak is pointless as it makes them change their actions to avoid lynch. If the person I want lynched doesn't make serious changes soon they will be victims of my wrath.

3. Why do you hate meta so much that the discussion of meta made you decide that crypto is scummy? Meta is extremely important, if for no other reason, then because it keeps players from making the same mistakes every single time (like lynching me because I crack under pressure. Cus of course no townie ever cracked under pressure ever ever ever.)

There is a difference between advancing/improving your game than inter-game dependence. I can link you to a game of mine from a long while ago where I used this play style. It failed far worse than now, Two of Four
Several players since linked to that game, lynched me, discovered I was again town. Meta is weak and ill-conceived, relying on it to such an extent I believe to be anti-town. As you could link to any of the games I've played and discover different conclusions based on which ones you post.
I could manipulate my meta (e.g. Pooky Town Guarantee), I could link to games where I played poorly as town. I could link to games where I played exceptionally as scum. It doesn't work to the extent crypto is claiming and the tunneling on sniper is not helping town.

[Max]

ok. Post 90 wasn't even my post so I cannot say why crypto did that. That's the only of the three posts that really has anything to do with me and I can't honestly see why crypto, for all practical purposes, FoSing me is a conclusive buddying case between the two of us.

It was more of what he was fossing you for.

[SaintKerrigan]

For a moment, every jaw in the room dropped to the floor. Then SFG exclaimed, "Are you crazy? We aren't killers!"

Sarah pondered the suggestion in her mind.

Did he really just suggest that? How could we possibly be so barbaric as to kill people based on suspicion?

...and yet, the idea made sense. With no other method of detecting Arkons at their disposal, the only way to find out who was an Arkon was through death. If they simply did nothing, the Arkons would slaughter the colonists easily. Thus, the only chance the citizens of Liten had was to fight back.

"I think he may be right," Sarah said quietly.

The Morality Vote Count

(1) Slaxx: Nicodemus
(2) Nicodemus: Nikanor, Steam-Powered Shovel
(2) Pulindar: Sanhora, Sniper
(1) Nikanor: Haylen

(3) Sniper: Pulindar, Alduskkel, SFG

(1) SFG: Slaxx

Not Voting: Max, Horrordude0215, Crypto

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: March 11th, 2010 at 8:00 p.m. CST

[Steam-Powered Shovel]

No, that was what IGMEOSFG stood for. Her second most recent post makes me feel much better, unless she's a super-awesome BSer.

This is pretty far from being a FoS.

But yeah, this one post is apparently why he decided you two were a scum pair.

[crypto]

(peels off lurker suit)

Vote: SFG.

Steam-Powered Shovel, who are your top three suspects?

[Max]

On a side note, why have I not appeared in one of these mini-flavour texts?

Don't worry, your time is coming...

[Steam-Powered Shovel]

(peels off lurker suit)

Vote: SFG.

Steam-Powered Shovel, who are your top three suspects?

Nicodemus, Haylen and Max.

Any specific reason you're voting for SFG?

[Max]

Don't worry, your time is coming...

I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not to be honest... do you know something I don't.

Hmm...

To All

:

Q1

: Who do you believe is the partner of the player you are voting for?

Q2

: If the player you are voting is town would you consider their possible partner is clear?

This is a question just to gauge a few responses.

[crypto]

SFG, why are you putting your vote in a lame place?

[crypto]

Q1

SFG and SPS.

Q2

No.

[SFG]

crypto, note that I spoke my reasoning in the post I voted in. I will also remove my vote if Sniper gets to L-2.

*sigh* this is oddly reminiscent of N862D2

[crypto]

Relax; there's about a 3% chance I'm going to want to hang you today.

[crypto]

I could manipulate my meta (e.g. Pooky Town Guarantee), I could link to games where I played poorly as town. I could link to games where I played exceptionally as scum. It doesn't work to the extent crypto is claiming and the tunneling on sniper is not helping town.

1. I am not tunneling. That accusation is somewhere between irksomely idiotic and scummy.
2. You didn't read my links. I'm not talking about gauging play through meta. I'm talking about catching scum in a web of their own lies between games on different forums.

[Slaxx]

Can't name partners because not enough people (me included) are contributing enough.

@SFG: Why would you out that you're going to take the vote off? Why not just do it when it happens and check for reactions?

@Max: I know your votes not on anyone, which btw I find suspicious despite your argument, I would like for you to answer your own questions based on your FoSs.
I would agree with Crypto about a possible SFG SPS scumpair. Post 282 gives me bad vibes, but that might be a null tell considering Crypto has been semilurking and he might just be curious.

@Crypto: If one of them pops town, then that means you have other suspicions than just connections. Care to share them?

@Pulindar: How do you feel about the two people who have their votes on you? Would you be okay with a Sniper lynch?

[Haylen]

I th'o't Nicodemus an' Sniper should hang taday peep this shit.

Vote Sniper

at least Nicos' being helpful and shit.

Now i must go hang with me homies.

[horrordude0215]

Mod: Replacing Out

Sorry, I think RL is too much right now for me to be in a lot of games

That's okay, I fully understand how that goes.

[SaintKerrigan]

I potentially have a replacement already lined up for this game. I just need to confirm that this person still wants to replace in.

[Haylen]

who iz zee sucka?

[crypto]

Haylen, that's poor form.

crypto, note that I spoke my reasoning in the post I voted in. I will also remove my vote if Sniper gets to L-2.

I saw your reasoning. My question was more of a rhetorical jab at your strategy, or rather what you claim to be your strategy. Stick your neck out and put your vote where it will affect the game. If you're just going to unvote him at L-2, then don't bother voting him at all. You're setting yourself up for a waste of time and potentially a Get Out of Scum Hunting Free Card.

@Crypto: If one of them pops town, then that means you have other suspicions than just connections. Care to share them?

SPS I find individually scummy for his Nico case, and his post 241 smells funny. That post is also the basis for that scum pair, but it's counteracted by post 253, which features SPS-scum sucking up to SFG-town.

I still have to sort out my conflicting SFG reads.

[Steam-Powered Shovel]

To All

:

Q1

: Who do you believe is the partner of the player you are voting for?

Q2

: If the player you are voting is town would you consider their possible partner is clear?

This is a question just to gauge a few responses.

My suspicion of Nicodemus is completely independent of any considerations of partnerships.

[crypto]

@Sniper

Sorry did not know how to bold it.

I vote

Horrordude0215

.

Was this because you didn't know

how

to bold text, or because you didn't know you were

supposed

to bold it.

[crypto]

FACK DAMN QUESTION MARK!?!??!!

[Slaxx]

Good. I'm glad we're seeing the same thing there. That being said, I would be more comfortable with

unvote

vote: SPS

[Pulindar]

Yes, I am willing for a Sniper lynch today. I have a few reasons for it.

As I've said before his actions are scummy, even those who don't think he's scum agree with me on that. He gets off by pretending that he's new. The way he's trying to present himself, is as someone we aren't allowed to get a scummy read on. To me that in itself is inherently scummy.

Second he hasn't posted any content. I'm not strictly opposed to that, but since his no content posts also annoy me I feel that he's just a distraction on town.

I had three, but I forget the third one right now

As for Sniper's partner... it's odd but if Sniper turns up scum (I think it's a possibility) then I may consider Nika.

@Pulindar: Your 191 makes me argh. Sniper isn't actually throwing out any scumtells. He's not going to be lynched today. Please change your vote to someone who will be lynched.

That defense just seems a bit strong to me. I see Sniper as a possibility, I don't see the need to defend someone so much. But I have no other reason to suspect Nika, which means that even if sniper flipped scum I would probably be unsure and would not be confident in my suspicion of Nika. I'd probably just go from town read to null read. And that's only IF Sniper flips scum.