Open 204: Friend and Enemies Over

[kunkstar7]

Mainly is your ease of being swayed. That implies an openness to any lynch, regardless of its true merits, which in my mind is scummy.

[PaltryExcuse]

what?

u read wrong. IF the case is strong on exedrin, then i'll vote for him. It does not mean that i won't give my input. Is stating that i "think that exedrin is not scum" not input to you?

Is not posting for 5 days a sign of lurking or flaking?

yes, and pwnman should be prodded aswell.

Not what I meant when I asked that. I was basically saying I see it as flaking, and not lurking as scum can be prone to do.

Secondly, I agree with kunkstar. Your content post consisted of an ambiguous comment on Excedrin, an ambiguous comment on water_foul, and then suspicion on a guy who hasn't even posted outside of RQS. I think pwnman needs a good prod, maybe a boot in the ass, but it doesn't make him scummy. If he is flaking, as 5 days without a post tends to imply, I'm thinking a replacement is in order which is a null tell either way you look at it.

[Light]

But not being open is also a shit thing.

My ease of being swayed? i said i could be swayed to vote for exedrin if enough evidence was presented. It wouldn't be "regardless of it's true merits" because im voting based on evidence presented.

So what would you have me do to prove my innocence then? be less ambiguous? Narhh, i play the way i play. You cannot change my core playstyle, i will always be open. always, regardless of faction.

I also stated at page 7-8 that i would start paying more attention. Did you not conclude that i have yet to fully analyze the pages and posts before it?

If you believe me to be the scum, then vote me out. i have absolutely nothing to lose. However the town would have then suffered from a mislynch.

[Mindgamer]

water_foul
These three are currently screaming scum team to me... Does any one else get this read?

Not me. Don't you think it's a bit early to already start calling scumteams?

Excerin
So you're not getting a replacement?

Why would he?

Light
alright then paltryexcuse, i will get more involved. tbh the other mafia game i've been participating in seems much more interesting

Quoted for truth. This game really hasn't been spectacular so far.

McGriddle
Yes I agree with pwnman lurking. Based off of meta, pwnman is a very active player and very aggressive when he is town, and a little more laxed and lurky when he is scum.

Is that so? Can you link me to the games you have researched?

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That was my post. At least I'm not posting fluff.

Oh, and

Vote: Don_johnson

I don't like the way he's been posting.

Moderator: I'd really like to know Pwnman's status. Is he going to be replaced?

He has 24 hours remaining to pick up his prod.

[McGriddle]

Sure mindgamer, the first one we were a scum pair in:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... dd65baa83a

The second he actually flipped town and was really aggressive:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=525

[farside22]

I'm going to reread this game. I feel like I'm missing someone or something.

[pwnman]

I picked up my prod. Sorry yall forgot about this game.

[don_johnson]

mindgamer: please expand. what don't you like about my posting? you seem to agree with some of the things i am bringing up, so i am confused as to what you are thinking is scum motivated.

[water_foul]

water_foul
These three are currently screaming scum team to me... Does any one else get this read?

Not me. Don't you think it's a bit early to already start calling scumteams?

Probably now that i think about it but I was just putting my 2c out there, keeping the town on their toes is always good. If no-one else got the same vibe oh well, it looks like it has just put more scrutiny on me which is fine. Either way it generated some conversation which is good.

Pwnman, I believe there is a lot of votes piled apon you so in the spirit of getting the conversation started and you involved please answer the following.

Do you think the votes are warranted?

Do you have any suspicions on anyone?

Couldn't think of a third question sorry

[Excedrin]

So you're not getting a replacement?

Why would he?

Because he's not interested in the game. See his posts 30 and 32 in iso (and 1 and 17).

[hewitt]

did I have that idea? refer me, for I am mistaken if I said that.

Um.

whatebber scum

It's not even ten pages in and you're already forgetting past actions? That's not a good sign.

If you believe me to be the scum, then vote me out.

Honestly? Starting this kind of talk already? That's a pretty huge over defensive post right here. It's a little bit early to be panicking about being lynched and pulling that kind of shit.

[Light]

thats considered a huge defensive post?

[hewitt]

thats considered a huge defensive post?

The whole "well fine then lynch me and you'll just have a mislynch" defense? I don't know if I've ever seen players who are pro-town use that in order to prevent themselves from being lynched. In fact...

Unvote, Vote: Light

I can't deal with jumpy players who don't logically think things through and play over defensively and resort to crap logic.

[Light]

so you want to lynch me because "I can't deal with jumpy players who don't logically think things through and play over defensively and resort to crap logic.".

nice.

So does that make all "jumpy players" scum?

[hewitt]

so you want to lynch me because "I can't deal with jumpy players who don't logically think things through and play over defensively and resort to crap logic.".

Yes.

So does that make all "jumpy players" scum?

Jumpy players aren't necessarily always scum, but I've never come across a jumpy player who is pro-town. So lynching an anti-town player D1, which is kind of a good starting point in my opinion, is almost like a win-win situation. We get great reads on who was on/off the wagon whether they flip town or scum and it rids the game of an anti-town player. It's like lynching Empking or caboose or zwets, win-win either way.

I can tell you right now I don't want a player like you who jumps to the defense of "well fine then lynch me and take a mislynch" in any sort of situation down the road where it's getting tight to lylo.

[Light]

who is empking, cboose and zwets?

Im not anti-town. So basically your saying you want to lynch me for the sake of lynching? I know i haven't been voicing a lot of opinions, but that in no way states that i am anti-town.

I can tell you right now I don't want a player like you who jumps to the defense of "well fine then lynch me and take a mislynch" in any sort of situation down the road where it's getting tight to lylo.

assuming that lylo = lie low;

i feel as though you've made a very scummy statement. You wouldn't want someone who knows that he is definetely the townie and insists that lynching him could result in a mislynch down the track?

[Mindgamer]

Hewitt
The whole "well fine then lynch me and you'll just have a mislynch" defense? I don't know if I've ever seen players who are pro-town use that in order to prevent themselves from being lynched. In fact...

I've actually seen it once. Such a defense is a newbtell, not a scumtell.

mindgamer: please expand. what don't you like about my posting? you seem to agree with some of the things i am bringing up, so i am confused as to what you are thinking is scum motivated.

Your first posts are mostly about game mechanics, and you vote McGriddle for wasting a post. I don't see why 'wasting a post' is scummy. And later on you give water_foul a scum point for the same reason. I can see why smokescreening is scummy, but if just one post is of lower quality... everyone has their ups and downs.

Your interaction with DiscoRoboto is also strange. You are defending him quite hard, and you agree with DR's vote on Excedrin because 'he's giving me a headache'. And you call him Adam. Buddying much?

Your last post is relatively big but it's actually about game mechanics again and more DiscoRoboto defense.

Not to mention you haven't scumhunted at all while we're already at page nine.

Your behaviour is not protown.

[don_johnson]

i am voting. i am questioning players. i am pointing out things i don't think are helping town. accusation of "not scumhunting" is piss poor. retract it.

"buddying" is also ridiculous. i have already laid out my stance on the strategy behind this set up. accusing me of buddying after i clearly pointed out that its a viable strategy in this set up tells me that you are not fully reading my posts.

further, the accusations of "buddying" are not all that applicable in this set-up either. as the masons need to try and hide their identities and the identities of their partners, so to do vanilla's need to "act" like they are masons in order to draw nks away from the real mason team thereby increasing the chances of a town win.

rethink your stance and get back to me. post 216 does not contain a single question which i can answer. they are off the mark, ridiculous, blanket statements which achieve nothing. much like my response to farside: if you have a question , please ask.

Buddying much?

^^ only question there. interestingly, this implies that DR is town. why is it odd for me to think he is town when you obviously feel the same way?

[DiscoRoboto]

Just dropping in here to say that Don isn't a mason, interpret it any way you want, I rather not elaborate on it.

[don_johnson]

*facepalm*

[PaltryExcuse]

@Disco:...why...?

@Light:
lylo = Lynch or lose.
Lylo is when town is in a situation where they lynch mafia or lose.
Mylo = mislynch or lose.
Mylo is when town is in a situation where if they mislynch, they lose... however they can still No lynch and live.

I understand the need to defend oneself, but, where's that analysis? You said it was implied on your post a couple days ago and you've posted since then sans analysis.

On dj: I disagree. I thought this was scumhunting.

[DiscoRoboto]

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm not. You can theorize(is that a word?) on how I came to the conclusion... maybe I'm distancing, maybe I just saw something. I hope that the brighter minds among us will see what I'm implying with saying it.

[don_johnson]

do you

want

to be lynched?

[DiscoRoboto]

Since when is what I did a scum tell?

[farside22]

do you

want

to be lynched?

Why would you say this?