Mafia 109 - A Glitch in time - Game Over!

[Pulindar]

Ug, I miss-worded myself. announcement was the wrong word. I meant to say what's that thing, the Bah post ... I've seen people do it before. the
[quote=example Bah Post]These people are Definitely Scum

These other people are definitely town.[/quote]
That post that when the person flips town makes everyone go. "Well, at least he wasn't just blowing smoke, he really believed what he's saying. His arguments seem semi logical, maybe we should look at it from that perspective."

That thing. I'm trying to get as good of a read on people as I can before I'm lynched so that my death won't be in vain. I hate when people die and don't leave anything behind.

@ Anon: I've read a game with Mastin, I didn't like the way he played.
This is a personal question not at all to do wit hthe game, but why would you say I was a Mastin Alt? I don't like the idea of that
On another note. I see what you're saying. I didn't get scared, but I did get confused. Still, at no point did I unclaim it. Drip asked if I was sure of the claim and I told him I was. In the same post that I acknowledged what Yos said about it being risky. I never once denied the claim, but I had thought I had already made it.

@Yos: I read you and Clergy in ISO, I see why you voted Clergy, still thinking about it myself.

@ Drip:
I dunno. I think I recently started it. I'd have to go through. I like to ask questions. I ask more when people are on me then when people are not. I know I'm asking a ton in the other games I'm in, but that may be influence from this game. I'm asking a good number in Budja's game, but not as many as here. I asked some in my science games until I was satisfied with the answers ( I read everyone wrong in the second game)
I've only completed 3 games though. and I replaced into almost all of them ... I'd have to check. You can look at my wiki, I keep it up to date.

Numbers
I'm at L-4 after Drip and KMD left
Clergy is at L-3 after Anon left.


Parama - Null
Nachomamma - Null
McZombie -

Quit and should be replaced.

Maemuki - Null
Ythan - Scum
Pulindar - Town
Dramonic - Slight Scum
camn - Town
SpyreX - Null
A Clergyman with a Hoop - Scummish
Drippereth - Town
Yosarian2 - Town
Anon - Slight Town (weary because I like his style)
KMD - Null
Weaboo - Slight Scum

[Anon]

My theory is that Pulindar got scared when Yosa told him that vanilla claims get lynched, implied he wasnt vanilla in this game using the excuse of the another game and then when he realized someone would ask him he came up with this shit of "I wonder where I got confused".

I just cant simply let someone live after a chain of very likely lies.

That is true... My scumdar is spinning out of control... help!

Love your last few posts. The very essence of towniness. If you could bottle it you'd be a millionaire.

<3

What makes you think Pulindar is town?

[Haylen]

Looking for a McZombie replacement. I PM'd Starbuck about 10 hrs ago...

I also don't allow Bah/Ghost posts. I wrote it in my rules.

[Anon]

A Clergyman with a Hoop
I like camn's point, pointing out breadcrumbs is scummy, but still I like ClergyHoop.

Good defenses, reasonable logic. Town lean for sure.

A Clergyman with a Hoop - Scummish

Pulindar, the first one is your read of clergyman at today's 12:18 PM GMT-5.

I dont remember clergyman posting at all after that post.

What exactly changed your "town lean for sure" to "scummish" read in this small interval of time? 5 hours, to be more precise.

[Drippereth]

Tons of inconsistencies and suspicious stuff yet he goes down like town.

We need to make sure that Clergyhoop fakeclaims today. Everyone on board for a Clergyhoop fakeclaim?

[Pulindar]

Looking for a McZombie replacement. I PM'd Starbuck about 10 hrs ago...

I also don't allow Bah/Ghost posts. I wrote it in my rules.

I meant to do it before I was lynched. When I was at L-1 or something. But now I'm considering just keeping a running tally of my thoughts. Thank way questions like Anon's can be made quickly and I will still have time to answer them.

A Clergyman with a Hoop
I like camn's point, pointing out breadcrumbs is scummy, but still I like ClergyHoop.

Good defenses, reasonable logic. Town lean for sure.

A Clergyman with a Hoop - Scummish

Pulindar, the first one is your read of clergyman at today's 12:18 PM GMT-5.

I dont remember clergyman posting at all after that post.

What exactly changed your "town lean for sure" to "scummish" read in this small interval of time? 5 hours, to be more precise.

Valid point Anon.

Yos, I saw some of your reasons... nvm I'll read you in ISO and see all of your reasons. Let me return after that and give you my assessment of ClergyHoop.

I saw some of Yos' reasons, which I stated a few posts back. At this time I almost asked him to represent his whole case, then I changed my mind and decided I would go back and read his posts and see what his case was and how he presented it. After that I looked back at Clergy with Yos' posts in mind and read most of his posts again. It definitely changes the light I was looking at him in.

Before I felt that the Nik wagon had been scummy as I'm reading more and more people though, and as I read Nik in ISO I'm starting to realize that while it started off a bit stronger than I like, his choice not to respond basically made him scummy and righted the wagon.

I still see and understand ClergyHoop, but I like where Yos is going with it more. Thus, as I said I'm still thinking, but he's starting to seem Scumish.

Also,This post started my questioning. I know it happened before my post first sentiment, but I didn't read it until after. That may be a 20 minute difference, but I worked on my player by player for quite some time. In alphabetical order too.

[Drippereth]

Pulindar Logic = scum
Pulinday Gut = town

GUT WINS by a hair.

@ Pulindar - I would be forever grateful if you unvoted Ythan, and voted Clergyhoop.

[Ythan]

That is true... My scumdar is spinning out of control... help!

I'm confused, what is your position on Pulindar? Is there some hydra disagreement going on or something else?

[Ythan]

I love how I'm summarily scum in Pulindar's book for no apparent reason other than that I attacked him. Also

I meant to do it before I was lynched.

It's not a bah post if you can still escape. You still have motives.

[Drippereth]

That is true... My scumdar is spinning out of control... help!

I'm confused, what is your position on Pulindar? Is there some hydra disagreement going on or something else?

We're both leaning town. It's just that about half of Pulin is scummy, and the other half is townie, so it's a hard read.

[Ythan]

The sort of read that indicates that you'd like to have the player there in lylo?

[Weaboo]

TOO MUCH FUCKING POSTING

SERIOUSLY TEN PAGES IN ONE DAY

GOD DAMMIT I HATE DOING A CATCHUP POST EVERY TIME I SIGN IN

[Drippereth]

The sort of read that indicates that you'd like to have the player there in lylo?

We would prefer not to have to get into Lylo.
(hahaharight?....Serial...Hoopla...Kise....)

[Parama]

Ythan

I want to say scum, but he could just be the second worst town player I've ever seen.

Do you have anything that doesn't sound like OMGUS whinging?

Well, your play this game is stupid for town and stupid for scum, so...

If and not when you flip town we get Parama tomorrow

dederp what?
Wagon I hammer flips scum.
Wagon I don't support flips town.
So the obvious result is to lynch me?

Parama is town. Nobody "gets" Parama. Not tomorrow. Not anytime.

I don't "get" Parama either. It's like he's playing differently every game! (*hint hint*
BTW just putting this out here. I changed my mind about the case. I'll do it over the weekend but I want to wait until Ythan stops spamming.
Conveniently enough clergy hasn't posted in a while.
More votes on clergy please. Claim needs to be posted within the next 2 hours.

[Ythan]

Wagon I hammer flips scum.
Wagon I don't support flips town.
So the obvious result is to lynch me?

Idiotic oversimplification, approached only by idiotic stop spamming posts made in an attempt to discredit me instead of saying anything intelligent. :3

[Parama]

Wagon I hammer flips scum.
Wagon I don't support flips town.
So the obvious result is to lynch me?

Idiotic oversimplification, approached only by idiotic stop spamming posts made in an attempt to discredit me instead of saying anything intelligent. :3

Are you even trying anymore?

[dramonic]

Wagon I hammer flips scum.
Wagon I don't support flips town.
So the obvious result is to lynch me?

Idiotic oversimplification, approached only by idiotic stop spamming posts made in an attempt to discredit me instead of saying anything intelligent. :3

Don't worry Ythan, you still have the medal for spammy posts without any useful content

[Ythan]

Wagon I hammer flips scum.
Wagon I don't support flips town.
So the obvious result is to lynch me?

Idiotic oversimplification, approached only by idiotic stop spamming posts made in an attempt to discredit me instead of saying anything intelligent. :3

Are you even trying anymore?

Thanks for confirming it so clearly. Die obvious scum die.

[Drippereth]

Parama is town. Don't go telling him to die.

[Yosarian2]

Ythan, you're not making any sense at all here.

[Ythan]

He is nothing but deflection. Explain that in the context of a good town player.

[Drippereth]

Voting for Clergyhoop is fun!

[Parama]

Ythan is nothing but deflection. Explain that in the context of a good town player.

[Ythan]

That is a completely idiotic and meaningless response. But what do I expect.

[A clergyman with a hoop]

First of all, I'm going to repeat a question that was never answered. Drippereth, can you please answer it;

Some other things Drippereth needs to talk me through;

Must-die players:

7 - A Clergyman with a Hoop (Yosarian's buddy, NOT Nikanor's buddy)

Nikanor is absolutely not scum with Clergyhoop. Of this I am 100% certain. If there is one scum faction, that means that Nikanor is SK; if there are two scum factions, he probably belongs to the other. However, I'm going to venture a guess that there is one scum faction and a SK, because a small scum group would suspect the existence of a second one, and hope for town cred from lynching the second scumgroup. I'm not seeing this here. We'll see how the NKs go.

Pretty sure that Clergyhoop is scum.

What changed?

~~

I'm now going to address a few other things that have happened since our last post. Drippereth's mind-meld post is hilarious, although I have a feeling that wasn't the desired effect. It's the equivalent of a bad PBPA or isolation case, that ignores

any

chance of the contrary to her theories. I hope nobody took this post seriously, because it's just a dressed up post saying 'CLERGY IS SCUM' without anything substancial behind it.

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This also upsets me, because I've addressed this before, between pages of Ythan spam.

*My problem with clergyhoops is that I dont understand what was the reason for clearing Nikanor with no basis at all. Clergy, help me here?

Nikanor is town. This wagon should be ashamed of itself.

I'll run you through my thought process on Day 1. I see a wagon spiral to L-2 based on a page 2 case which contains essentially nothing. It felt

obvious

to me that the wagon was scum-motivated, as I don't think the town would be so detrimental and take such silly risks (especially when Nikanor was fake-hammered before he had a chance to come back). After interrogating several players I finally weedled out that Drippereth didn't believe there was any evidence on the

initial

Nikanor wagon (which is the time-frame my quote comes from), yet you wouldn't believe it at the time with quotes like this;

It's because Drip twice said that she wanted Parama lynched, Anon. Saying it once is random, saying it twice means to me that she has something.

Yeah, I got something, you're scum.

I'd build a case but you're dropping scumtells faster than I can process them.

unvote, vote: Nikanor

I <3 camn.

I think Anon is seeing the same thing I am - Nikanor is scum. Do you see it? Read carefully.

I <3 camn.

I think Anon is seeing the same thing I am - Nikanor is scum. Do you see it? Read carefully.

Please unvote camn, she is town. We need your Nikanor vote ASAP, we're done with random voting.

It's not explicitely scummy as it suits DGB's playstyle to come up with early declarations of alignment. But the town doesn't realize it opens up her options to go after

anyone

, as she has meta of being ridiculously erratic. Just see the quotes at the top of my post to see the lengths in which she can change her views without coming under suspicion. I admit, such practices occasionally net scum, but it can also make DGB difficult to read and paint her into corners if one or two of her strong reads are wrong (the kind of corner we are in for our wrong read).

Okay, I've veered onto a tangent, and the point I'm supposed to be addressing is

why

I thought Nikanor was town. It largely stemmed from the speed of the wagon - scum-motivated wagons generally run quicker than town-pushed wagons. I know this is a speed game, but Nikanor's wagon was ridiculous. I've never seen scum quicklynched and refused to believe scum would bus out of the gate so hard. This was my genuine interpretation of the event, and I can't believe people don't see this line of thinking.

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Also, whoever it was that was asking me to claim. You're kidding yourself.