Open 209: The Invasion of Liten (Game Over)

[crypto]

Vote: Sanhora

for being the only person I've played with before.

Unvote. Vote: Nikanor.

Why did you not random-vote?

Remind me to nominate SaintKerrigan for best flavor when the game's over.

[crypto]

And now you're fake-claiming. And you still haven't voted. Awesome sauce.

Also, "Saint" is sometimes used in surnames.

[crypto]

Hypothetical situation: I am an Adel-alt. Please give me your initial reaction to this news

Is this your idea of an ice-breaking joke?

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Hmm. I don't think I've ever done this before, but questions for everyone:

1. Do you prefer town or scum?
2. Is lurking a scum tell?
3. Do you prefer town hunting or scum hunting?
4. How active do you normally consider yourself, in-game?
5. Policy lynches—good or bad?
6. Lynch All Liars—good or bad?
7. Is it scummy to vote without immediately giving the reason?
8. Is it bad to out your town reads?

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Not answering my own survey would be totally rude.

1. Town.
2. Not reliably, but I think scum do it marginally more often than town.
3. Mix.
4. Fairly active. Sometimes too active.
5. Bad, unless they're a last resort.
6. Bad, but mostly a case-by-case issue.
7. No.
8. No. I encourage it.

[crypto]

Now, Haylen, we don't have to go over the whole "Self-voting in RVS restricts amount of available info" deal, do we?

[crypto]

Oh, Haylen, you're so admirably eccentric.

Nikanor

Lurking's a scum tell, but you "go through dry spots of lurking at times"?

Why is #7 scummy?

6. Terribad. People who think Lynch All Liars is a good idea should be shot.

High five.

Pulindar

7. NO!! Definitely not. when seeking certain reactions it is often necessary to vote without giving a reason especially on day 1

Booyah!

[crypto]

Er, but those aren't random questions. I asked most of them for a reason.

[crypto]

Unvote. Vote: Steam-Powered Shovel.

No, seriously.

[crypto]

You'd rather pressure some lurker than focus on the stuff that's actually happening?

[crypto]

His single post consisted of answers to my survey and an unreasoned wagon vote.

[crypto]

I like to start the day with a bandwagon. It is good for your cholesterol.

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5cvm

[crypto]

/agree

[crypto]

We're just 2 hours into the game, SFG. Way too early for lurkerhunting.

[crypto]

So . . . got any thoughts about what's transpired so far, Sniper?

[crypto]

@St. Kerrigan: You said that the Arkon's are physically superior, how closely do they appear in looks?
What uniforms do they wear?

Leave the man alone, insolent whelp!

Why don't you have any questions for me?

Warning—serious Question:

Does anyone stand out as particularly scummy?

[crypto]

that was re: Pulindar. No one else is allowed to answer.

[crypto]

Leave the man alone, insolent whelp!

Why don't you have any questions for me?

Warning—serious Question: Does anyone stand out as particularly scummy?

[snippy snip]

Occupation:

Poet

Interests:

Writing

[crypto]

Okay, serious biz.

Does that answer the question?

Thoroughly.

SFG went after a lurker WAY to early, but there were alot of posts already so...

I agree with this. And in her defense, sometimes my sense of time/lurking gets warped. IMGEOSFG.

Nicodemus went after me for "throwing Flak at random players" I like that. I like that he paid attention, and that he wasn't afraid to bring it up.

That was a joke, right?

Also, I warn you that I am very capable of belting out hideous text walls and suffocating quantities of spam. In case you haven't noticed.

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Crypto

Damn straight.

[crypto]

I got my eye on SFG.

[crypto]

No, that was what IGMEOSFG stood for. Her second most recent post makes me feel much better, unless she's a super-awesome BSer.

[crypto]

Nikanor

I'm ambivalent. I get a weird feeling about how he questioned Pulindar's joke post. That looked like a real stretch, groping for something to comment on; I thought it was obvious that the post was a joke. But that's pretty thin stuff to go on.

What's your beef with Nico?

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Pully

I'm trying to learn from Battle Mage. I like his style and even though he was scum, he played such a pro-town game that I'd like to use his scum play a bit in general. I stated that at the time in my second open science game.

Did you just claim scum?

[crypto]

Oh, I completely missed your post where you said essentially the same thing that I just said about Nico.

[crypto]

And yeah, that sneaky avatar change makes it really hard for me to remain unbiased.

[crypto]

I did some egregious skimming so I'll have to reread, but SPS needs to be dead right now.

[crypto]

Nikanor, is Haylen scummy?

[crypto]

Try harder.

[crypto]

ROFL, that was re: Max.

[crypto]

Re: Nikanor. Isn't that play style thing, though? Pithy posts like that are what the cool people do here at MS. I do agree it's annoying. I don't mind pithy, but I do mind pithy and meaningless.

[crypto]

Is it just me, or did you just call Haylen cool?

If you want me to add a

SARCASM

tag to every other sentence I write, just let me know.

And Max, I thought that crypto was scum for a while, but he's actually doing some decent scumhunting. Right now I have a neutral-town read on him.

Thanks for your seal of approval.

[crypto]

Nikanor, when I signed up, I did not know I was going to be reading and rating 30, 72 page games.

That's a pretty good excuse if you ask me. That's a huge amount of work.

[crypto]

Meta: crypto. I apologize in advance for the lack of scum meta.

[crypto]

ATTENTION SCUMBAG LURKER

2. Is lurking a scum tell?

. . .

2. Yes.

Why so sure?

His Nico case looks so opportunistic my head asplode.

@crypto: What's with the new avatar?

A GD thread gave me a little inspiration. And the House avatar was distastefully unsubtle.

[crypto]

SFG

Hmm. SFG, that player-by-player analysis seems to splash either accusatory or critical mud on almost every player. Is that what you intended?

Why do you find nonparticipation in RVS scummy?

Not inherently, but it irks me. If I said I find it scummy, then I lied.

why do you feel the need to mark your like...6th serious question as being serious, when you didn't mark the others?

The other stuff in that post wasn't serious. It was within the context of that post, not all my posts. Why do you ask?

Why does SPS need to be dead now?

His single post consisted of answers to my survey and an unreasoned wagon vote.

His Nico case looks so opportunistic my head asplode.

Finally, in ISO 30, you misattributed a quote about your avatar to me. The quote is actually from Nik

I failed.

Overall getting slight town vibes from you.

Have a pizza.

Pulindar

I still enjoy haylens posts. I can't explain it, but I really do.

What about her lack of content? Does that not concern you at this point? Why are you encouraging her to continue with the lollery?

I still like Nico's attack on me. others say that they find it grasping at straws, but I think it's more of trying to solve the logic.

I hope this isn't Pully-scum trying to get Nico off his back with kissing of the ass. You're too fun to be scum.

I can attest that that's just how Slaxx plays. I don't know what his alignment is in our game (still ongoing) but that is how he plays.

Do you think he'll be readable later on (toward the end of day 1 or the start of day 2 or so)?

Sharon Faith Goddard.

[crypto]

Giggle.

[crypto]

SPS, you really should toggle online status to hidden. You look really scummy in General Discussion right now when you only have five post in this thread.

[crypto]

There should be a noun plural in there somewhere but I can't be bothered to EBWOP.

[crypto]

Okay. Inturstings.

And God sorry for the avatar switches; I found this in my Pictures folder and I was like omgosh yum.

[crypto]

Re: SFG's 161. I get that, then. Also, only townies say "congeal."

I definitely see no reason to lynch SFG and I have no absolutely no read on crypto.

That's because you want to leave the door open for OMGUS if possible. It's also because I'm Batman.

Nico's scumminess is the only noteworthy event that has transpired as far as I'm concerned.

My frown muscles are flexing so hard in disagreement that my veins are popping and fountaining blood all over my keyboard.

[crypto]

Unvote. Vote: Sniper.

2:30 AM. Will address whateverz tomorrow.

[crypto]

Actually,

unvote

. We've all seen this before from townies. Sniper, out of curiosity, what forum did you play Mafia on before you came here?

[crypto]

See above post please before you leave.

[crypto]

Sniper, I'm not attacking you. I think you're town. I thought that much was obvious by what I just said. But you'll have a lot firmer ground to stand on if you out your background info.

[crypto]

Withholding your meta is one of the scummiest and most anti-town moves you could possibly pull, and there's nothing in it for you.

Ahem.



Your problem is that you aren't the first case of the inter-forum sneaks I've had to deal with. I've gotten the job done twice. If you're scum, I will confidently put my money on me finding you, catching the difference between your play styles here and on your previous roflcoptering grounds, and getting you lynched.

[crypto]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37LfA4UcfFo

[crypto]

How do you feel about this response to your 5th question, crypto?

I admit to having missed it the first time around—and it's disconcertingly stupid. The whole point of policy lynches is that they're based on known principle. They shouldn't be ambushes.

@Sanhora

, please refute my statement.

He has a town lean on me, I have the same on him.

It happens because we share similar lines of thought.

You do realize how dangerous this is, right?

@All

, what do you think of Sniper's refusal to out his meta?

[crypto]

Okay, that's fine. I tend to get town reads on people who

don't bust my chops

agree with me, too.

It's sort of just extraneous.

One player in a somewhat recent game of mine refused to out his meta. I thought it was pretty null, but then he flipped scum. Now I'm thinking it's more telling. There's little reason for a townie to withhold his meta.

Good luck

[crypto]

Crypto, may I ask why you unvoted sniper then if you find it telling?

All in due time.

she says that she doesn't see why I would vote sniper, that there's no real chance Sniper will be lynched today, and asked me to remove my vote. She also said that she now has a null read on me.

She's just being BA. Don't worry about it.

Yo, Snipes, could you answer my survey please?

While I'm at it, you might want to get an avatar. It's easier to recognize you for those of us who blast through threads as fast as we can.

[crypto]

hmmm the good luck to you proving that he's scum. I forgot about that ..... what an interesting way to put it.

Yes, that was such an idiotic thing to say it's driving me nuts. I'm tempted to write it off as him indulging his oh-so-razor wit.

[crypto]

He said in the Queue that he's played forum Mafia before.

[crypto]

You made me laugh.

[crypto]

It's not 100% derailed. I'm waiting for Sniper.

[crypto]

Is anyone here any good with Paint (or a similar program)? Haaalp.

Seriously. Help.

[crypto]

(peels off lurker suit)

Vote: SFG.

Steam-Powered Shovel, who are your top three suspects?

[crypto]

SFG, why are you putting your vote in a lame place?

[crypto]

Q1

SFG and SPS.

Q2

No.

[crypto]

Relax; there's about a 3% chance I'm going to want to hang you today.

[crypto]

I could manipulate my meta (e.g. Pooky Town Guarantee), I could link to games where I played poorly as town. I could link to games where I played exceptionally as scum. It doesn't work to the extent crypto is claiming and the tunneling on sniper is not helping town.

1. I am not tunneling. That accusation is somewhere between irksomely idiotic and scummy.
2. You didn't read my links. I'm not talking about gauging play through meta. I'm talking about catching scum in a web of their own lies between games on different forums.

[crypto]

Haylen, that's poor form.

crypto, note that I spoke my reasoning in the post I voted in. I will also remove my vote if Sniper gets to L-2.

I saw your reasoning. My question was more of a rhetorical jab at your strategy, or rather what you claim to be your strategy. Stick your neck out and put your vote where it will affect the game. If you're just going to unvote him at L-2, then don't bother voting him at all. You're setting yourself up for a waste of time and potentially a Get Out of Scum Hunting Free Card.

@Crypto: If one of them pops town, then that means you have other suspicions than just connections. Care to share them?

SPS I find individually scummy for his Nico case, and his post 241 smells funny. That post is also the basis for that scum pair, but it's counteracted by post 253, which features SPS-scum sucking up to SFG-town.

I still have to sort out my conflicting SFG reads.

[crypto]

@Sniper

Sorry did not know how to bold it.

I vote

Horrordude0215

.

Was this because you didn't know

how

to bold text, or because you didn't know you were

supposed

to bold it.

[crypto]

FACK DAMN QUESTION MARK!?!??!!

[crypto]

Holy shucking fit. Horrible. I'll start flaming Furry tomorrow. You get a front row seat this time, Nicodemus.

[crypto]

@crypto, why are you accusing me of trying to get out of scumhunting when at least volume/effort wise I've done more scumhunting than more than half the town? That makes no sense.

I'm saying you may be setting yourself to get out of scum hunting. I don't think you are currently active-lurking.

[crypto]

(17) - What is the point of this survey?

For reference.

All I see is noise potential (also correct answers to 5-8 are yes, yes [in nearly all instances], no, no. There is no debating this. If everyone followed those, town would win far more games)

I strongly disagree with your stance on Lynch All Lurkers. Ta-da, debate! (Hopefully we can agree not to have said theory debate in-game.)

(43) - Someone understands baseless wagoning. That said it makes him probably town.

Town are more likely than scum to wagon in RVS? Oh,

really

?

(53) - No seriously. This is a bad vote. I can come up with at least some justification to vote three or four people here, SPS is not one of those.

I came up with some justification. Also, you're wrong.

(61) - Scum or inability to understand usefullness of bandwagons? Interested to see how this develops as the game continues.

Neither. My turn: Scum or inability to grasp the concepts that (1) utter lack of content is anti-town and often scummy and (2) not all wagon votes are equal?

Too many newbies now adays completely fail to understand this.

Is this referring to me?

(115) - Waiting for reasoning here, always love it when a scum read wants a town read dead.

Reasoning's been given.

(118) - What is the point of this question?

1. Why do you want to know? (See, I'm doing the same thing here.)
2. Why do you find it scummy? (Or don't you?)
3. What does whether or not I have a reason have to do with my alignment?
4. The point of the question? Odds are it has something to do with the last line of post immediately above . . .

(124/128) - I still want an answer to why you asked (118). This isnt one.

In my defense, sir, I didn't say 118 was an answer.

(crypto 180/181) - This policy?

Huh?

Also explain your read here. You seem to just wave your hand and expect us to get it. What other site meta are you looking for though.

I don't have a town read on Sniper. I'm very cautiously leaning scum. I was trying to ease up and hint at a null/town read, because I figured that he'd be more likely to guilelessly answer my question if he felt comfortable. (It's worked before.) But he refused, so what the fuck.

(crypto 208) - Having a similar thought process is usually somewhat indiciative of similar alignment. Go back and look at your past games, people you agree with usually share an alignment.

Yes, "somewhat." A very, very perilous "somewhat." I don't need to go back and look at my past games, thanks very much: Off the top of my head, I can recall plenty of instances where scum have agreed with me.

SPS is town

Hmm, how to answer this?

Waiting for reasoning here, always love it when a scum read wants a

town

scum read

dead

alive.

[crypto]

(slides Nicodemus toward scum read)

[crypto]

Sniper, are you KingTwelveSixteen? If not, are you from Kongregate or Trench Wars?

Now's the time to answer, before one of us hammers your ass.

[crypto]

Wow.

Sorry for flaking out guys. Never thought I'd see the day. I'd've technically flaked out of another game too if I hadn't been night-killed first. Never thought I'd see the day.

SPS . . . Well played. Actually I can't think of any person on this game who didn't play well.

[crypto]

SPS . . . Well played. Actually I can't think of any person on this game who didn't play well.

what?

Oh, that's right, I forgot about you.

[crypto]

Yeah, I'm not gonna roll over and die just cause town wants to be stupid and tunnel. Sorry.

PS, check MD for a discussion of this very game.

Not even if I'm tunneling?

[crypto]