Mafia 109 - A Glitch in time - Game Over!

[Parama]

Welp.
You're calling me out for posting without saying anything whilst doing twice that yourself.
You're calling me out on a lack of a case when your MaB/Pulindar case is even weaker. (Plus, you never really gave evidence)

Everything about your post is wrong. I'm

not

calling you out for posting without saying anything. My case is

not

weaker than yours because do you even have a "case"?

Indeed I do. I posted my reasons and I've given the evidence to back them up. I mean, they kinda got scattered all over the place since you've been posting too much but

[Ythan]

:eyebrow:

You attacked Para because, and I quote:

No I'm just going to continue to push the case that (among other things) you're not backing up your own cases.

So why are you so unwilling to back up your own cases, Ythan?

Unfortunately for what would otherwise be a really nice rebuttal I'm not.

[Parama]

Pulindar case.
Now. Reason + Evidence.

[Ythan]

Welp.
You're calling me out for posting without saying anything whilst doing twice that yourself.
You're calling me out on a lack of a case when your MaB/Pulindar case is even weaker. (Plus, you never really gave evidence)

Everything about your post is wrong. I'm

not

calling you out for posting without saying anything. My case is

not

weaker than yours because do you even have a "case"?

Indeed I do. I posted my reasons and I've given the evidence to back them up. I mean, they kinda got scattered all over the place since you've been posting too much but

Yeah no. Well technically it would be called evidence but that's not going to cut it.

[Ythan]

Repost for me so I don't have to look at other pages.

Yeah..

[camn]

Guys, stop posting so much.

Guess I should read up.

Don't bother.
Just refer to my recent Player-by-player, and start playing from NOW.

seriously.
All of today has been a waste of internets.
And we need you.

[Parama]

Like I said, I will WALL-O-TEXT up my case tomorrow. And I assure you I can do it - I did such twice in another game (that's currently ongoing though also happens to be a large game). And I have plenty to go on in this game. Clergy's posts, other player's posts concerning Clergy, stuff like that. There's 29 pages here.

[Ythan]

Then I'll stop telling you to support your case, tomorrow, when you do it.

[Parama]

And considering I first mentioned doing this several pages ago, I am assuming you haven't been reading closely enough.

[Ythan]

MaB iso

0 You want RVS to be as big a waste a time as possible?
1 I don't see this request following from slow loading times.
5 So you're useless and we should kill you instead of a contributing potential townie?
6 So you're useless and we should kill you instead of a contributing potential townie?
8 Deflecting the case on you by pointing out that Nik pushed against you is scummy.
9 Yes there's a wagon on you and for good reason.
11 They very well could, when stacked up with your idiotic actions.
13 Pitiful attempt? Die scum.

affirm vote

Here's this. I'll expound in it where necessary and update it as is sorely needed.

Parama. I know you mentioned it. Even the post where you did was terrible. And do you honestly expect to get out of it by saying "I'll do it tomorrow"?

[Parama]

I don't expect to get out of it. I am going to do it tomorrow. I don't have time for it right now.

[Ythan]

But I assure you there's enough for me to go on for a full-fledged case. I'm just too lazy to do it.

And here's what you said, Para.

[Ythan]

0 You want RVS to be as big a waste a time as possible?

Not scummy. Still felt like saying it.

1 I don't see this request following from slow loading times.

Still don't. Not terribly significant but I don't see how it's any easier to wait for someone else to frame the thread for you so you don't have to do any work. Any easier on your searching anyway, certainly makes it easier to blend it.

5 So you're useless and we should kill you instead of a contributing potential townie?

He as good as said it himself.

6 So you're useless and we should kill you instead of a contributing potential townie?

Here too. He's pretty much just wriggling out of responsibility to do anything pro-town.

8 Deflecting the case on you by pointing out that Nik pushed against you is scummy.

This one is pretty plain. He says that he's not scum because Nik attacked him rather than touching the accusations.

9 Yes there's a wagon on you and for good reason.

Not terribly meaningful but neither is the "Looks like I have votes on me" post he made.

11 They very well could, when stacked up with your idiotic actions.

Yes a case against you can include your buddy's "idiotic actions" as he first put it. Deflection.

13 Pitiful attempt? Die scum.

Still rather than address the case just calls it pitiful.

Next is the update part.

[Yosarian2]

How what things are suspect? I don't even know what "things" you find suspicious about his play. You babbled something about the random voting stage and something about how "defelcting the wagon on you by saying Nik was attacking is scummy" (which is just a terrible argument, btw), and that's it.

Iso I posted about him.

That's really all you're going to do, is again reference that terrible ISO I just quoted without explaining your thought process at all, huh?

And if you want to get specific about how that's not a good argument I'd love to hear your case that there's nothing wrong with his "I'm not scum the scum attacked me" defense. It's deflection, and deflection is deflection.

No, it's not "deflection", actually. It's a defense. Deflection would be "supporting another bandwagon to derail your own", and that might be scummy, depending. Defending yourself isn't scummy.

Wait, what?

The point of making a case is A. to convince other people, B. to get a response so you can read the person better, and C. so other people can read you.

Again, like you said, this is kind of how mafia is supposed to work. You refused to explain yourself to the replacement, and now you're refusing to explain yourself to me.

Actually did explain myself to the replacement. Explained plenty far enough.

You explained what an ISO is and what the numbers mean. You completly failed to make a case, though.

You're the one who's so convinced he's scum, and you clearly have huge amounts of time on your hands; why is it that you're incapable of quoting a few posts of his and saying "These posts are scummy because of X"?

Technically, there's no reason to think I have more time but only that I'm using it more thoroughly (arguable but eh). More to the point, that was what my iso was for and do you really want me to go into more detail over it?

YES, I DO WANT YOU TO GO INTO MORE DETAIL ABOUT WHY YOU THINK HE IS SCUMMY. THAT IS THE ENTIRE POINT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE.

Ythan, if you are a pro-town person and convinced person X is scum, you should be GLAD to go into as much detail as necessary to explain why person X is scum and to get everyone else to follow you. I don't know why it feels like I'm pulling teeth here to get you to make a case, but it's frustrating.

[Ythan]

If you're just going to keep saying you don't like my case then expect me to just not give a shit. I've posted plenty of evidence for myself and unless you're going to actually address a specific point there's nothing to argue apart from how much you like it.

[camn]

I have a serious question for you Ythan..

Why do you think you will die tonight?

[Yosarian2]

0 You want RVS to be as big a waste a time as possible?

Not scummy. Still felt like saying it.

1 I don't see this request following from slow loading times.

Still don't. Not terribly significant but I don't see how it's any easier to wait for someone else to frame the thread for you so you don't have to do any work. Any easier on your searching anyway, certainly makes it easier to blend it.

Ok, so these 2 points are pretty meaningless.

5 So you're useless and we should kill you instead of a contributing potential townie?

He as good as said it himself.

6 So you're useless and we should kill you instead of a contributing potential townie?

Here too. He's pretty much just wriggling out of responsibility to do anything pro-town.

Now that I go back and find those posts, this is reasonable. I agree, he wasn't doing enough, and I especially don't like hte way he didn't want to comment on the Nik wagon. I wish you had quoted the posts like I asked you, since then I would have figured out what you were trying to say a while ago.

8 Deflecting the case on you by pointing out that Nik pushed against you is scummy.

This one is pretty plain. He says that he's not scum because Nik attacked him rather than touching the accusations.[/b

Ok. How is that scummy?

9 Yes there's a wagon on you and for good reason.

Not terribly meaningful but neither is the "Looks like I have votes on me" post he made.

Ok, meaningless.

11 They very well could, when stacked up with your idiotic actions.

Yes a case against you can include your buddy's "idiotic actions" as he first put it. Deflection.

It's a bad defense, but it's still not "deflection".

13 Pitiful attempt? Die scum.

Still rather than address the case just calls it pitiful.

Ok, so again, not a scumtell.

So, yeah; you didn't make much of a case here. The only valid points you made were 5 and 6, and that was just lack of content. You could have made a strong case, you just...didn't. I was trying to figure out why you think he's scummy, and I'm still confused.

If you're just going to keep saying you don't like my case then expect me to just not give a shit. I've posted plenty of evidence for myself and unless you're going to actually address a specific point there's nothing to argue apart from how much you like it.

Where the hell did that come from?

I was just pointing out that it would have been better if you'd made a case, given some evidence, and explained why you were so tunneled on him. I don't know why you've made such a big deal about this...

[Ythan]

Nor do I know why you've made such a big deal out of this.

[Ythan]

I don't know why you've made such a big deal about this...

Nor do I know why you've made such a big deal out of this.

As we seem to have reached a consensus on something shall we leave it at that as far as the big deal goes?

[Ythan]

In my previous, smaller games, responding to everything while online didn't become a problem. With 17 players it has gotten out of hand. My bad.

[Yosarian2]

Nor do I know why you've made such a big deal out of this.

Basically, if I'm town and I'm trying to lynch someone, and someone else comes in and asks me why, I'm glad to have the chance to make my case and explain myself, and try to make clear to everyone why person X is scum and needs to die.

Your response has been "I've already explained why he's scum, I don't need to explain it again", and you kept repeating that even in the face of multiple people who either didn't agree you had already explained yourself or didn't understand your explanation. I find that to be really strange. Part of me is wondering if you were trying to make a huge deal about voting him but didn't really want to convince anyone else to follow you for some reason.

[Ythan]

I expect my theories to be attacked along specific lines that can thereafter be discussed clearly rather than just generally.

[Ythan]

That is to say, if you just say "I don't like it" or "provide more evidence" what do you expect? What don't you like? What do you want to see more explicitly supported?

[Kmd4390]

FUUUUUCKK.

Lost my post. Up to Page 26. Well, Ythan scum. Parama scum. Serial/Hoop scum. Pulindar, scummy at first, but then town. Anon some scummy things but not extremely bad. Mae, bout the same level as Anon. That's about it. Not gonna remake that whole damn post. Any specific questions, post 'em and I'll answer. Need to read after 26 still.

[Kmd4390]

Just refer to my recent Player-by-player, and start playing from NOW.

Can you quote it for me please?