Mafia 913: Wickedestjr's Mafia - Game Over

[Jazzmyn]

don't have much to say to you (you find me scummy, how surprising), can't really defend vague accusations.

Yeah, when you exhibit scummy play, it shouldn't be too surprising that others find you scummy. And the accusations against you aren't vague, but specific: "Cruelty: Exhibits all kinds of scummy behaviour from lack of participation, dodgy votes without reasons, promising things and not delivering, wishy washy stances, fence-sitting, disappearing for several days after saying he would up his activity, etc. Scummy."

That you pretend otherwise is another point against you.

And yes, it does sometimes matter to me who is on a wagon; e.g.: if that wagon includes more than one player who I have a scummy read on, it gives me pause. I agree that it isn't necessarily the strongest tool in the arsenal, but it's a tool nonetheless.

I also note that Zang hasn't posted anything at all in his own defence since being put at L-1 several real life days ago. Now, he did say that he would have limited access for a week, but that was 8 days ago and since his last post in this game four days ago, he has posted in another game and he has posted multiple edits to his Wiki.

That's another point against him.

I don't want to end the day, though, if there are outstanding responses/questions/observations that anyone wants to make, and if Zang is genuinely afk.

Vote: Cruelty

Regards,
Jazz

[Wickedestjr]

Happy birthday mod!

Thank you!

[Wickedestjr]

Votecount 20:

Zang - (4) - StrangerCoug, Vivi57, Fat_Tony, cruelty
cruelty - (4) - Jack, Zhero, Zang, Jazzmyn

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: March 5th.

[Zang]

Zang is newbscum. Almost certain. Newbtown does not skulk, ask useless questions and bandwagon like that. He is also ridiculously self preserving at times. Vivi and Quin are more what I'd read as newbtown. I am prepared to end the day with a Zang lynch if noone has any serious objections.

1. I'm not newbscum I'm newbtown.

2. How am I skulking?

3. When did I ask useless questions?

4. I will admit to bandwagoning during day 1 but recently I think that I am very carefull with my vote.

5. I will also admit to self preservation, but is it bad for a townie to want to stay alive? And how is it ridiculous?

SIR CYANIDE was probably scum. He deflected all over the place, and dropped accusations on Quin for no real reason. He also deflected and posted irrelevancies a lot. I am also slightly curious as to why he wasn't modkilled along with Quin.

I do agree with this but his replacement does not seem as bad.

24 - Jack softclaims cop... what?

this is all you have to say about it!? In my opinion it was one of the most important events in the game.

70 - Zang - net cast far too wide. Siding with SC. Probscum

I do not understand what you are saying but I do not see anything wrong with this post.

82 - Zang refuses to take a stance again
89 - Zang makes Odd vote on Cyan. Still probscum.

you criticize me of making an "odd" vote right after you say that I refuse to take a stance? I see nothing wrong with the vote, how is it odd?

170 - Self preservation from Zang

look above

220 - Zang is still scum

just saying this does not explain or prove anything

236 - Zang unvotes?!

why do you sound so surprised?

269 - ~~Zang is a stallin'~~

how?

309 - Zang is still scum.

once again, saying this is not explaining/proving anything

409 - What the fuck kind of iso is this, Zang? Misspelling your name deserves a lynch? Silly scum is silly. Hammers...

I admit that it wasn't my best iso ever and isos aren't all scumtells, I put that in for comedic relief.

[StrangerCoug]

5. I will also admit to self preservation, but is it bad for a townie to want to stay alive? And how is it ridiculous?

If I were to advocate that town never wants to stay alive, I'd be speedlynched; however, the highest it should be on town's agenda is second, behind scumhunting. I can think of a couple roles where best play would make it lower than that.

409 - What the fuck kind of iso is this, Zang? Misspelling your name deserves a lynch? Silly scum is silly. Hammers...

I admit that it wasn't my best iso ever and isos aren't all scumtells, I put that in for comedic relief.

Would somebody convince me that comedic relief belongs in Mafia please?

[Zang]

If I were to advocate that town never wants to stay alive, I'd be speedlynched; however, the highest it should be on town's agenda is second, behind scumhunting. I can think of a couple roles where best play would make it lower than that.

I could think of some too, to bad Im not any of them. And I don't think that Ive been putting staying alive a head of scumhunting.

Would somebody convince me that comedic relief belongs in Mafia please?

mafia is a serious game with serious players and sometimes I feel like I have to remind people that mafia is just a game.

[Leafsnail]

3. When did I ask useless questions?

why do you sound so surprised?

Heheheh.

Zang has done nothing except gone through my list and flatly denied every point. None of his own suspicions (he doesn't really seem to have any reason for voting Cruelty other than to put him at L-1). You also played the newb card (bad) have dismissed an argument that was clearly serious as a "joke" (very bad) and seem to care about nothing except self preservation, going through my notes with ctrl+f and your name.

Therefore I feel it is time to end the day.

Vote: Zang.

[Zang]

Congradulations! on another mislynch well done!

[Fat_Tony]

Mislynch perhaps, but I'd rather lynch someone who provides zero meaningful analysis and be wrong than someone who contributes and still be wrong. Still, I would like to say "bugger"...

Jazzmyns point about cruelty now seems pertinent. If he isn't nk'd then I will support a cruelty lynch d3.

Looks like my concerns were right, too. Balls.

[StrangerCoug]

Scummy players don't tend to get NK'd unless there's a vig, Fat_Tony, so I'm assuming you have Jazzmyn's gender wrong, which should be obvious...

[Fat_Tony]

Scummy players don't tend to get NK'd unless there's a vig, Fat_Tony, so I'm assuming you have Jazzmyn's gender wrong, which should be obvious...

Or I made a simple typo, and you're a smartass. Either way.

We've already lost one townie through ad hominem bullshit, Coug, don't start provoking more people.

[Fat_Tony]

EBWOP - actually, no, what i typed originally was right. I take your point that scummy players don't tend to be NKed

sans

vig, but I intended to say what I said.

However, you've now given scum a new gambit, whereby they can NK cruelty and cast suspicion of a vig.

Congratulations, Coug, you just made my scumlist.

[Zhero]

Jazzmyns point about cruelty now seems pertinent.

Mm, which point? I'm not seeing the relevance to Zang's flip.

[Jack]

EBWOP - actually, no, what i typed originally was right. I take your point that scummy players don't tend to be NKed

sans

vig, but I intended to say what I said.

However, you've now given scum a new gambit, whereby they can NK cruelty and cast suspicion of a vig.

Congratulations, Coug, you just made my scumlist.

What the heck?

I'm actually dropping Coug from my scum list. He can be very scummy as town.

[Fat_Tony]

Jazzmyns point about cruelty now seems pertinent.

Mm, which point? I'm not seeing the relevance to Zang's flip.

Jazzmyn noted that her other two scumreads, cruelty and vivi, were on zang's wagon.

@Jack - how does potentially giving scum ideas get someone off your scumlist?

[Jack]

The only way you can give scum ideas is if you aren't scum.

But I dropped him off my list because of another game.

[Leafsnail]

Y'know, Zang hasn't actually flipped yet.

However, you've now given scum a new gambit, whereby they can NK cruelty and cast suspicion of a vig.

I don't think this would happen if he were town - the possibility of mislynching him would be too great for the scum to ignore.

Jack, if Coug can be scummy as town, what would he look like as scum?

[Jack]

I'm feeling that zang will flip scum. His "congratulations on a mislynch well done" feels fakey, like he said it because he saw how TBM's was believed.

Jack, if Coug can be scummy as town, what would he look like as scum?

We enter null tell territory here.

[StrangerCoug]

Scummy players don't tend to get NK'd unless there's a vig, Fat_Tony, so I'm assuming you have Jazzmyn's gender wrong, which should be obvious...

Or I made a simple typo, and you're a smartass. Either way.

We've already lost one townie through ad hominem bullshit, Coug, don't start provoking more people.

You're implying that I choose how people react to me, which you should have been taught in elementary school is not true. Nobody said people had to be impolite after I pressured them. This game has some of the most cutthroat players I've seen. Can I help that? No. I can

ENCOURAGE

something, but it's up to the other people whether to do what I'm encouraging people to do.

However, you've now given scum a new gambit, whereby they can NK cruelty and cast suspicion of a vig.

Even so, can they get the vig mislynched? If Zang flips town, there must be some way of stopping all the kills and it must actually work. At that point, we will be in seven-person LYLO or MYLO and the vig claimant, assuming believable claims, becomes the worst lynch conceivable.

I'm actually dropping Coug from my scum list. He can be very scummy as town.

I know what I am, but this is for your own good: Do you realize what you are doing by taking me out of lynch consideration just because I always act in a certain manner? I can think of two of my own reliable scum tells. If I am interpreting Jazzmyn correctly, she thinks I am more sponteaneous when I am town and more calculating when I am scum.

[Wickedestjr]

Votecount 21:

Zang - (5) - StrangerCoug, Vivi57, Fat_Tony, cruelty, Leafsnail
cruelty - (4) - Jack, Zhero, Zang, Jazzmyn


Zang,

Town Neighbor

, lynched day 2.

Night 2 begins now. The deadline for all night actions is February 29.

[Wickedestjr]

StrangerCoug,

Doctor,

killed night 2.

Day 3 begins now.

With 7 alive it will take 4 to lynch.

Deadline: March 31.

[Leafsnail]

If you think he's scum, he's probably the doctor... I guess.

Jack

. Your posthammer exchange in which you marked Coug as town is now looking very suspicious. You gave no real reason for your change of mind (other than "meta?"), and couldn't tell me what, if anything, would make you think scum on him.

[Fat_Tony]

OK, that fucking sucked. My scumdar says Jack or cruelty at this point. Jack trying to make himself valuable to the town by "correctly predicting" that Coug was town is dodgy as hell, and I already thought he was scummy, so this reinforces it.

I

vote: Jack

[Leafsnail]

Actually,

unvote

. This is Lynch or Lose. I don't want a scum quickhammer.

I'd still like Jack to answer accusations however.

[Fat_Tony]

Good point well made Leafsnail. However, my vote stays.