Newbie 920: Mafia in Newbietown (Game over! Town wins!)

[Unsight]

Come on McGriddle, please be aggressive. I really wanna see the McGriddle Smash.

[McGriddle]

So, why do it?

Out of frustration and annoyance lol

[Netopalis]

So, out of frustration and annoyance, you *don't* attack?

Very intervesting...Tell me, do joo have anzy other mental izuzes that ve should be concerned about?

[McGriddle]

So, out of frustration and annoyance, you *don't* attack?

Very intervesting...Tell me, do joo have anzy other mental izuzes that ve should be concerned about?

huh? No I am aggressive out of frustration. When I try to investigate and test people, I am calm and respectful about it.

[Unsight]

Very intervesting...Tell me, do joo have anzy other mental izuzes that ve should be concerned about?

"So that's 1 + 2 + 2 +..."

[Netopalis]

Nice - somebody got the Clue avatar.

McGriddle - Ok, I think I get it now. Of course, this was really just a sideshow - the main event is yet to come.

[Legions]

Well, I don't want to tip my hand on my opening moves too much yet, but Legions. Still, I want to wait and hear from Carl Sagan and FluffyGiggles before I continue.

But I love ya man. Why is this exactly? Maybe I can explain myself?

[Netopalis]

Oh, don't worry, I'll give you plenty of time to respond. I might not even push for your lynch at all. Still waiting on the others before I explain anything, though, I don't want my opinions to infect theirs too much.

[Legions]

I see, I see. I'm trying my best to keep up with what's going on. People are much more active around here than what I'm used to (which is a good thing without a doubt).

[Netopalis]

Good, good. Yeah, this does seem to be a very eager and active town. Just do your best, and that's all we can ask for. I would ask, though, that you get an avatar...You can do that in your "profile" page, linked from the top of the screen.

[Zachrulez]

3rd vote count of day 1:

Netopalis - 1 (Mcgriddle)

Not voting (Julano, Fiyr, mariomaster777, Carl Sagan, FluffyGiggles, Legions, Unsight , Netopalis)

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch.

If I made any mistakes, let me know asap.

DL is March 16 at 9am central.

[Fiyr]

Oh, don't worry, I'll give you plenty of time to respond. I might not even push for your lynch at all. Still waiting on the others before I explain anything, though, I don't want my opinions to infect theirs too much.

wait, aren't you trying to convince us your views are right? Or are you waiting on Carl Sagan and FluffyGiggles?

I don't really have good answers to some of those questions myself so more answers are always welcome.

And my SE doesn't mean "Semi-Experienced," it means "Super Excited."

I like your avatar by the way. ^_^

heh, me too then, that'd make me SE!

Thanks, i drew it myself

[Fiyr]

Whoops, i probably should have asked this before i did it, but no one minds if i use nicknames right?

[Netopalis]

Yeah, waiting on Carl "A Glorious Dawn" Sagan and FluffyGiggles. And, that's quite impressive! I wish I could draw...anything .

[Fiyr]

Yeah, waiting on Carl "A Glorious Dawn" Sagan and FluffyGiggles. And, that's quite impressive! I wish I could draw...anything .

Thanks!

Also, I have a question.
I have seen many games where someone is accused of tunneling. Is tunneling really a scummy thing? It seems more like plain bad play to me. If it is a scum read how can you tell when someone is really tunneling?

[Fiyr]

Heh, thanks. Just doing my job. Of course,

several

of you won't be thanking me in a few days, given that I *am* going to have to start attacking somebody...

You say "several" but there are only two mafia in an F11 or are you including the people you're shooting at night?

Do you only attack two people each game, Unsight?

[Netopalis]

Tunneling can be seen as scummy because if you tunnel hard enough against someone, they'll start looking like scum even if they're not. Note that this is different from continuing to press someone on an unclear or illogical point. I once ran a 24-page argument against a player as town, and ended up being right - that wasn't scummy tunneling because there were illogical inconsistencies and scummy actions there to begin with, and his responses were making things worse. So, in short, it can be scummy, but it's not always scummy. That's really the case with almost all of the tells that get thrown around, there are usually both pro-town reasons and scummy reasons to do them, which is why I advocate looking at the motive rather than looking at the action.

[Fiyr]

You back away from pressuring someone when they give good, logical answers to your questions.

Also, OMGUS is a scumtell in and of itself. And sure, it might seem that it's just bandwagon fishing, but really, it's just an attempt to see where the cracks are in the scumteam. Of course, if you think that I am trying to just find a bandwagon which is gaining momentum, you should point that out.

It may very well be that I *am* scum.

OMGUS: Oh My God! You Suck!. Usually used in the context of an 'OMGUS vote' - i.e. a vote for someone purely on the basis that they are voting for you.

I can see how OMGUS is scummy but i don't get that post. how is OMGUS bandwagon fishing?[/u]

[Fiyr]

You back away from pressuring someone when they give good, logical answers to your questions.

Also, OMGUS is a scumtell in and of itself. And sure, it might seem that it's just bandwagon fishing, but really, it's just an attempt to see where the cracks are in the scumteam. Of course, if you think that I am trying to just find a bandwagon which is gaining momentum, you should point that out.

It may very well be that I *am* scum.

OMGUS: Oh My God! You Suck!. Usually used in the context of an 'OMGUS vote' - i.e. a vote for someone purely on the basis that they are voting for you.

I can see how OMGUS is scummy but i don't get that post. how is OMGUS bandwagon fishing?[/u]

I think i misphrased this./misasked. I don't get how OMGUS factored in that whole coversation.

sorry if i'm confusing anyone

[Netopalis]

Fiyr: There were two questions presented by Unsight:


How do you back away from pressuring someone without creating an OMGUS vote back against you?

Also, it seems like if you pressure too many people then it might look like you're just trying to see what bandwagon gains momentum.



My answer is actually two separate answers:


You back away from pressuring someone when they give good, logical answers to your questions. Also, OMGUS is a scumtell in and of itself.

And sure, it might seem that it's just bandwagon fishing, but really, it's just an attempt to see where the cracks are in the scumteam. Of course, if you think that I am trying to just find a bandwagon which is gaining momentum, you should point that out. It may very well be that I *am* scum.


Sorry about that. The way that I wrote it was confusing...I had an inkling that I had probably made a mistake in the post, but I wasn't quite sure where. I have a tendency to be a bit unclear at times.

[Fiyr]

that's ok, i'll probably do that too.

[Netopalis]

So. Cats?

[Fiyr]

So. Cats?

~_~

I don't get this either! Is this in refrence to my signature?

*_*

[Netopalis]

Yep. Just wondering...

[FluffyGiggles]

Solved day 1. High five!

*Subtly ignores the fact that FlufflyGiggles has said nothing either, but because of the awesome username will never be voted for by me.*

Much appreciated my good man.

Alright. Questions to all players:

1) What experience, if any, do you have in playing the game of Mafia?
2) Please describe your playstyle. Do you feel that you are more biased towards logic or gut? How would you describe your reasoning process?
3) Why do you play Mafia?
4) Is it an African Swallow or a European Swallow?
5) Would you prefer playing as town or as scum? Why?
6) Would you agree with the statement, "Lynch all Liars"? Why? How about the statement "You appear to be too townie, therefore you must be scum" or "Never lynch a claimed power role on the same day that the player claims"?

I will be giving my answers after everybody else has answered, as to avoid biasing the answers of everybody else.

1) Er ... I spent some time reading the wiki -_-
2) Time will tell, although voodoo magic could be involved.
3) Looks fun.
4) It's not a swallow, it's a nightingale.
5) See 2.
6a) 'most, just in case they produce a really good excuse for it', not 'all'
b) That makes no sense whatsoever.
c) Absolutes are bad. But not always. You'd have to factor in how suspicious the player's been acting, etc.

I have questions too!

A) If you're pro-town and someone else that is pro-town votes to lynch you, is someone playing badly? If so, who?
B) If you were pro-town and were almost certainly going to be lynched, what would you do?
C) Under what circumstances is it okay to list or not list your suspects?
D) When someone votes a new suspect, should that person explain why they unvoted their old suspect too?
E) If someone doesn't answer a question, does that make them scum, scummy, or just annoying?

1) All depends on circumstance.
2) Make an effort to avoid the noose I suppose. Precise actions depend on circumstance and alignment. And perhaps begin preparing an elaborately sophisticated but scathing 'bah' post.
3) Usually okay, but I'm sure there's a circumstance out there which would make it not okay to list your suspects.
4) An explanation would be nice, yes. Explanations are usually good.
5) It makes them a stupidface.