Pick Your Power II - Looks like the wine is gone (SCUM WIN)

[Faraday]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 7

Hoopla

- 1 - Socrates - (L-6)

Socrates

- 3 - Ellibereth, DocPotter, Jack - (L-4)

Players not voting: curiouskarmadog, Devotress, Faraday, Fate, Hoopla, StrangerCoug, The1fifi, TonyMontana, wolframnhart

Do you really want the scum to know that you're a town bomb?

Wut.

Is this such an obscure role that I have to put it in big red letters? If the scum knows you're a bomb, they'll likely get around it by not NK'ing you. It is also very possible that they'll try to get you mislynched so they can take out two townies in one day. Socrates fakeclaiming to try to draw the NK makes sense except for the role faked.

So basically it makes no sense at all then when we take everything into account.
He could have easily claimed a cop with no guilties ya know.

[StrangerCoug]

I am not saying that Socrates's gambit is completely flawed. Yes, there's a specific flaw that makes me hesitant to believe it, but other than that, the attempt to draw the NK fits with Socrates being a town bomb.

[Hoopla]

The only way Socrates is vig is if you're the scum governor or scum cop, Fate. There's no way scum would have picked up cop

and

governor at 7th or lower in the draft. Why would scum waste a mid-range draft pick trying for cop, when there are plenty of other great scum-roles out there (see; rolecop, roleblocker, empowerer etc.)

The only way this gambit works is if scum have all three roles (cop, vig, governor). They're probably not going to get these roles without a 1/2 draft combination. Socrates is probably the cop.

There is no way scum would have done this fake-guilty ploy if they didn't have the cop.

Regardless, Socrates is scum, and massclaiming now won't help us find the Vig. Lynch Socrates, pressure the likely vigs tommorow.

I don't know if lynch Socrates is the best town move right now. It feels like we're just playing into scum's hands. They would have

known

what was going to happen if Socrates did this - I can tell you now, it wasn't just a, 'hey, i'm cop lol! lets lynch pom' thing. There must be a reason why they are doing this.

My theory is they are trying to buy enough time keeping the vig hidden, so that double kills can take them home. 'Cop guilty result'/'cop found lying' are fundamental railroaded plays that chew up two days with the net result of 1 scum for 5 townies, but more importantly keeping the vig (and possibly governor) hidden. Scum would have known the numbers, and they could have deemed this a risk-free way of ensuring the vig isn't found, as town have no options but to play by the book.

But we need to ditch that now if we want to have any chance of winning. We're probably already too far behind, but if we don't find the vig now, we won't win. Simple as that, sorry. Provide reasoning why Socrates

could

be the vig and I'll play along.

[Ellibereth]

Socrates is 100% scum.
I will say nothing more on the matter.

[Jack]

Socrates was going to be lynched because everyone figured scum was vig. That's why he claimed cop with a guilty.

Nine townies dead-->8 townies 5 mafia living. Lynching a townie is almost guaranteed a scum win.

A mass claim helps us more tomorrow. Today it just lets the mafia know who to kill. Even if the governor was someone really scummy, they could prevent their own lynch just as easy, so switching to them instead of soc wouldn't do any good.

[DocPotter]

unvote

Claim:

Vanila town.

But that's not important.

Anyone who has played with me recently, or if the search worked, would know that I get lynched a lot early on. I'm improving btw but.

Because of that I tried for Vengeful Townie.

Someone above me has it.

Scum Soc claiming cop having Vengeful is a distinct posibility.

Currently we have 8 town and 5 scum
Lynch a scum vengeful and assuming we don't stop a NK we get:
5 town and 4 scum. At which we have to lynch the vig or we're done.
Mis-lynch and we have 5 and 5 for a scum win.
Lynch other scum and we have 6 and 4.
lynch the vig and we have 7 and 4.

Scum Soc is trying to attract a lynch so he could well be the vengeful.

For that to be likely, the scum must have the first two picks because it's obvious they have the vig as well.

Vote Fate

With a scum TM as my outside chance for a low level pick-up of cop or vig.

[Fate]

DocPotter we all agreed if we mislynch today, we're done.

Socrates is scum. Is he vengeful? Maybe. Does scum have a governor? Maybe. Is he a Vig? More likely, but not guaranteed.

If scum have Vig, Cop, Governor like Hoopla foretold, there's not much more we can do. Governor will stop

any

correct scum lynch, and any mislynch we're dead.

I don't know if lynch Socrates is the best town move right now. It feels like we're just playing into scum's hands. They would have known what was going to happen if Socrates did this - I can tell you now, it wasn't just a, 'hey, i'm cop lol! lets lynch pom' thing. There must be a reason why they are doing this.

Like I said, if we are playing into scum's hands it is already too late. SC and DP just seem like scum trying to work your theory against us, which makes me hopeful Socrates is the vig.

I'll vote Socrates when I get back from work tonight.

[The1fifi]

Seriously... how can you even consider socrates theory? His posting style changed a lot, and it all seems bull shit to me. He fakeclaimed and cost us another mislynch.

Fos

StrangerCoug for seeming to "believe" in socrates and Doc for voting Fate(????).

Unvote

Vote Socrates

[Fate]

unvote

Claim:

Vanila town.

But that's not important.

Anyone who has played with me recently, or if the search worked, would know that I get lynched a lot early on. I'm improving btw but.

Because of that I tried for Vengeful Townie.

Someone above me has it.

Hmm the more I read this the more I don't like it. Seems like another gambit to mislead town. Based on my D1 play, isn't it more likely that I'm vengeful scum?

I also don't like your explanation. No one asked you why you picked Vengeful, yet you provided at as if to stave off any suspicion.

[Ellibereth]

Everyone needs to shut up and lynch Socrates. If scum have enough power roles wer'e screwed either way.

[Fate]

We're lynching him, rest assured. Just, once again, want to extend the day for power roles to get their actions in.

[Ellibereth]

Hammer. Trust me on this one. I would rather miss a few town power roles then let all the scum powerroles in.

[Fate]

meh, I was going to wait until I got back from work... Maybe we can get Spyrex in here before I leave.

Vote: Socrates

[DocPotter]

Because Fate, why I chose it is logical for the way my games had been going.
I mention it because it fits with the way that Socrates has been playing this day.

Whereas, you have 9 votes day 1, 7 of which were on town, drove a mis-lynch day 2 unvoting to then hammer, Hammered day 3, and threw your vote at Soc for 1 post. Hammered twice after delaying. Waiting for ton PR's to send PM's or scum buddies?

Buddy up to Hoopla who says that lynchign Soc might not be towns best move, call me scum for saying that lynching Soc might not be towns best move. I really love the contradiction in your post.

One thing about those little scenarios. Lynching scum two nights running is still good for town. So thanks for reacting Fate, confirming yourself as scum to my mind.

If the vengeful lynchee is in townie hands, then they need to claim.

Unvote Fate, vote Soc

Fate next.

[DocPotter]

*EBWOP, it: ie, me knowing it's above me

[Fate]

Heading to work, then. If Socrates doesn't flip Vig...

. I don't think Socrates would take the risk that I would grab vig and let someone lower take it, so I'm pretty confident he is.

If he's not:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 38&start=0

Draft List

Socrates (12,1)
Fate (13,4)

Jack (7,2)

FeFiFoFum (7,11)

StrangerCoug (3,1)

The1fifi (3,7)

wolframnhart (3,7)

Devotress (8,3)
Porkens (8,9)

DocPotter (8,10)

Ellibereth (1,2)
Dramonic (1,1)
Hoopla (1,1)
TonyMontana (1,1)
Farside (6,3)
curiouskarmadog (6,12)
Pomegranate (6,4)
Faraday (6,4)

They all need to claim.

[Fate]

1.

Because Fate, why I chose it is logical for the way my games had been going.
I mention it because it fits with the way that Socrates has been playing this day.

2.

Whereas, you have 9 votes day 1, 7 of which were on town, drove a mis-lynch day 2 unvoting to then hammer, Hammered day 3, and threw your vote at Soc for 1 post. Hammered twice after delaying. Waiting for ton PR's to send PM's or scum buddies?

3.

Buddy up to Hoopla who says that lynchign Soc might not be towns best move, call me scum for saying that lynching Soc might not be towns best move. I really love the contradiction in your post.

4.

One thing about those little scenarios. Lynching scum two nights running is still good for town. So thanks for reacting Fate, confirming yourself as scum to my mind.

These arguments are terrible. I can see why you would be lynched often.

1. What is also logical based on the way he's been posting? Vig that did a gambit to stay alive an extra day, and now is posting another gambit in hopes to confuse town (with the help of his scumbuddies DP and SC following it). ALSO it is only logical to vote me AFTER Socrates flips "vengeful lynchee." If he is that role, AND scum have Cop, Vig, Governor, etc. I would basically be guaranteed scum even in my own mind, and I'd have to check my role PM again.

But you have to lynch Socrates first for that theory to work, which you just now figured out. (Nice hammer on top of a hammer, btw).

2. Threw a vote on Socrates after one post? How about I voted scum after one post of him rambling "mwhahaha got ya" AFTER he claimed a guilty on someone who was town? Yeah that's why I voted him, for a single post.

3. Buddy up, wha? Hoopla doesn't think lynching Socrates is the best move. I say that it definitely is. Are you even reading?

4. Again, I'm really not confirmed scum in anyone's mind unless Socrates flips something besides both Cop/Vig, then I would agree with a wagon on me. This won't happen. It is just too unlikely they got all that power.

[DocPotter]

Fate, who needs to claim. The bolded ones, the unbolded ones, all of them?

[StrangerCoug]

Fos

StrangerCoug for seeming to "believe" in socrates and Doc for voting Fate(????).

Clarify this, preferably by linking me to what you're talking about.

Townie here.

[curiouskarmadog]

mod has asked me to stay...going to try my best to play...sometimes the load on the pages are fine..others horrid....if you feel I am taking to long..lynch me.

[curiouskarmadog]

wtf?!?!, 9 deaths no scum....shit.

[Socrates]

I've been hammered?

Fricken A.

Sorry town. Congratulations scum, is what I would say except I did most of the work for you.

Sorry about my stupidity. I'm never gambiting again. This game shall go down as my shame.

Bleh.

So, who was it? Im going to go out on a limb and say... fifi, Fate, Doc, Jack, and Faraday?

[DocPotter]

Soc is at L-2.

Good try though Soc.

[DocPotter]

Strange Soc, how your list and Fate's claim list work with each other.

Jack, StrangerCoug, The1fifi, DocPotter

fifi, Fate, Doc, Jack, and Faraday

Three people the same. The difference, Devotress and Faraday and Fate.

Some sort of desperate attempt to deflect from Fate no doubt.

As I said. Good try Soc. No cigar.

[Devotress]

A few pages back Fate said I was one of the scummy votes on his original wagon, even though earlier in the game he said I was one of the better votes on his wagon. Thought that merited pointing out.


Anyhow, are we waiting more time to get night actions in, or is it safe to throw a vote up on socrates? I have a very hard time believing this was the townie gambit he claims.