Mini 922 - Mafia in Mo Town [Game Over]

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm really not seeing what I have done that is scummy, I've been doing my best to be active and scumhunt. I starting to lean towards a Sakako lynch. I dont buy the newbie town argument. Hes been pretty scummy all around.

[xRECKONERx]

We need more Monkey in this hizzouse.
I'm satisfied with Almaster's answers, so I'll

Unvote.

Useful.

[Netopalis]

Alright. Sorry for the long wait between my last post and this one, but I think I've got some fairly important stuff to say.

The key wagons today seem to be Monkey v. Sakako. Strong cases have been made for both. Just to recap, Sakako is generally scummy for following everybody else's suspicions and his weak defenses. Monkey is generally scummy for following everybody else's suspicions and his odd misrepresentations of the attacks against him.

In my analysis of Sakako, originally I wasn't counting experience as that much of a factor. However, in my last reread, I started to ask myself how I'd feel if I were ICing a Newbie game with Sakako in it. When I started to do that, he looked a lot more likely to be town, as his posts do seem to fit the standard Newbie caution and paranoia. I don't think that he's completely cleared, but most of his defenses do seem to be genuine. He does need to learn how to scumhunt a bit better, though.

Monkey is a tricky analysis. I really don't like how his response to everything is pretty much to sarcastically dismiss the attacks against him as without merit. That's a classic scumplay. Also, as mentioned earlier, he does tend to misrepresent people a lot. That could either be intentional or unintentional, I'm not sure. It's true that he's never voted for anybody that it didn't feel that there would be a strong bandwagon on, and it's true that for much of the early game, aside from these light attacks to justify his votes, he was inactive.

Right now, I'm leaning towards a Monkey lynch. If nothing else, I think that we'll get a great deal more information from a Monkey flip than we will get from anybody else. The simple fact is that every player has expressed opinions about him, even Sakako and Kyle.

For now, I'm going to

Unvote, vote: Monkeyman

. I want to see his defense and potentially a claim.


For tomorrow, I feel that we should take the time to investigate the following players more carefully in light of the 2-ish flips that we'll be getting:

Nikanor - I don't feel that his play has been analyzed enough today, although reading over him quickly, I don't have any strong attacks to make either.

Kyle - I'd like to pressure Kyle a bit more and see what he has to say. He seems to only show up and post when he's attacked...so, let's attack.

Sakako - We might want to look at the interchange between him and Monkey depending on how Monkey flips.

Lowell - If you look over his posts, I think there's a fairly substantial case for him as lurker scum trying to attack without making a lot of waves.

[kyle99]

@Neto, If you want to attack me for more content, why aren't you voting me?

I reread, and I'm starting to lean town on Sakako, and starting to lead towards scum on Lowell. It seems like he's either voted for of FOS'd almost everyone in the game, and his logic is bad and it doesn't really seem like he's scumhunting.

His FOS on neto and xReck seemed scum considering I have town reads on both Neto and xReck. His vote on Nikanor was also bad.

unvote, vote: Lowell

I still think a monkey lynch is probably going to be a mislynch, but we'll see what his claim is.

[xRECKONERx]

Monkey, claim please (or did I already miss that?).

kyle's post 453 is interesting, and I'm going to tag it so I remember to point us back to it after Monkey's flip.

[kyle99]

Monkey, claim please (or did I already miss that?).

kyle's post 453 is interesting, and I'm going to tag it so I remember to point us back to it after Monkey's flip.

Do you really need to link to the post right above it?

What do you mean by interesting?

[xRECKONERx]

As I said, I'll explain post-Monkey flip.

[kyle99]

As I said, I'll explain post-Monkey flip.

Alright. In the meantime, I guess we wait for monkey to claim.

[Netopalis]

Kyle: I feel that you're somebody that we should look into during the next game day, but I don't feel that you're an appropriate lynch today for two reasons:

1) We didn't force you to post enough content to evaluate

2) Not everybody's given their opinion on your lynch

In short, lynching you wouldn't give us enough information on which to base a solid conclusion for D2.

[KittyMo]

Vote Count XI

[6] MonkeyMan576 - (AlmasterGM, almightybob, Espeonage, Sakako, xRECKONERx, Netopalis)

[2] kyle99 - (MonkeyMan576, hitogoroshi)
[1] Sakako - (DeathRowKitty)
[1] Nikanor - (Lowell)
[1] Lowell - (kyle99)

[0] AlmasterGM - ()
[0] almightybob - ()
[0] DeathRowKitty - ()
[0] Netopalis - ()
[0] xRECKONERx - ()
[0] Espeonage - ()
[0] hitogoroshi - ()

[1]

Not Voting

- (Nikanor)

With

12

alive, it`s

7

to lynch!

Deadline

is at 7:30AM Pacific Time on Wednesday, February 24th.

Prods:

:badposting:

Nobody!

:mehposting:

DeathRowKitty | Last post 8th hour of Feb. 18th
hitogoroshi | Last post 9th hour of Feb. 18th
Sakako | Last post 16th hour of Feb. 18th
Lowell | Last post 18th hour of Feb.18th

:goodposting:

Everyone else!

[kyle99]

Vote Count IX

[4] MonkeyMan576 - (AlmasterGM, almightybob, Espeonage, Sakako, Netopalis)

[2] kyle99 - (MonkeyMan576, hitogoroshi)
[2] Nikanor - (Lowell, xRECKONERx)
[1] Sakako - (DeathRowKitty)
[1] Lowell - (kyle99)

[0] AlmasterGM - ()
[0] almightybob - ()
[0] DeathRowKitty - ()
[0] Netopalis - ()
[0] xRECKONERx - ()
[0] Espeonage - ()
[0] hitogoroshi - ()

[1]

Not Voting

- (Nikanor)

With

12

alive, it`s

7

to lynch!

Deadline

is at 7:30AM Pacific Time on Wednesday, February 24th.

Prods:

:badposting:

Nobody!

:mehposting:

DeathRowKitty | Last post 8th hour of Feb. 18th
hitogoroshi | Last post 9th hour of Feb. 18th
Sakako | Last post 16th hour of Feb. 18th
Lowell | Last post 18th hour of Feb.18th

:goodposting:

Kyle99

I believe xReck is voting for monkeyman.

Sorry and thanks! =] ~KittyMo

[Netopalis]

Yeah, and the number should then be 6, meaning that Monkey is at L-1.

Ooops. Thank you! ^_^ ~Kitty

[Lowell]

458 is a ridiculous reason not to vote someone. Seriously, could neto be doing more to prove how

totally not into

the monkey lynch he is, while still voting him? Cue the "I told you so" post if monkey comes up town...

That said, I doubt monkey is town at this point. 450 is a surrender post if ever there was one, and his absence at the point he should be defending his shit off is incriminating. I'll cast the hammer in a bit, but for the sake of avoiding potential "OMG why didnt' you let him claim!" digressions I'll give monkey some time..

[Netopalis]

Really, Lowell? The fact that I don't think we have time to seriously do justice to an investigation on Kyle isn't a valid reason to wait until another day to grill him?

[Sakako]

I'll have some more to post on Day 2 - uni is coming back into session, haven't had much time to do any analysis at all.

[MonkeyMan576]

It sounds like its already been decided that ill be lynched regardless of my flip, so why claim?

[Sakako]

It sounds like its already been decided that ill be lynched regardless of my flip, so why claim?

Lazy-scum (I mean, nothing new here), you could at least make some sort of believable claim that would make town think a whole lot differently about you.

Someone hammer this guy, please.

[MonkeyMan576]

Monkey is a tricky analysis. I really don't like how his response to everything is pretty much to sarcastically dismiss the attacks against him as without merit. That's a classic scumplay. Also, as mentioned earlier, he does tend to misrepresent people a lot. That could either be intentional or unintentional, I'm not sure. It's true that he's never voted for anybody that it didn't feel that there would be a strong bandwagon on, and it's true that for much of the early game, aside from these light attacks to justify his votes, he was inactive.

I didn't dismiss the attacks. I said they were baseless.

What you are doing is taking Neto vs. Monkey and mistakingly applying it to my whole play. You think I dismissed YOU, and you think I misrepped YOU. You're completely ignoring any interactions I've had with anyone else, for the most part.

And I built a more than decent case against you, which i felt was much stronger than your supposed case against me.

Also, I already explained that the Sakako vote against me was very weak, fishy, and scummy, and that any subsequent votes should be taken with extra scrutiny. I stand by that statement.

[MonkeyMan576]

It sounds like its already been decided that ill be lynched regardless of my flip, so why claim?

Lazy-scum (I mean, nothing new here), you could at least make some sort of believable claim that would make town think a whole lot differently about you.

Someone hammer this guy, please.

You're calling me lazy. This is laughable...

Unvote:
Vote: Sakako

[Netopalis]

Saying that they are baseless is dismissing them. I was also referring to your response to the "X and Y are scum" argument. In fact, I really have yet to see you dealing realistically with anything.

[Sakako]

Well if I was scum I would at least try to make some sort of a claim rather than just say "Oh, well, I'm going to die anyway."

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm a

Jack of all Trades

you'd better not lynch me...

[Netopalis]

Hmm...Odd claim.

Unvote

for now while I mull this over. I have initial reservations about the "normality" of the role.

[xRECKONERx]

Unvote.

Though I'm not sure I buy it. JOAT seems abnormal for a...well...mini normal. In any case, I now want to look at alternate candidates, so it'll take me a minute.

[Netopalis]

In a recent thread in MD, a survey was conducted about the "normality" of each role. The results are in this thread:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13001

As you can see, JOAT was one of the borderline cases. Given this and the fact that many normal mods have been using this, I would say that it's not entirely out of the question. I also think that it's an unlikely fake claim.

Vote: Kyle99

Since you wanted my vote so badly before you can have it. I need a list of players and your reads on each of them. This list should be detailed - I'd like at least 2 full sentences about each player.