Mini 927: Alabama Correctional Facility - OVER

[Cobalt]

Wait, so we have to assign a position to every player every time? We can't just shove one person?

[Cobalt]

In that case I don't think random shoving is a good idea. Why risk messing up the averages later on when we decide who to lynch?

[Cobalt]

pelvic thrust: spyrex

I hope you were scum bro

[Cobalt]

oh come on spyre you of all people should know how early I use my daykills.

[Cobalt]

SHUT UP DEAD MAN

[Cobalt]

[Cobalt]

Cobalt 11 - full of fluff. No content = scummy

I lol'd

[Cobalt]

sigh, haters gonna hate

[Cobalt]

IMO people shouldn't be worried about the whole shoving thing. When we decide on our lynch it won't be hard to get them to the bottom the list...I don't get all the concern.

the problem with shoving is that it's too easy for scum to manipulate places in the lineup. so at an early point in the game when town players won't have reads on everyone, and much of our shove order is semi-random, scum can subtly push suspects low in the lineup. it won't affect the lynch but it will affect stuff like scumpartner-hunting and votecount analysis later in the game, and it will also influence the town -"this guy is pretty low on the list, maybe he is scum/town" when the position is scum-influenced and might be meaningless.
so i'm not going to shove until I get good reads on a lot of people.

[Cobalt]

Thats fine but when push comes to shove (BAZING) at least a handful of have the whole shove orders and, of course, can pull some voodoo out of that.

please rephrase in coherent english

[Cobalt]

Shove:
UncertainKitten 2
Minineko 10
Ellibereth 3
Jahudo 6
SpyreX 4
Max 7
farside22 5
HackerHuck 8
Super Awesome Mega Pimp! 11
Cobalt 1
pwnman 12
Grimmy 9

[Cobalt]

Cobalt: what took so long for you to put up your first shove? This seems suspicious to me because it appears that you were waiting for later when you could put up a "safe" push count in order to blend in with everyone elses picks so as not to stand out. Hiding in plain sight, in other words.

how exactly does deliberately not shoving until it becomes an obvious standout attribute constitute hiding in plain sight?

[Cobalt]

hm, I seem to have attracted a lot of 11s but not a lot of cases, how interesting

[Cobalt]

hm, I seem to have attracted a lot of 11s but not a lot of cases, how interesting

How about lack of scum hunting, posting one liners, not involved in the game and actively lurking.

don't worry, I'm voting for scum.

[Cobalt]

there's other people on that list too

[Cobalt]

protip: "I am voting for scum" is present tense

[Cobalt]

Where?

hm, I seem to have attracted a lot of 11s but not a lot of cases, how interesting

How about lack of scum hunting, posting one liners, not involved in the game and actively lurking.

don't worry, I'm voting for scum

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[Cobalt]

I will reshove after a count

[Cobalt]

Cobalt is now trying to call out the town for not providing cases.

8=====D

Shove:
UncertainKitten 3
Minineko 9
Ellibereth 4
Jahudo 6
SpyreX 2
Max 5
farside22 7
HackerHuck 11
Super Awesome Mega Pimp! 10
Cobalt 1
Grimmy 8

lurkerhuck needs lynched

[Cobalt]

Shove:
1. UncertainKitten 6
2. Minineko 2
3. Ellibereth 10
4. Jahudo 7
5. SpyreX 5
6. Max 9
7. farside22 8
8. HackerHuck 1
9. Super Awesome Mega Pimp! 3
10. Cobalt 11
12. Grimmy 4

i am interested in learning why you rank 6 people as more town than yourself, and why you think elli is scum with me but not spyrex

[Cobalt]

you question Jahudo's town feel of spyrex, but you have him even higher on YOUR list.

It seems your confusion stems from a failure to read my post. I did NOT question Jah's town read of Spyrex. I questioned that he has Ellibereth at 10 because of association with me, but does not rank Spyre scummy despite having a similar or even stronger defense of me.

11. HackerHuck (the one reason you stated was lurking, but Id like to hear more reasons than that)

He's kinda lurky.
Also, in his last shove order on the 19th, he rates SAMP at 3, me at 11, spyre at 10. Then two days later he says he finds me OK and SAMP scummy. Without reshoving. Looks to me like he wants to weigh down people without needing to answer for suspecting them. Also reacted poorly to my fake daykill.

10. S.A.M.P.

Terrible attack on me for not answering two garbage "questions" not even related to the game (asking why I lol'd, and asking why haters shouldn't hate). Also gives my other suspects low shove numbers.

9. MiniNeko

rates me high at 11, but then rates spyre and elli low and SAMP high. That's not at all what I would draw from guessing who is what alignment based on in-thread actions- I don't see a reason to rate SAMP right after me if you think I'm scum. Also lurks like a champ.
You'll notice that my three scums here like to rate each other low, ensuring they stay out of the lynch position.
Those are my strongest scum reads.
Also look at this Max post:

The players are manipulating the votes to ensure that Cobalt is lynched.

Their rankings are the exact reverse of the overall shove rankings asides from Cobalt who they've placed at the bottom.

Scum have overextended themselves on a me lynch. I just pulled some of them out of the pack. Don't look at who's 11'ing me- look at where people place each other.

[Cobalt]

Now does this in your mind clear spryex as scum? Why would he not question your reasoning as others did?

spyrex has played with and modded over me before, so I expect he knows my meta. I don't know if he has a town read on me or is scum playing up to town, but putting interactions with me aside I don't think his shoves look too scummy right now.
A thing I hate about this setup is that it's not obvious from each votecount who is voting who. It's kind of easy for people to slip each other the knife without it being apparent.

[Cobalt]

I believe that

Cobalt is scum

. I believe that SAMP is probably scum. And I also believe that SpyreX is scum.

My potential Scum list includes (but is not limited to): UncertainKitty and Minineko

My neutrals are: HackerHuck, Jahudo.

Town Leaning: Ellibereth

, Farside

um

[Cobalt]

yeah hacker needs to die

[Cobalt]

itt we lynch minineko

[Cobalt]

itt we lynch minineko

Why?

Also I'm dying to know did anyone hear anything through the vent last night?

grand total of 8 posts
thinks I'm scum but still wanted to lynch HH
general lurkiness/inconsistency in shove orders vs expressed suspicions

[Cobalt]

Leg work on the last point?

was this at me?

[Cobalt]

hey SAMP
who is scum
(besides you)

[Cobalt]

hey SAMP
who is scum
(besides you)

my scumbuddies are pwnman and Hacker and we're all reverse death millers

You and Elli.

Stevie Wonder could see that you two have been pushing all the scummy wagons this game.

I'm still interested in why you don't see spyrex as scum with me.

[Cobalt]

MY SHOVE LIST, EXCEPT FOR COBALT, WAS INVERTED TO THE ACTUAL RANKINGS. THIS WAS A TACTIC TO LYNCH COBALT, NOT A REFLECTION OF MY SCUMMINESS RANKINGS.

[Cobalt]

e wasn't nearly as opportunistic day 1 on pwnman and Hacker as you and Elli were.

I'm interested in why you didn't jump on pwnman too, considering he was scummy as the great lakes

[Cobalt]

HEY SAMP
quick question
you attacked me for an opportunistic shove on pwnman, but you ignored that SpyreX pushed pwnman to 12 as well in the first post SpyreX made after pwnman's role PM quote. Elli and UK were also all over pwnman in that interval. You also ignored one of the strongest points against pwnman- he was copying and pasting Jahudo's reads. You ignored all that to tunnel on me. nice job champ

[Cobalt]

I'm a bit busy atm but I just want to say I love the layering on the hypocritical lurker Mini calling me a hypocritical lurker for attacking lurkers while lurking, when he made an attack on me for lurking while lurking himself.

[Cobalt]

Cobalt would you say your list consistent of mostly lurkers in the game?

clarify what list?

mini is scummy for not seeing the case on pwnman.

[Cobalt]

Cobalt would you say your list consistent of mostly lurkers in the game?

clarify what list?

mini is scummy for not seeing the case on pwnman.

Did you have grimmy, mini and pwnman at the bottom 3?
Then it didn't change with pwnman, grim(?) and one other with no real explanation for most of the game.

see my iso 20 for cases

[Cobalt]

a) Yes, much worse. My move should be a null tell - it's what I'd do regardless of my team.

so when you do it, it's null meta
when I do it, it's a scumtell
hmmmmm

Just because I don't agree with it doesn't mean I don't see it. Does his play make any more sense as mafia than town? Not at all to me. Someone explain to me how it does?

explain how it makes sense as a town action?

[Cobalt]

Colbalt you had the same issue with Mini that you had with HH and he was town.
Don't you think it's a bit narrow minded?

I see something I think scum is more likely to do than town, and I will call it out. It's not like a flawless pointer.

[Cobalt]

splooge ellibereth's loaf back at him

[Cobalt]

I see nothing that says we can't post images

[Cobalt]

splurt loaf at spyrex

please return

[Cobalt]

And how about prefix any message with an "X" to signify its opposite or a negation?

[Cobalt]

I elaborated because its not a function of my role but a function of what happened last night soooooo

how would praying over a bible trigger a PR? :S
I find it interesting that Jah is piggybacking on SAMP's case on me. Let me check how they ranked each other yesterday.

[Cobalt]

I elaborated because its not a function of my role but a function of what happened last night soooooo

how would praying over a bible trigger a PR? :S
I find it interesting that Jah is piggybacking on SAMP's case on me. Let me check how they ranked each other yesterday.

No loaf throw? What are you waiting for?

What's your rush? If I can only vote once I'm going to wait as long as I want.

[Cobalt]

standoffs are very exciting

[Cobalt]

let me get this right, slicey... you think the scumteam is me/neko/jah, then you laid out a case on neko, then you loaf'd me because I already have a vote on me? who are your scumbuddies?

[Cobalt]

if by "everyone" you mean "one person who would rather lynch someone else"

[Cobalt]

prolly will loaf samp sometime

[Cobalt]

My position has not changed, although the case on Slicey is appealing.

[Cobalt]

Sigh. Everyone, lend me your energy!

SPIRIT BOMB LOAF AT SAMP

[Cobalt]

VLN TWNE

suspect: slicey

[Cobalt]

BAD CLM!

[Cobalt]

NO FLVR

[Cobalt]

LOL WHAT

[Cobalt]

RULE#7!

[Cobalt]

RULE 7

[Cobalt]

READ RL7

[Cobalt]

OOPS RL3

[Cobalt]

RULE 3

[Cobalt]

LAME PRS

[Cobalt]

YEP

suspect: Slicey

suspect: Slicey

[Cobalt]

UM WAT

[Cobalt]

WHO NOT

[Cobalt]

SCUM WAT

[Cobalt]

RD RULE3

[Cobalt]

DSD PLZ

[Cobalt]

SLI SCUM

[Cobalt]

ITT RAGE

[Cobalt]

OBV FAKE

[Cobalt]

JAH ROLE

[Cobalt]

CONF

[Cobalt]

LOL CULT

[Cobalt]

SPY CLMN

[Cobalt]

ALL VNLA

[Cobalt]

BUT 1AN4

[Cobalt]

BOTH SCM?

[Cobalt]

JAH SLIC

[Cobalt]

GOON SCM

[Cobalt]

HMMM

[Cobalt]

MAYBE

[Cobalt]

YEAH BUT

[Cobalt]

FLVR HRD

[Cobalt]

EASY LIE

[Cobalt]

suspect slicey

suspect slicey

suspect slicey

[Cobalt]

ITS SLIC

[Cobalt]

JUST FYI

[Cobalt]

Highlights for me:
tying myself hard to SpyreX
Pointing out the bad-roles only rule when Slicey had me dead to rights

[Cobalt]

the suspicion rules were a little unclear, to me at least.
also, I just got three scum wins completed on the same day. How nice.