Open 204: Friend and Enemies Over

[hewitt]

S'okaaaaaaaay schweet. Only played with two of you before...Paltry and farside. This should be interesting.

[hewitt]

Oh God how I love that phrase...obv scum...

[hewitt]

hewitt, do you prefer RVS or attempting to get out of RVS as soon as possible?

I do not prefer the RVS. I find the game much more interesting out of RVS but the pace at which it takes to get out of it is not so much of importance to me.

[hewitt]

@hewitt: How do you approach a single scum team game and a multiple scum team game differently?

In a single scum team game I come in a little bit less focused and look deeply for connections among players. In a multiple scum team game I tend to look a little bit more at who is the scummiest seeming and would X player make sense being X scum team.

@Everyone: what is the best way to get out of RVS stage?

The best way to get out of RVS is to support, disapprove, or start an attack on a player.

[hewitt]

Your avatar sucks!

Unvote, Vote: Hewitt

There, I started an attack. How are we out of the RVS now? The answer is no.

Unvote

.

...That's not an attack.

[hewitt]

Why aren't you participating in RVS?

I don't vote in RVS.

- I DIE AND THE BEST PLAYER IN THE GAME IS LOST.

Doubt it. At this point anyway I think the whole back and forth exchanges between yourself and Paltry/farside/whoever the fuck else is participating is a moot point in finding scum. BUT it is helping us get out of the RVS so I'm happy for that at least.

But seriously though I think neither side is right.

Fine, claim 'Mason' then... Happy?

Who are you to suggest to anyone else in this game what they should be claiming unless you already know that they're not scum?

And quit apologizing. Jeez. Nobody cares.

[hewitt]

What? maybe you should read a little...

Gooood job of deflecting away from my questions.

[hewitt]

Really McGriddle then what am I missing here if I didn't read the thread.

[hewitt]

No I understand he's not asking for anybody to claim. I just don't understand why he'd even be suggesting that somebody should be claiming any sort of power role on page four of a game.

[hewitt]

That's because I am not. Why should I have to direct you to what we were talking about? You have eyes, go read yourself.

Good comeback. Clearly you learned how to play this game from ABR. I agree with Excedrin, who chats up about power roles within the first four pages of D1? I can only think of one role who would really want that type of discussion out there so early.

And this is a great sign VVV

IThat's not scummy, it means I am not really paying attention to hard.

[hewitt]

Since when is it strange to put emphasis on something?

It's strange that you would separate the town from yourself.

[hewitt]

disagreeing with the attacks on disco. the word "and" is hardly a mechanic of separation.

The word and is used for exactly that reason. You don't say I'm going to the store to get groceries AND milk.

[hewitt]

Lol@you people seeing that as a scumtell.

Seriously, what the fuck? Do you really think a scum would say 'HEY GUYS IM SEPERATED FROM THE TOWN YO' n stuff? Nah, not even subtle.
The point is that I don't see why scum would do this rather then town. Because a townie is part of the town? Stop joking with me, lol.

This is probably the poorest reaction I've ever seen from somebody having pressure put on them...and keep in mind I've played with SensFan.

+1 Humor Points

[hewitt]

So I've never played with Disco before but so far I'm getting the general impression that his goal is to be obnoxious, over-defensive, and have a really crappy attitude. I doubt that we can gather that he's scum from his non-contributions at this point but to me it's pretty clear that he's a generally anti-town player.

[hewitt]

I'm not playing the game? I beg to differ, sir. I bet I have more posts then many a player in here.

Cool. Just cause you're posting doesn't mean you're playing.

Vote: McGriddle

For not doing anything this game but over defending Disco at every chance he can get, not seeming to be able to logically defend himself without lashing out, and just generally not being useful.

[hewitt]

As for Hewitt. I am doing as much as I can with what I have to work with. I am not "overly defending" anyone. I am stating that you guys are a couple VI's for using the word and against him. You think that defending someone from stupid accusations is defending? Well it's not. I don't want a mislynch, and you and excedrin seem to be pushing for one based off of the stupid mistake. You complain he is active lurking, but what about the people who are just lurking?

Let me explain this for you because you apparently still don't understand, even though multiple people have tried explaining this to you. Nobody is using the word "and" against him. It was briefly brought up because it was a weirdly worded sentence and then dropped. But yet you incessantly feel the need to drag it back up repeatedly, even though it's already done and dealt with. The only one who keeps bringing it back is you.

And the "you and excedrin seem to be pushing for one (mislynch)"...uh...hello? Since when am I pushing for a Disco lynch? And why are you so sure that it's a mislynch? Every post recently you've been defending him, so you can't say you're not over defending him...you are.

As for the lurkers, we can't do anything about that. They're not here. So it's not like bitching and whining about the lurkers will make them magically pop back in. And they're open for everybody to see that they're not doing anything, so there's no need to be bitching about that. Active lurking is much easier to stop and I think it's much scummier.

[hewitt]

whatebber scum

GREAT response. Uber-helpful.

[hewitt]

did I have that idea? refer me, for I am mistaken if I said that.

Um.

whatebber scum

It's not even ten pages in and you're already forgetting past actions? That's not a good sign.

If you believe me to be the scum, then vote me out.

Honestly? Starting this kind of talk already? That's a pretty huge over defensive post right here. It's a little bit early to be panicking about being lynched and pulling that kind of shit.

[hewitt]

thats considered a huge defensive post?

The whole "well fine then lynch me and you'll just have a mislynch" defense? I don't know if I've ever seen players who are pro-town use that in order to prevent themselves from being lynched. In fact...

Unvote, Vote: Light

I can't deal with jumpy players who don't logically think things through and play over defensively and resort to crap logic.

[hewitt]

so you want to lynch me because "I can't deal with jumpy players who don't logically think things through and play over defensively and resort to crap logic.".

Yes.

So does that make all "jumpy players" scum?

Jumpy players aren't necessarily always scum, but I've never come across a jumpy player who is pro-town. So lynching an anti-town player D1, which is kind of a good starting point in my opinion, is almost like a win-win situation. We get great reads on who was on/off the wagon whether they flip town or scum and it rids the game of an anti-town player. It's like lynching Empking or caboose or zwets, win-win either way.

I can tell you right now I don't want a player like you who jumps to the defense of "well fine then lynch me and take a mislynch" in any sort of situation down the road where it's getting tight to lylo.

[hewitt]

who is empking, cboose and zwets?

Im not anti-town. So basically your saying you want to lynch me for the sake of lynching? I know i haven't been voicing a lot of opinions, but that in no way states that i am anti-town.

assuming that lylo = lie low;

i feel as though you've made a very scummy statement. You wouldn't want someone who knows that he is definetely the townie and insists that lynching him could result in a mislynch down the track?

Empking, caboose, and zwets = Awful Mafia players.

I do believe that you're anti-town and I'm not voting to lynch you for the sake of lynching. I'm voting for you because I don't think you'll be able to handle pressure later on in this game if you're a townie and/or you're jumpy scum who don't know how to react any other way than how you did. And if you are a townie then you reacted HORRIBLY to pressure. You voicing your opinions have absolutely nothing to do with me voting you.

lylo does not equal lie low. lylo is lynch or lose. And lying low is usually a scum tactic not a town tactic anyways and I would be fucking pissed if I was playing with a town player who was "lying low".

I've actually seen it once. Such a defense is a newbtell, not a scumtell.

And I believe that it's a defense that would be used by both newbscum and newbtown not just newbtown.

Just dropping in here to say that Don isn't a mason, interpret it any way you want, I rather not elaborate on it.

I hope that the brighter minds among us will see what I'm implying with saying it.

Unvote, Vote: DiscoRoboto

I'll return to this in a second.

do you

want

to be lynched?

This the strangest reaction, along with the *facepalm* that I would've expected to Disco's statement. I don't see why any town player would feel the need to say this? So, and I never do this, huge ass FoS here on DJ.

[i am not following you. what is this "counterclaim" you speak of? there have been no role claims as far as i can tell. what was the "bait"?

unvote, vote farside

she's capitalizing on a weakness here.

This is pure stupidity right here and I'm keeping this and everything DJ is saying right now permanently imprinted in the back of my mind to return to after the Disco situation has been dealt with.

Disco just attempted to breadcrumb being a Mason so that he can go back later and say that he breadcrumbed being Mason and that DJ isn't a Mason and he knows so cause he's a Mason blah blah blah. There are no investigative roles in this game so that MUST be what he's attempting to do. And having seen what he's been saying so far this game I'm 100% positive that he's lying. And any rebuttal from Disco that it wasn't his intent is a huge crop of bullshit and he better come up with a good ass excuse if he's even going to attempt to say that wasn't his intent.

And now DJ is panicking for some odd reason that I can't quite figure out but we'll be able to figure out his deal after Disco "explains" himself.

[hewitt]

Still waiting for anyone to explain to me how my post was a scumtell.

You A) Attempted to breadcrumb Mason very obviously to B) out the other Masons. It's very clear and any denial on your part is a pure lie. It was a big stunt but it failed epically.

[hewitt]

Both wrong. Think before posting please.

Really Disco, then how about you "inform" us what your intent was instead of sitting here flapping your jaw about nothing.

[hewitt]

Just dropping in here to say that Don isn't a mason, interpret it any way you want, I rather not elaborate on it.

I hope that the brighter minds among us will see what I'm implying with saying it.

Really Disco? You really think you're playing in a game with players THAT stupid that we'd interpret ^^^ as something other than breadcrumbing and attempting to out Masons? Because there's no way in hell a Mason would be that stupid as to out themselves this early just to randomly state "hey, this player isn't a Mason".

If you thought DJ wasn't a Mason based on what he's been posting (which is ridiculous because nobody would be able to tell at this point) and you're a town player you A) wouldn't even be saying it at this point in the game and B) would've been a lot more clear about it.

The second quote just as good as proves that you were attempting to breadcrumb and I have faith that no town Mason would be stupid enough to breadcrumb so blatantly on D1. You knew you were going to get caught, you knew DJ would make some panicky posts, and you were hoping to out a Mason or two out of the ordeal.

Simple as that.

[hewitt]

I would like to point out how Disco is blatantly refusing to explain himself and is now backing away from what he did. The attempt to paint players as "stupid" is sophomoric. I explained why I'm voting you quite clearly Disco, and you're refusing to answer to it because you know I'm right.

[hewitt]

Oh, just changed it up a little.
Besides, explaining myself would be bad for Town at this point, I think anyone with half a brain would've realised that by now.

Still waiting for someone to explain how my action was a scumtell.

So you're admitting to attempting to breadcrumb Mason. And clearly, from the way you did it, your pressure on DJ, your reaction to pressure, and the fact that you absolutely refuse to explain yourself and instead insist on idiotically blabbering about nothing and stalling an explanation, you're lying.

[hewitt]

Really Disco, then what are you attempting to do with saying that DJ is not a Mason? Because it's taking you about 27 hours to explain yourself. And this VVV is the lie.

Besides, explaining myself would be bad for Town at this point, I think anyone with half a brain would've realised that by now.

Nice reasoning behind your vote Disco, your scumteam must be really ticked off with you at this point.

[hewitt]

You're the biggest moron I've ever met, lol.

More stalling, you're really good at playing this stalling game Disco. Too bad it's so blatant for everybody to see that you can't get away with it.

[hewitt]

It would provide information for mafia.

You're lying. There are townies, Mafia, and Masons in this game. Unless you're attempting to claim Mason there is no information that can be provided to the Mafia. And since you've been called out on most likely being a Mason you've backed off on claiming Mason and are left with nothing to go off. Which is why you're stalling.

Explain how you "know" DJ is not a Mason.

[hewitt]

I might have thought that, maybe you're right.

Another stalling post.

[hewitt]

I'm waiting for other townies if they really want to know it. So far I've only heard Hewitt and you expressing interest.

You're waiting for other townies? How do you know townies are the ones who will be expressing interest? And more than two people have expressed interest in you explaining yourself.

List of players awaiting Disco explanation: Myself, Excedrin, farside, Paltry, DJ

On top of spewing nothing but stalling attempts and crap-o-logic you're clearly not even paying attention to the game and/or lying to attempt to further your stay.

[hewitt]

it would mean i'd have to claim my role. do you guys still want to do through with this?

I don't find it necessary for you to claim. If you claim Mason I'm not going to believe you, because I don't believe any Mason would be stupid enough to pull what you did. If you claim townie I'm not still not going to believe you, because no townie would be stupid enough to pull what you did. And if you are actually a townie then we'd clearly be better off without you anyways. You've proven to be a hindrance to the town and completely reckless. I'm about 73% sure you're scum and 27% thinking you're just an awfully anti-town vanilla townie.

[hewitt]

*Claps hands* GREAT rebuttal Disco. Through experience (and ya know, having at least an ounce of common sense) it's clear that only players who are cornered, know they are wrong, and are scrambling to find something to cling to do what you're doing.

[hewitt]

Your reasoning is pure shit.

And yet you cant string enough coherent thoughts together to explain why.

[hewitt]

Hoping you'd guys figured out without me saying I'd have to claim to explain.

How does deducing from DJ's posting that he's not part of the Masons necessitate you having to claim for you to explain yourself. You're having huge consistency issues.

[hewitt]

I had almost the same reaction that don_johnson had (I wasn't as frustrated), I don't think his reaction is scummy at all and his frustration seems genuine.

Keeping this in mind in case either Excedrin or DJ ever flips scum.

My logic only makes sense when you factor in my role. Too bad that at this point this could mean anything.

It's hard to explain... It's just that you don't interact like I know a mason interacts with other players. Also, your buddying with me was one that partially sparked it.

To me that only means one thing, you're attempting to claim Mason or scum. Because a vanilla townie would have no idea. And your argument was just that you were able to deduce he wasn't a Mason based on how he interacted with other players. That means you shouldn't have to claim to explain yourself and honestly this is taking way to long for you to explain already.

Yes I would, like I said I believe that he is scum but I want a full day

I don't see any logic behind this line of thinking.

And this is getting annoying as fuck.

[hewitt]

Does no one want to lynch Light today?

I would if Disco wasn't being scummy as fuck. And I feel like water_foul is attempting to stall the day. If Disco flips scum then water_foul will look really bad in my opinion.

[hewitt]

I would if Disco wasn't being scummy as fuck.

Elaborate

No. It has been explained multiple times how you are being scummy.

And Paltry I'm not going to vote to lynch someone who's V/LA even though I can understand the case against him.

[hewitt]

excedrin, hewitt, kunk: would you consider moving to McG?

Absolutely not. Frankly, this game is really starting to suck. It's filled with a shitload of antagonistic players who like to sit back and swear at each other and puff out their chests and proclaim that they're smarter than everybody else and screw explanations. Logic is completely out the window this game and in order to retain some sort of salvageability I'm sticking with my vote on Disco, indefinitely.

McGriddle is also playing like shit but at least he's straightforward.

[hewitt]

Why would a townie vote a townie?

I have no idea what your intent with this question is. Would you like me to list possible theoretical reasons why a town player might be voting another town player? Because that's the only intent I can gather from this question.

[hewitt]

i think hewitt is a beacon of wisdom.

Thanks.

In response to farside's cases on McGriddle and DJ I can understand exactly where the cases are coming from and they are crystal clear, perfect sense to me. I can completely understand why those are smart lynches. And maybe that's the difference between extremely good Mafia players and myself. I absolutely refuse to let this Disco shit slide and there is no chance I will be advocating any other lynch today.

I will not being switching my vote, period.

[hewitt]

Hewitt don't vote me if you want to win

I don't understand why I would be persuaded to keep you around after what you pulled today. You don't even have to explain why you did it at this point, but explain to me why it would be beneficial for you to remain in this game.

[hewitt]

Unvote, Vote: McGriddle

Liar.

[hewitt]

really? what a scummy mason...

That was a stupid statement, explain why it's necessary.

Vote: Disco

For exactly the same reasons I voted for him yesterday.

[hewitt]

I probably have nothing else to say today. Disco threatening to out Masons? Really?

Either scum or incredibly stupid, stupid, stupid arrogant town.

[hewitt]

FoS: PaultryExcuse

I think he really needs to get looked at. It would be good play for a scum to aim the "weaker & inactive bunch", possibly to get a mislynch. The more "mislynches", they get the better.

@excedrin: I don't think that the scum are coasting their way through the game. If anything, i would think they'd try as much as possible to get into the discussion.

1. This FoS is complete OMGUS and reeks of scum.
2. It would not be a good play for scum to aim at the "weaker" bunch. It would be much more beneficial for them to knock off the last remaining actively participating players.
3. The scum are CLEARLY coasting through the game. I have no doubt that at least 2/3 scum are inactive players and with this post, you're most likely one of them.

[hewitt]

@farside, hewitt and everyone else voting me (i dont remember them atm): I can out every mason in the game right now with (I think) ~70% accuracy, per mason.

cba to defend right now. i've breadcrumbed the other mason like over9000 times already i think

Disco that first quote is threatening to out the Masons, 100%. That is ALWAYS anti-town. And breadcrumbing Masons if you are NOT a Mason and are town is also anti-town. And I feel like because of your actions the town will lose, which is awesome if that's your endgame goal.