Stars Aligned II - Game Over!

[Seacore]

If VP is warded, then that means his Ward on Adel did not work. If it didn't work, Ani might be being truthful with his stalk claim

If VP wasn't warded, it means that his Ward on Adel did work, which means that Ani would have said "and my stalk failed"

So If VP's ward on Adel worked, Ani is a cultist (or just a scummy liar who should be lynched anyway)

Similiarly, if another person warded Adel, then VP's ward can be broken and Ani still is a liar.

Thats why they're special.

[Adel]

why are you against an ani lynch?

I think he is obvTown and I think it is much better to look for scum to lynch.

scumtell: talking in circles instead of providing a rational root for an opinion.

Why do you think that he is Obvtown?

He has an insanity. I don't really see why scum would at this point.

why do you think that he has an insanity? He claimed that he did, why do you believe him?

I see that as the only logical explanation for his actions.

the real story: SlySly is cult, and either is defending his buddy, or defending someone he knos is not cult.

unvote, vote:SlySly

We can test Ani's

{(viii) Avolition - For three Days, your vote no longer contributes to a lynch. Your vote still shows up in vote counts.}

insanity by having him vote for Slysly. When we have enough "votes" on SlySly for a lynch then we wait and see if Ani was telling the truth about his insanity. If he is telling the truth then he definitely non-cult.

[Chaco]

Have him test it on himself, on Sly sly gives him a different perspective. If he does it on himself, I believe it gives him a lot more pressure to tell the truth. If he's not lying, he's got nothing to worry about, but not on SlySly.

[VP Baltar]

or we could just wait to see if my ward was broken. I don't think we need to grow this thread any faster than it is with alternate plans until we need to.

[Adel]

Have him test it on himself, on Sly sly gives him a different perspective. If he does it on himself, I believe it gives him a lot more pressure to tell the truth. If he's not lying, he's got nothing to worry about, but not on SlySly.

I stand corrected.


What is the votecount currently at? We don't want an "accidental" hammer if he is telling the truth.

[Adel]

Then you start by answering my Pros

do you mind if I wait for Drench to claim and for elvis and Wick to claim if they targeted me or VP Baltar?

[animorpherv1]

Anyway, explain why claiming ward target is bad

an in-game example: if Baltar had claimed to target me with his Ward first then Ani never would've fake-claimed to have successfully stalked me.

It was succesfull, FYI.

[Iecerint]

If VP is warded, then that means his Ward on Adel did not work. If it didn't work, Ani might be being truthful with his stalk claim

If VP wasn't warded, it means that his Ward on Adel did work, which means that Ani would have said "and my stalk failed"

So If VP's ward on Adel worked, Ani is a cultist (or just a scummy liar who should be lynched anyway)

Similiarly, if another person warded Adel, then VP's ward can be broken and Ani still is a liar.

Thats why they're special.

Thank ye. That makes perfect sense. I thought VP was a Heard Noise/No Ward person and that that was the myopic basis of his statement.

[Chaco]

If he's saying it's successful, I see no reason not to test it now.

[animorpherv1]

Go for it.

Next insanity isn't going to be anything really stupid.

[Adel]

Go for it.

please self-vote so that we can test it. The lynch threshold is currently 13.

Next insanity isn't going to be anything really stupid.

why would you pick up another?

[DrippingGoofball]

I believe that it is essential to lynch ani at this point. Riculaulsly anti-town play requires dicipline and punishment by lynch.

Giving people a pass for being "too scummy to be scum" isn't going to help us win.

He can't

prove

that he can't hammer, so his claim is not verifiable.

I find the above scummy because the vibe is that Adel knows that ani would be a mislynch. In the whole block quote, I sense that Adel knows he's town. The play is called "anti-town" rather than outright scummy, the suggestion that ani is getting a pass from "too scummy to be scum" while I seen more discussions of stupid play than anything, and his claim not being verifiable is not the same as being outright untrue.

please stop coordinating with your scummates in your Qt thread and answer me.

Here Adel is stealing my favorite line!

[animorpherv1]

vote:animorpherv1

[SlySly]

sure dude, day 2 opened with 3/5 of the cult dead, and all of you are geniuses for winning. Congrats on your amazing system

that the reviewers and game designer obviously weren't aware of and wouldn't have adjusted for in the design of this game

.

Sorry dude, I replaced into that game late, as you probably know since you have obviously read it more recently than I. I do not have total recall of that game at all. I do know that the claims were helpful for the town in the part of the game I played.

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The cult players who were in the first game obviously know the favored tactic from the first game and have coached their team to roll with it

If you say so, only a cult player would know what has been coached so far. I'll take your word for it.

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the real story: SlySly is cult, and either is defending his buddy, or defending someone he knos is not cult.

unvote, vote:SlySly

Severe reach with severe OMGUS.

[animorpherv1]

Go for it.

please self-vote so that we can test it. The lynch threshold is currently 13.

Next insanity isn't going to be anything really stupid.

why would you pick up another?

Grave robbing/digging if I get a chance.

[animorpherv1]

Actually, I got a PM from Percy telling me I failed, then a PM telling me that he was wrong, and I suceeded.

[Adel]

@mod: can we has votecount please?

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vote:animorpherv1

thank you
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DrippingGoofball, your vibe sense was correct. I didn't have a scum read on him, but I strongly believed in the utility of his lynch until I noticed that there was a way of testing his claim without a lynch. Now we will have hard evidence for his town-alignment instead of "too scummy to be scum" which is a really horrible precedent to set in a game.

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Actually, I got a PM from Percy telling me I failed, then a PM telling me that he was wrong, and I suceeded.

an awesome detail, but couldn't that information have waited until

after

the remaining player (drench) claimed, and until after elvis and Wick stated if they targeted me or VP Baltar or not?

would town players please stop being so eager to give their information away?

[Chaco]

The last one would be true, then.

[dramonic]

If VP is warded, then that means his Ward on Adel did not work. If it didn't work, Ani might be being truthful with his stalk claim

Error. If VP warded Adel, wards on him will have failed, not the other way around.

[SlySly]

vote:animorpherv1

thank you

obvTown, like I said.

[Adel]

Ward

"Rest easy. They can't cross this circle."

Target

: Any other player.

Effect

: If your target is targeted by the

Pass Fetish

,

Craft Fetish

or

Stalk

actions, those actions fail.

Prerequisites

: None.

Side Effects

: Your target hears

Noise

. You hear

Noise

. Your action will fail if someone targets you with

Ward

, and you will not be notified of the failure. If you choose this action two nights in a row, you gain an

Insanity

.

which is correct:
1.

If VP is warded, then that means his Ward on Adel did not work

OR

2.

If VP warded Adel, wards on him will have failed, not the other way around.

I think that the key phrase is

"Your action will fail if"

[Adel]

vote:animorpherv1

thank you

obvTown, like I said.

bullshit, you gave no reason for thinking so! All you offered is scummy circular nonsense!

You are still my best pick for cult.

[Seacore]

I believe 1 is true. Which is why I said it

[dramonic]

Ward
You draw elaborate warding symbols around another player's room, covering their walls and doors to protect them from human surveillance. This will cause the Craft Fetish and Stalk actions to fail if they target that player. This action requires Protective Wards. If you took this action last night as well, you gain an Insanity.

Stalk And Craft Fetish will work on you tonight even if someone is using Ward on you (and thus targetting yourself wastes your action).

You generate Noise for your target. You hear Noise.
Sample PM: Tonight I will Ward: Herbert West.

from the first Stars Aligned. Since it wasn't written in the change part I didn't know it had changed ^_^;

[Iecerint]

Now we will have hard evidence for his town-alignment instead of "too scummy to be scum" which is a really horrible precedent to set in a game.

Did anyone actually make that argument? I think the argument was largely "ami is dumbtown and/or wants to be 3rd party."