Stars Aligned II - Game Over!

[dramonic]

oh come on.
I think you are trying to consider me overpredictable. You are in the game sajin, I'm not stupid, I know I CAN'T go murderer even if I wish I could =_=

The only way you CAN'T go murderer is if you are a cultist. Do you agree?

In theory that is correct. BUT I was rather refering to the fact this situation being very predictable (you jumping in my face) if I want to write "win" in my log for this game going murderer is signing up for my own lynch.


Also about the nominations, I don't mind serving as the grave-robber. Should I also rob every single night-kill graves? I'm going to bust the top quickly if we have as many killers as last time (3 or 4 died night 1) :S

@Mod: What happens if I rob so many graves that I would be taking my ninth insanity?

[Seacore]

Also, maybe I missed it, but nobody seems to have responded to my question as to whether all warders should claim their targets.

I don't see why they shouldn't (today at least)

That way we'll be able to establish who was actually warded, and thus who heard noise from stalking/fetish crafting.

Sure, the scum will lie, but later one that may screw them up. If one of them says "I warded Joe" and later we realise that Joe had a fetish all that time, we've found a liar.

[Adel]

I think that warders should only claim if they targeted me or VP baltar.


in the future warders should wait to claim targets as long as possible.


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perhaps when I get a forth one wrong you will catch on.

Scum never have to read as close as town. I already caught on.

another insincere post made to smear me.

evidence:

Scum never have to read as close as town. I already caught on.

Hmm? Really? Why? Not that I'm not somewhat receptive to Adelscum.

More of a blanket statement, in this game, I would think it be equally important for scum and town to read everything as there is so much going on. In a regular game, scum can float along when their tactics are working without having to pay attention to every detail of the thread.

he backtracked almost immediately.

scum: {ani, sly}

[vikingfan]

The OP says:

If a player reaches an Insanity Count of 8, they will no longer gain any Insanities.


BTW, does anyone know how to do the nice sweet quoting that can cite the OP directly? I know the quote function but that's way too bulky.

[Ellibereth]

Bleh, my brain isn't working well enough to get most of this thread read/sorted out/thought about today. Just posting to say I still 100% endorse ani lynch. I wouldn't mind a quicklynch that much either.
Coming back here tomorrow.

[Seacore]

I agree Sly, I don't like this blatant example of smear.

FOS: Sly


Anyway, explain why claiming ward target is bad

[Adel]

I'm not claiming day 2.

Noise, action and insanity claims in the first game led to an overwhelming town victory. What better alternative do you suggest? A hardline stance against claims providing a tracking system for the town seems a little anti-town to me.

as I see it the policy based deaths of zwet and mastin led to an overwhelming town victory.

why are you against an ani lynch?

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He has an insanity. I don't really see why scum would at this point.

why do you think that he has an insanity? He claimed that he did, why do you believe him?

[Adel]

Anyway, explain why claiming ward target is bad

an in-game example: if Baltar had claimed to target me with his Ward first then Ani never would've fake-claimed to have successfully stalked me.

[Seacore]

EBWOP: Obviously I mean I agree Adel, I don't like...

[Seacore]

Yes, but we'd not know it was a fake claim unless we, at some point, claim ward targets

I think we should do that before a hammer.

[SlySly]

as I see it the policy based deaths of zwet and mastin led to an overwhelming town victory.

That game was pretty much a perfect run for the town. I have not reread the game since it was over, so I don't know exactly what you are referring to, nor am I going to go back and dig for it. But I know that the ongoing information gathering by all the claims throughout the game lead to an overwhelming town victory. It was not just the lynch of two people.

why are you against an ani lynch?

I think he is obvTown and I think it is much better to look for scum to lynch.

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He has an insanity. I don't really see why scum would at this point.

why do you think that he has an insanity? He claimed that he did, why do you believe him?

I see that as the only logical explanation for his actions.

[semioldguy]

@Adel
I understand why most claiming can be bad, even warding (though I see warding as having both pros and cons for town in being claimed, and that it tilts in favor of town rather than scum). Other actions aside from warding shouldn't be claimed at all unless met with a scum-positive/likely result.

What I don't understand is why claiming noises each day is bad. I do not see the disadvantage to town in doing this. Please explain or provide an example of why this is bad. I asked already and have been ignored. You repeating that you are against it is not an explanation.

[SlySly]

he backtracked almost immediately.

Hardly, I just answered Iecerint's question.

[Percy]

@Mod: What happens if I rob so many graves that I would be taking my ninth insanity?

This response is correct.

[SlySly]

I agree Sly, I don't like this blatant example of smear.

Just calling it like I see it. Only other people besides Adel who have registered on my scumdar are the possible Dramonic slip, Elliberth, and DGB. DGB only because of inactivity. I'm sure she will resurface soon and alleviate my concern of the lurk in classic DGB fashion.

[VP Baltar]

I can somewhat agree with Adel about the wards for now. Claiming before the lynch is probably fine, but waiting for as long as possible is important. If I didn't think my ward pointed out an apparent disparity in Ani's claim, I wouldn't have claimed it yet. The only person who needs to be claiming their ward target at this point is someone who warded myself or Adel.

[Seacore]

BTW, does anyone know how to do the nice sweet quoting that can cite the OP directly? I know the quote function but that's way too bulky.

I do it using the "quote selected" option in the quick reply, and then just adding ="OP"

[Seacore]

That's fair enough as a general rule, VP, to hold off as long as possible.

But I think we're past that now. For Day 1

Nobody but Ani is going to make stupid claims that can be refuted by Wards.
Posting them has the advantage of knowing
a) Which noises are currently unexplained
b) Who should be protected tonight
c) (later)who scum claim to have warded tonight, but who somehow seem to have been stalked/fetished

[Chaco]

Just woke up. Yeah, so, thanks Elibereth for taking over what I promised I'd do. Instead of sleeping...Anyways:

@Semi far Earlier: It was meant if Adel was town. Would you want to lynch Ani, and how would it make it different if Adel flipped scum?

That being said, I do not support Ani being lynched today.

Nth Dram robbing grave.

[Adel]

Yes, but we'd not know it was a fake claim unless we, at some point, claim ward targets

I think we should do that before a hammer.

right. the tricks to calims is:
1. to know which day to claim on
2. to know

when

during the day to claim
3. to know what to claim in which order.

NONE

of that was discussed prior to the claims springing forth en mass in this game.

I've concluded that there must be Stars I players among the scum because:
1. there are a lot of them in this game.
2. if there were no Stars 1 players in the cult I would expect a couple of those players to agree with me (they know that I'm not cult) and fight the claiming. That didn't happen. Therefor the scum players who questioned the mass claiming had their questions about why claiming would be good answered in their daytalking thread.
3. this is not the same setup as Stars 1, the cult is stronger, and the technique the town relied upon to catch murders will not work as well to catch coordinated cult who have daytalking.


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Please explain or provide an example of why this is bad. I asked already and have been ignored. You repeating that you are against it is not an explanation.

I can't answer it without giving the scum tips. I'm not going to explain what I think the optimal cult counter to our current process is.

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That game was pretty much a perfect run for the town. I have not reread the game since it was over, so I don't know exactly what you are referring to, nor am I going to go back and dig for it. But I know that the ongoing information gathering by all the claims throughout the game lead to an overwhelming town victory. It was not just the lynch of two people.

sure dude, day 2 opened with 3/5 of the cult dead, and all of you are geniuses for winning. Congrats on your amazing system

that the reviewers and game designer obviously weren't aware of and wouldn't have adjusted for in the design of this game

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The only person who needs to be claiming their ward target at this point is someone who warded myself or Adel.

totally agree.

[Adel]

EBWOP: 3. this is not the same setup as Stars 1, the cult is stronger, and the technique the town relied upon to catch murders will not work as well to catch coordinated cult who have daytalking.

The cult players who were in the first game obviously know the favored tactic from the first game and have coached their team to roll with it

[Seacore]

"The trick to claiming is to know when to do it, so I'm not going to discuss whether or not we should claim, I'm just going to say we shouldn't"

Thats the summary I just got.

[Adel]

"The trick to claiming is to know when to do it, so I'm not going to discuss whether or not we should claim, I'm just going to say we shouldn't"

Thats the summary I just got.

good.

a better way to approach claiming

instead of everyone just claiming before we have a chance to talk about claiming

:
1. people voice opinions as to if claiming is a good idea or not, without offering reasons
2. talk about it in general terms
3. offer reasons pro and con only as needed to reach a consensus

[Seacore]

Then you start by answering my Pros

[Iecerint]

The only person who needs to be claiming their ward target at this point is someone who warded myself or Adel.

totally agree.

The other is fine, but I still don't understand this. What's magic about your circumstances?