Pick Your Power II - Looks like the wine is gone (SCUM WIN)

[Ellibereth]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 10

Bouncy.Bouncy

- 6 - Fate, wolframnhart, RedCoyote, StrangerCoug, Faraday, Farside - (L-4)

Farside

- 1 - Rayfrost - (L-9)

Pomegranate

- 2 - Socrates, Porkens - (L-8)

Rayfrost

- 2 - Hoopla, Ellibereth - (L-8)

The1fifi

- 1 - Bouncy.Bouncy - (L-9)

wolframnhart

- 1 - Jack - (L-9)

Players not voting: curiouskarmadog, Devotress, DocPotter, Pomegranate, The1fifi, TonyMontana

Unvote, vote Wolf

[RayFrost]

Errr no.
A neighborizer would almost definitely have targetted themself and someone else. :/

this.

[RayFrost]

Rolefishing is worse than roleouting?

Shouldn't you be on the bouncy wagon, Ray?

he hasn't claimed my role.

then again, he's prob scum, sooooo...

should I claim with results or what?

[Ellibereth]

Rolefishing is worse than roleouting?

Shouldn't you be on the bouncy wagon, Ray?

he hasn't claimed my role.

then again, he's prob scum, sooooo...

should I claim with results or what?

...didyoujustclaim?...
*HEADDESK*

[farside22]

Errr no.
A neighborizer would almost definitely have targetted themself and someone else. :/

*shrug* maybe

[RayFrost]

not really.

I asked if I should claim with results.

not what results.

if I have any.

y'see, I like WIFOMing about my role.

it's probably a bad habit, but hey...~

[farside22]

Rolefishing is worse than roleouting?

Shouldn't you be on the bouncy wagon, Ray?

he hasn't claimed my role.

then again, he's prob scum, sooooo...

should I claim with results or what?

If you think bouncy is scum you should be voting him. I'm theorizing on talk with players outside the game. If the neighbor is in the game and using it on himself/herself then I retract the question. I hope they grill the hell out of people if they are in the game.

[RayFrost]

unvote, vote: bouncy

your explanation is good enough.

[The1fifi]

If ray is going to claim, we should have bouncy tell his results first. then wait for Ray's claim.

[RayFrost]

If ray is going to claim, we should have bouncy tell his results first. then wait for Ray's claim.

yup.

[The1fifi]

right, so now the game is stoped while we wait for a minimal poster -.- yupi

[RayFrost]

fifi, you could always scumhunt elsewhere.

why are you so focused purely on obuncy and not looking at other areas?

[The1fifi]

not much free time!

[bouncy.bouncy]

EBWOP: bouncy, what do you mean when you say random?

random.org random

@Bouncy: Wouldn't it make more sense to target one of the top roles? Maybe you could have dound out the cop/vig, or something similar, and be able to unmask fake claims, since cop/vig are common claims when under pressure.

Could you explain your reasoning a little better? If it's supposedly common knowledge that cop/vig go to the top picks, why would a lower pick claim them?

Anyways, I really had no idea what a good investigation strategy should be, except verifying claims that have already happened.

Bullshit.

Your vote stays on me all day, and you don't even investigate me? If you thought I was scum, wouldn't you want to see if I had a scum role to back it up?

I don't suspect you anymore for that "what townies would say" stuff. I know this sounds awful, but when I read your quote later, I didn't see what was so bad about it--I honestly can't explain how I thought it was scummy. And I unvoted you, as you can see.

You also ADMIT that your role is next to useless in PYP. Why the hell did you choose it with #3 slot?

Didn't you read the rest of that post? I wanted to stop scum from taking it.@Bouncy: Do you think telling us Ray's role will help town or scum? Surely a player as great as you can figure that one out, or are you just going to give Ray the benefit of the doubt?[/quote]I don't know whether it will help town or scum. How about you show me logically who it will benefit so that you can make me look like a moron?

@ Everybody: give me an answer, am I revealing RayFrost's role or not?

[bouncy.bouncy]

Sorry, end of that post should be this:

Didn't you read the rest of that post? I wanted to stop scum from taking it.

@Bouncy: Do you think telling us Ray's role will help town or scum? Surely a player as great as you can figure that one out, or are you just going to give Ray the benefit of the doubt?

I don't know whether it will help town or scum. How about you show me logically who it will benefit so that you can make me look like a moron?

@ Everybody: give me an answer, am I revealing RayFrost's role or not?

[Fate]

PROGRESS YAY! BOUNCIES READY TO DIE!

RANDOM.ORG FOR NIGHT ACTIONS? HOLY HELL.

KILL THIS WITH FIRE!

[Fate]

="Bouncy"] don't know whether it will help town or scum. How about you show me logically who it will benefit so that you can make me look like a moron?

Besides the last part not making sense,

I agree we bouncy looks worse at this point, and should answer all the questions, but here's how I see it:

1. Bouncy's scum.
1a. Scum already knows RF's role
1b. Scum fakeclaimed Role Cop to out the real role cop, and try to get RF to claim

2. Bouncy's town.
2a. Frost reveals his information before he gets NK'd, doc'd, etc.
2b. Frost doesn't reveal, leaves scum guessing.

I think 1b is the most unlikely situation, as bouncy didn't look

so

bad that he would need to resort to last minute measures like that.

I think bouncy is scum more than town, pending his answers that I probably won't be satisfied with, which is why I lean on 1a.

Though 2b is a better situation for town, 1a is more likely at this point, imo.

I already did. Just claim what RFrost is... *sigh*

[Fate]

For anyone that doesn't like their arguments posted in all caps, I'll offer you this:

Would anyone, with any sane mind, in any game of mafia, investigate someone's role based completely at random?

Maybe?

Ok.

Would anyone, with any sane mind, in

this

game of mafia, where the bottom picks on the draft list have a considerable less chance of having a role than others, investigate their target at random?

I especially want to hear from Ellie, who has been maintaining town bouncy so far, and only poked in to mention farsides' rolefishing.

[StrangerCoug]

PROGRESS YAY! BOUNCIES READY TO DIE!

RANDOM.ORG FOR NIGHT ACTIONS? HOLY HELL.

KILL THIS WITH FIRE!

Quoted for truth. Have a reason to target people.

[The1fifi]

RANDOM.ORG FOR NIGHT ACTIONS? HOLY HELL

I tend to agree. For a player who barely makes an efort to scum hunt or contribute to the game, you use random.org for night action? really?

Plus when i meant target was target was your investigation player, not target like "getting the role".

Before

KILL THIS WITH FIRE!

we should mop it in gasoline.

Vote bouncy

[bouncy.bouncy]

Where did you come up with 2b? Are you suggesting that I might want to lie about RayFrost's role? Then what's the point of me saying anything in the first place?

[Fate]

No. 2b is if you're both town, and you don't reveal his role nor does he, so scum doesn't find out.

[Jack]

Quoted for truth. Have a reason to target people.

I retract what I said about bouncy looking town. This very much sounds like his scum partner is the role cop. The scum partner had a reason for picking ray frost, but bouncy doesn't know what it is-->so he claims to have used random.org.

[bouncy.bouncy]

Would anyone, with any sane mind, in

this

game of mafia, where the bottom picks on the draft list have a considerable less chance of having a role than others, investigate their target at random?

Um okay, I guess I'm either an insane scum or an insane townie.

But really, you're dumb if you think getting a Vanilla result from an investigation is a waste.

[RayFrost]

bouncy, claim your result.

unless you are claiming you got VT on me?