Mini 927: Alabama Correctional Facility - OVER

[Max]

I just spent a great deal of time trying to find out my wincon then in the rules it cleared it up when I read that there are no serial killers. Unless I'm another third party role.

Shove farside: 10

[Max]

Huh, where did I claim third party? I said that I didn't have a wincon. That has since been rectified.

Shove

:
Max - 1
UncertainKitten - 2
Minineko - 3
Ellibereth - 4
Jahudo - 5
farside22 - 6
HackerHuck - 7
Super Awesome Mega Pimp! - 8
Cobalt - 9
pwnman - 10
Grimmy - 11
SpyreX - 12

[Max]

How did it saying "no Sk's" in the rules clear it up then?

Because if there are no SKs then I doubt there are any other third party roles. I PMd DGB and the best thing to presume is that you have no role: ergo neither pro nor anti town role. Therefore it is not one of the two main parties it must be a third party.

It's logical.

[Max]

Wrong order! Order players first, then assign a position. It has to fit nicely in my Excel worksheet. Try again.

I don't get you DGB. How is pwnman's wrong yet mine is right?

[Max]

Shove:
pwnman-2
UncertainKitten-3
Minineko-4
Ellibereth-5
Jahudo-6
SpyreX-7
Max-1
farside22-8
HackerHuck-9
Super Awesome Mega Pimp!-10
Cobalt-11
Grimmy-12

Is this one right? I'm running a bit low on time so will return tomorrow to post.

[Max]

A third party or no party? Do you have any incentive to do anything? This doesn't look like a mafia type scum gambit, so this randomness doesn't bother me now.

I do, now I have a wincon.

Seriously guys, not having a wincon means I couldn't play the game, I don't see how that's given me grief. The only way I realised it before DGB officially is by spending a long time reading the rules (especially rule 7) and discovering that the opposite to what I expected is true, and that people who are the warden's pet are the good guys.

Shove:
UncertainKitten 11
Minineko 12
Ellibereth 10
Jahudo 2
SpyreX 8
Max 1
farside22 5
HackerHuck 6
Super Awesome Mega Pimp! 3
Cobalt 4
pwnman 7
Grimmy 9

Minneko appears to have disappeared, thus the least content therefore last.
UncertainKitten making only comments regarding set-up than scum hunting.
Ellibereth seems to be only changing two people and making the rest middle. I don't see what SpyreX has done, he's basically talked about the mechanic, not done anything.
Jahudo has been one if the few players actually analysing the game. That's earned him brownie points. Though he has been hypocritical and not explained his pushing. Considering however his last shoves were quite some time ago it doesn't shove him far down.
I've already spoken about SpyreX.
farside is an interesting read in ISO 14, she only has reads on two players? Really?
HackerHuch seems to be trying, regardless of if it's good.
SAMP, good posting, not all mechanic based, but what he's said on mechanic is not just common sense thinking ahead for future analysis.
pwnman has just posted shoves... so I'm leaving him mid-table.
Grimmy not really posted much, what he's said is that he's trying to keep himself alive.

[Max]

I realised that I didn't look at Cobalt in ISO, so that explains his high position so I'll have a look tomorrow and attack if necessary

[Max]

SRS BUSINESS

???? SRS?

This type of "voting" can make it easier for scum to manipulate positions, so I suggest that we evaluate where a person ends up in the average after someones shove, not so much where they put that person in line.

Like in a real game I'm voting not based on any positions but based on who I think is scum. I think tactically voting could be considered a scum tell in this period.

I dislike post 132 by SAMP - tunneling is never good for town. Why threaten to do so? I agree that he is looking awfully scummy and I'm probably going to push him down the list somewhat but tunneling is BAD

[Max]

Intriguing. Quoting rolepms are modkillable offences regardless of if it's in the rules. I mean seriously, just don't do it even if you can, it ruins the game.

[Max]

SpyreX, you aren't "doin' it" for me either. So you know, quid pro quo. Tomorrow I'll do a bit of analysing since my last main post and reorder.

[Max]

Shove:
Max 1
Jahudo 2
Super Awesome Mega Pimp! 3
Cobalt 4
farside22 5
HackerHuck 6
pwnman 7
SpyreX 8
Grimmy 9
Ellibereth 10
UncertainKitten 11
Minineko 12

Shove:
UncertainKitten 9
Minineko 10
Ellibereth 6
Jahudo 2
SpyreX 8
Max 1
farside22 4
HackerHuck 5
Super Awesome Mega Pimp! 7
Cobalt 11
Grimmy 3

Cobalt gone to bottom, seen nothing positive from him all game. (down by 7)
SAMP: Willing to tunnel, intent fully manipulating the votes, as we have seen third parties exist (survivors) but going through this technique to get a lynch you want rubs me up the wrong way.
I'm still liking hacker huck, not more than farside though.


Swapped Elli and Spyrex after bumping up one, feel that Elli is improving game play wise yet spyrex just seems to be contentless.
Grimmy bumped up I'm liking what I see, better than before by far.

minineko missed me out last post and has me low down. Which is interesting. And promised a look at votes without doing so.
Why did you place Eli first when you had farside as defo town and eli as probs town?


I'll do more reading then do more posting...

[Max]

Well I think there is a probability that he is scum. I am disliking his play since he tunnelled on Cobalt. However I might say that cobalt is OMGUSing SAMP

[Max]

So you are intentionally going against the plurality?

That's scummy is it not?

[Max]

EBWOP: Scummy to intentionally ensure the lynch of someone you want lynched than most people?

[Max]

For these calculations Mininikos new order has 4 twice so has been ignored. (Old One Used)

All Ranked Voting Methods state that:
http://www.ericgorr.net/condorcet/

Insert the following information:
HackerHuck>Minineko>Grimmy>farside22>Super Awesome Mega Pimp!>Jahudo>SpyreX>UncertainKitten>Cobalt>Max>Ellibereth
Super Awesome Mega Pimp!>Minineko>Grimmy>HackerHuck>Max>Jahudo>farside22>SpyreX>Ellibereth>UncertainKitten>Cobalt
Cobalt>SpyreX>HackerHuck>Grimmy>Super Awesome Mega Pimp!>UncertainKitten>Minineko>Jahudo>Ellibereth>Max>farside22
Cobalt>HackerHuck>Minineko>UncertainKitten>Super Awesome Mega Pimp!>farside22>Jahudo>Ellibereth>SpyreX>Max>Grimmy
Cobalt>SpyreX>Ellibereth>UncertainKitten>Jahudo>Grimmy>farside22>Minineko>Super Awesome Mega Pimp!>Max>HackerHuck
Cobalt>HackerHuck>Minineko>Ellibereth>UncertainKitten>SpyreX>Grimmy>farside22>Super Awesome Mega Pimp!>Max>Jahudo
Cobalt>Minineko>UncertainKitten>SpyreX>Super Awesome Mega Pimp!>Ellibereth>HackerHuck>farside22>Grimmy>Jahudo>Max
UncertainKitten>Super Awesome Mega Pimp!>SpyreX>farside22>HackerHuck>Jahudo>Ellibereth>Max>Cobalt>Grimmy>Minineko
HackerHuck>Max>Grimmy>farside22>Minineko>Super Awesome Mega Pimp!>UncertainKitten>Jahudo>Ellibereth>Cobalt>SpyreX
Cobalt>Max>Jahudo>farside22>Super Awesome Mega Pimp!>Ellibereth>SpyreX>UncertainKitten>Grimmy>HackerHuck>Minineko
Minineko>Cobalt>Grimmy>HackerHuck>Max>Super Awesome Mega Pimp!>Ellibereth>farside22>Jahudo>SpyreX>UncertainKitten

And it will confirm (The results are reverse of how players votes as the scummiest is lowest in our votes yet the other way around if we want to know who to lynch.

People have voted against cobalt he has a majority of players voting him last so going against a majority when in normal mafia games he'd be lynched is an interesting stand point. Defending him is one thing, but arguing that he shouldn't be lynched because you'd rather lynch someone else is weak.

[Max]

The players are manipulating the votes to ensure that Cobalt is lynched.

Their rankings are the exact reverse of the overall shove rankings asides from Cobalt who they've placed at the bottom.

[Max]

The vote counts are being corrupted. By

Scum

Manipulating votes is scummy. Especially when people defend it by saying that it's to hinder scum. When it gives town something to hide behind.

[Max]

I believe that Cobalt is scum. I believe that SAMP is probably scum. And I also believe that SpyreX is scum.

My potential Scum list includes (but is not limited to): UncertainKitty and Minineko

My neutrals are: HackerHuck, Jahudo.

Town Leaning: Ellibereth, Farside

Town: Grimmy

[Max]

I'm going to move Minineko up, as I believe though scummier than Hacker the information acquired by a Hacker lynch is greater than that from a mini lynch. And I believe that minineko will pick up activity tomorrow.

Shove:
UncertainKitten 10
Minineko 1
Ellibereth 7
Jahudo 3
SpyreX 9
Max 2
farside22 5
HackerHuck 6
Super Awesome Mega Pimp! 8
Cobalt 11
Grimmy 4

[Max]

They are. I don't care what people argue it is inherently scummy. Doing it to get the lynch of someone you want is something.

Mine is a matter of producing a more informative lynch, i.e. "the deadline issue"

[Max]

Moving to get a SAMP > Hacker Lynch as really I think SAMP is scum. And have been saying so for a while

Shove:
UncertainKitten 10
Minineko 6
Ellibereth 7
Jahudo 3
SpyreX 9
Max 2
farside22 5
HackerHuck 1
Super Awesome Mega Pimp! 11
Cobalt 8
Grimmy 4

[Max]

I've never though Hacker was scum, just felt he was more likely to be a good lynch info wise than Minineko.
I moved hacker down to prevent a Minineko lynch. And moved SAMP down as I have been saying I've found he's scummy for a long while.

[Max]

Wow. First game in a long while NKd night one. I had suspicion of elli and cobalt. Jahudo I only thought was scummy for the inversion thing.

DGB night actions from letters etc?