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Post Post #375 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:42 pm

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Vote Count IX

[3] Sakako - (DeathRowKitty, Netopalis, kyle99)

[3] MonkeyMan576 - (AlmasterGM, almightybob, Espeonage)
[2] Nikanor - (Lowell, Sakako)
[1] almightybob - (hitogoroshi)
[1] Lowell - (Nikanor)
[1] kyle99 - (MonkeyMan576)
[0] DeathRowKitty - ()
[0] AlmasterGM - ()
[0] Netopalis - ()
[0] xRECKONERx - ()
[0] Espeonage - ()
[0] hitogoroshi - ()

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No prods right now. Poll going up. (I still have final word what happens, and I'm currently leaning not replacing.) Just curious if it's a *really* big deal to people. By the way, I voted the comedy option. =]
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Post Post #376 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:05 pm

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I like the poll. Nifty.
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Post Post #377 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:05 pm

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I really don't think we should be force-replacing Nikanor unless he refuses to participate, which is not the case. Let him decide if he can continue.
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Post Post #378 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:07 pm

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Agreed, we can't force replace yet. After 2 prods, if he needs a 3rd, we can do it.
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Post Post #379 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:09 pm

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Plus, the game is only 6 days old...
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Post Post #380 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:19 pm

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Nik needs to be force replaced regardless.
Lowell and Sakako need to put their votes elsewhere. It's scummy to have your votes on the "safe" idle/inactive player.
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Post Post #381 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:07 pm

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almightybob wrote:
xRECKONERx wrote:Why Monkey over the other two? You spend this whole post talking about not liking Sakako's hopping, then point out Monkey's quick vote hop, but you say nothing about kyle. And, by your own logic, Sakako should be equally as viable as MonkeyMan... what makes MM's hopping scummier than Sak's?
Maybe it's that Monkey's scumminess is fresher in my mind. MM's hopping isn't scummier than Sak's, but his shift in opinion about meta (as pointed out by Almaster) definitely is.
I would be happy with Sak as well, but when I'd just finished reading those pages to catch up, Monkey was at the front of my mind. I didn't like his earlier dismissal of points against him, and now this. It's a very slight preference of him over Sak, but it's there.

Kyle hasn't done enough to seem out-and-out scummy to me. He's been accused of lurking and only posting to respond, which does seem true. However, just from this game he doesn't seem all that scummy to me. The reason I would be happy for a lynch on him is that so many people have taken stances against him, hopped on and off the wagon, called for his lynch for meta reasons etc etc. It would be a good informational lynch. That is the aspect of DRK's post that I agreed with.
Just to clarify, I never changed my opinion about meta, my opinion is, that meta shouldnt be used as the sole basis of defending yourself. There's nothing wrong with using meta as a means of understanding playstyles. In Kyle's case, I have played with him before, so it would be poor judgement on my part not to use meta to analyze his performance. Neto however, was using a meta defence as the only way to defend himself. So there is nothing inconsistant about my position.
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Post Post #382 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:39 pm

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Hey guys, sorry for the little posting. I am having severe issues focusing on anything right now, and when I can't even get myself to sit down and do schoolwork (e.g, real commitments) it's hard for me to honor little, informal internet commitments.

I'll finish catch up posting sometime soon, though you guys don't exactly make it easy (you guys post a lot, and it's usually not solid content but fluffy garbage that you don't so much read as wade through).

But I can at least give my three reads that matter the most - that is, the primary lynch candidates for today.

I'm getting a strong newb-town read from Sakako. I remember someone (DRK?) saying that he is not at all obv-town but I'd disagree. While it's true that his style is something worryingly easy for scum to replicate, whenever I've lynched a player like Sakako it's invariably been a town flip.

Monkey is neutral. He's been confrontational and mildly self-focused, two thinks I generally use to call town. But at the same time he's also exploded this thread on mildly trivial points which is what I suspect scum would like to do to try to drown out most of the town (it's certainly working on me).

Kyle is my favorite lynch candidate for today. He's playing disturbingly similar to the game I played with him when he was scum. Admittedly this is fairly similar to his town play - but at least as town I saw him try to lead a bit more whereas here he's back to being entirely reactive.

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Post Post #383 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:44 pm

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MonkeyMan576 wrote:Just to clarify, I never changed my opinion about meta, my opinion is, that meta shouldnt be used as the sole basis of defending yourself. There's nothing wrong with using meta as a means of understanding playstyles. In Kyle's case, I have played with him before, so it would be poor judgement on my part not to use meta to analyze his performance. Neto however, was using a meta defence as the only way to defend himself. So there is nothing inconsistant about my position.
So if you use meta, it's OK, but if other people do, it's not? I don't see the difference between you using meta to attack and exonerate people and Neto using it to defend himself. Either way, at best, you're advocacy shifting, as this "clarification" has been
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Post Post #384 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:17 pm

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AlmasterGM wrote:
MonkeyMan576 wrote:Just to clarify, I never changed my opinion about meta, my opinion is, that meta shouldnt be used as the sole basis of defending yourself. There's nothing wrong with using meta as a means of understanding playstyles. In Kyle's case, I have played with him before, so it would be poor judgement on my part not to use meta to analyze his performance. Neto however, was using a meta defence as the only way to defend himself. So there is nothing inconsistant about my position.
So if you use meta, it's OK, but if other people do, it's not? I don't see the difference between you using meta to attack and exonerate people and Neto using it to defend himself. Either way, at best, you're advocacy shifting, as this "clarification" has been
completely
unclear until right now. At worst, you're still being hypocritical.
No, you're not understanding my position. I'm saying meta shouldn't be used as the SOLE means of defending yourself. That's different than combining different analytical methods for a defence or attack.
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Post Post #385 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:27 pm

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*shrugs* My only point was that I don't like to participate in RVS and that I do it in all of my games. I didn't even say that you had to find it that authoritative.
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Post Post #386 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:39 pm

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Netopalis wrote:*shrugs* My only point was that I don't like to participate in RVS and that I do it in all of my games. I didn't even say that you had to find it that authoritative.
Then would you have a counterargument to someone who found not participating in RVS scummy?
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Post Post #387 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:55 pm

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@hito: what about waiting to see if a vig can take care of kyle?
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Post Post #388 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:03 pm

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I don't see why it's scummy to begin with. Players who know that they aren't very good at it should stay out of it. Townies are to only act in a pro-town manner. My staying out of the RVS is an extension of that duty.
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Post Post #389 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:02 pm

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xRECKONERx wrote:It's scummy to have your votes on the "safe" idle/inactive player.
Okay, but what would you say if I did this?

Unvote, Vote: MonkeyMan576


That's also a pretty "safe" wagon to be on. It just so happens that I don't like his play, either.
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Post Post #390 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:03 pm

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And it feels rather opportunistic. But, yeah, rereading tomorrow.
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Post Post #391 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:08 pm

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I take is Nika is staying then?
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Post Post #392 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:09 pm

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I think the complete opposite. There are 5 votes for the forced-replace, and there are 3 on each of the other two options.
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Post Post #393 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:30 pm

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Poll taken down. I've gotten everything out of it that I wanted to get from it. Carry on, carry on.

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Post Post #394 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:59 pm

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Netopalis wrote:I don't see why it's scummy to begin with. Players who know that they aren't very good at it should stay out of it. Townies are to only act in a pro-town manner. My staying out of the RVS is an extension of that duty.
How can you be bad at RVS? You vote someone random...and lol and the Sakako vote. I would be extremely suspicious of anyone who adds to my wagon from here on out.
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Post Post #395 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:25 pm

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See: Nouns Mafia. http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12654

In which I am lynched on D1 for disliking the fact that Boxman gets put to 3 votes randomly on P3.
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Post Post #396 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:41 pm

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Analogy: I got lynched once for hammering the wrong person, so I'm never going to hammer again.

Is this good or bad logic?
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Post Post #397 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:48 pm

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ITT, Monkey tries to forcibly make a null tell look scummy.
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Post Post #398 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:16 pm

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What does ITT mean?
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Post Post #399 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:50 pm

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DeathRowKitty wrote:ITT, Monkey tries to forcibly make a null tell look scummy.
Bad logic is scummy.

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