Teleportation Mafia Universe ONE (MAFIA A WINS!)

[CSL]

Day 2 Vote Count

CSL ( 3 ) Rhinox Ellibereth Hoopla
elvis_knits ( 0 )
evilsnail ( 1 ) farside22
farside22 ( 1 ) popsofctown
fishythefish ( 1 ) evilsnail
Hoopla ( 0 )
gayle ( 0 )
mykonian ( 0 )
ojanen ( 0 )
Ellibereth ( 0 )
popsofctown ( 3 ) gayle elvis_knits fishythefish
Raskol ( 1 ) mykonian
Rhinox ( 1 ) ojanen
Maelyn ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 3 ) CSL Raskol Maelyn
Total Votes ( 14 )

With 14 alive, 8 needed to lynch.
Deadline: Feb 22nd 19:00 EST

/ghostslay

[mykonian]

ok, I hate to pull out this argument, as this is going to hurt my next games, but:

meta
meta
meta

First one was the clearest, I thought. In case you don't want to read it: people's gut read on me is too often that I'm manipulating scum. Then they are going to try to find arguments with it, usually resulting in as many completely different cases as there are votes on me, ending with the mislynch.

Contrary to the amount of posting and scumhunting I try to do in those games, I am often the first or second lynch.

Now, this is such a sad story, but that part is my problem, and I'm working on that. But if your problem with me is essentially that your gut says I'm manipulating, then I'm afraid you have found my normal playstyle

[CSL]

Mykonian, I keep getting metalynched all of the time. I'm used to it.

[evilsnail]

Maybe you should take something from that, CSL.

[mykonian]

Mykonian, I keep getting metalynched all of the time. I'm used to it.

I pretend to work on a solution, but till now I have only found two solutions: play with the intention not to get lynched (mad libbed mafia), or as a subcatagory: (active)lurk a bit.

Both are, in my opinion not right ways to take, even if the current meta doesn't accept this playstyle. I'd rather not make it worse then what I have now.

[Gayle]

Further, I see very little "misleading" here. You simply did it off as "I saw that happening in his discussions/debates". Now you did have to come up with something, and this is the mess it gives.

Look at those points under arguments. They are misleading. You mislead whenever someone attacks you. You flip attacks into your attacker being scummy or you respond to attacks with a flurry of posts or you try to discredit an attack with theory discussion. Even in this back and forth between me and you have been misleading. When I say "It is strange that the thought that scum don't want to be teleported didn't occur to you", you respond with "I never said scum wanted to be teleported".

your interpretation. I never said, nor meant that. [...] Never I claim to be town.

I

don't think I would do that as scum

, aggressively investigating Farside, as I know her a bit. It is kind of foolish to attack farside, since you will get a response. It is her nature.

Wat.

your problem, not mine. The only way you can argue for that is in case someone doesn't bring anything new: I did. You act like I have to prove myself

You

do

have to prove that you are scum hunting and not just latching onto someone else's case.

Exactly. It never did.

I find that hard to believe. Especially since you keep mentioning how you didn't think of it.

[elvis_knits]

Can we lynch pops please?

[mykonian]

Further, I see very little "misleading" here. You simply did it off as "I saw that happening in his discussions/debates". Now you did have to come up with something, and this is the mess it gives.

Look at those points under arguments. They are misleading. You mislead whenever someone attacks you. You flip attacks into your attacker being scummy or you respond to attacks with a flurry of posts or you try to discredit an attack with theory discussion. Even in this back and forth between me and you have been misleading. When I say "It is strange that the thought that

scum don't want to be teleported didn't occur to you

", you respond with "I never said scum wanted to be teleported".

yes. You ask the question, which I correct with what I explained before, with what I thought. Your question had nothing to do with my play, it is a strawman.

your problem, not mine. The only way you can argue for that is in case someone doesn't bring anything new: I did. You act like I have to prove myself

You

do

have to prove that you are scum hunting and not just latching onto someone else's case.

I am talking about general play. You aren't. If I agree with someone, I am going to say that. If I have nothing to add, I am not going to make something up.

Exactly. It never did.

I find that hard to believe. Especially since you keep mentioning how you didn't think of it.

That is the same, isn't it? I never thought they would mind=>never thought about scum's motives with teleports. So it never occurred to me scum would have problems with it. Scums main motivation is to stay alive, and this seemed to have nothing to do with it.

[elvis_knits]

Mykonian, can you please only argue about things that matter? TIA.

[mykonian]

Mykonian, can you please only argue about things that matter? TIA.

Weren't you the "posts is information person"?

and to me, defense and answering questions matters. And because a lot of what I say gets misinterpreted anyway, I can better get solid reasonings in my post, making them long. NOT MY PROBLEM.

[elvis_knits]

Weren't YOU the "this thread is too long" person?

I like posts that have information in them. I'd say more than half of what you end upr arguing about is semantics... or just ends up making arguments longer rather than cutting to the chase and resolving something or making a decision. And then you go and argue about stuff like this. WHICH HELPS NOTHING.

Seriously, you're impossible.

[elvis_knits]

Let's just lynch pops and send mykonian to the other universe.

[Ellibereth]

How many votes on pops right now?

[zoraster]

i'll get a vote count up ASAP. Been sick all weekend, sorry.

[Fishythefish]

@pops: I think your attacks on DGB look genuinely bad. They were pretty well the first thing that made me suspect you, and I won't write them off as confirmation bias.

@Hoopla: in what way is pops "winning against me"? I am pretty much saying that his posts look insincere; he is shrugging and saying that they were sincere (which is, of course, a fair defense). The arguing around the edges (confirmation bias, DGB is an odd player) is really not important. What do you think of pops's day 1 votes, particularly on DGB? Do you believe them?

Further evidence that Fishy's plan to keep Elli around is a bad idea.

What was the other evidence?

Did you read my plan? And the reasons for it? They are good reasons.

possible V/LA

: my access probably won't be so good for the rest of the week. I'll get on from time to time, but at the rate the thread is going I'm probably not going to be able to keep up. Things will improve again in 5-7 days time.

[elvis_knits]

I am willing to lynch the following people, this is my preference order:

1)pops
2)rhinox
3)csl

I don't know about mykonian. I continue to have a hard time with him. I can't tell how much is playstyle/theory disagreement and how much is scummy, and I don't trust myself here.

[zorastermod]

Day 2 Vote Count

CSL ( 3 ) Rhinox Ellibereth Hoopla
elvis_knits ( 0 )
evilsnail ( 1 ) farside22
farside22 ( 1 ) popsofctown
fishythefish ( 1 ) evilsnail
Hoopla ( 0 )
gayle ( 0 )
mykonian ( 0 )
ojanen ( 0 )
Ellibereth ( 0 )
popsofctown ( 3 ) gayle elvis_knits fishythefish
Raskol ( 1 ) mykonian
Rhinox ( 1 ) ojanen
Maelyn ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 3 ) CSL Raskol Maelyn
Total Votes ( 14 )

With 14 alive, 8 needed to lynch.
Deadline: Feb 22nd 19:00 EST

[Fishythefish]

So, that V/LA of mine and that deadline may, in effect, mean that I'm voting based on how things are right now. I'll try to be a bit more up to date than that, but if not my order of preference still goes:
pops>CSL>Rhinox
Although CSL>Rhinox is a pretty close run thing; CSL is a

very

good teleport.

[elvis_knits]

Hello lovely mod,

I hope you are feeling better!

Can you prod Maelyn?

done

Thanks!

[Ellibereth]

You should prod their individual accounts IMO. Whatevs.

Unvote, Vote Pops

Csl is a waaaaaaaay better teleport than Myko.

[popsofctown]

Seems like another innocent victim of the girls' club. I don't remember anything against him making sense, but he gets attacked all the time.

Then why did you post this:

When you ignore questions from other posters you're pretty useless.

Because it just seemed like you were enflaming the myko-hate by posting that, and enouraging more fighting.

(Also, "another innocent victim of the girls' club" really rubs me the wrong way. You can consider your application denied.)

It was a playful joke. Look at the times, I actually ninja'ed him and knew so.

[popsofctown]

Farside22 case

I don't want to contradict that case on my scumbuddy and get linked to her, or support it and kill her until I see everybody else react. Instead let's lynch pops for not posting content by calling everything I disagree with "not content", and lynch him for using such obviously insincere methods of scumhunting as observing exact copies of play a player committed as scum. First. Omgsheep.

[Ellibereth]

I'd be fine lynching any of csl, evil, pops, rhino, and whoever else isn't an obvious town read.
We just need a freaking lynch already.

[popsofctown]

Rhino is an obvious town read.

[farside22]

Did I just see pops vote for me after calling me town all of day 1 and the only case he never agreed with or followed me on was his own.

Not only that but trying to build a case when anyone who looks at my sig knows I was gone for the weekend.
wow that just cold.

Anyways I want to read everything I missed while I was gone I just needed to comment about the coldness that is pops