Apathy wrote:@Ray - Still one of my prime suspects. He has been continuously trying to direct the range of the game.
Every time any suspicion comes up besides himself, he seems to want everyone to instantly focus on that.
Apathy in the same post wrote:It could be an honest town move, but with the
implied tone (since he wants to say that implications in wording matter) seems to be "stop looking at me, hey look over there instead".
I'm too lazy to pull out the laughingelfman.jpg image.
Apathy wrote:I believe that (as much as phaen (who is the only person to really try and defend you/attack me so far) wants to try to vindicate you), your defense from my original points was weak. I will admit that 80% of my first posts were mostly over the edge, but my idea was to stimulate a REAL reaction out of you, which sort-of worked, and also got some discussion flowing around the other members of the town. So far, besides my few attacks, its just been you and prana, which in the event you both are town, has served as a welcome distraction from any other suspicion for a majority of the last few pages.
I don't see why you need to bring up the fact another person is defending me and
they are the only one
, unless you want me to feel isolated and without support in order to somehow undermine my confidence and assured-ness. Care to explain the purpose of that part of your post?
IIRC, your original points were... 'saying you are town a lot' (disproven), 'saying you are town as a defense' (disproven), 'you are being defensive' (defended against), and 'you are not scumhunting enough' (imo, this is a rather weak attack very early in the game in which virtually no scumhunting has been done by
anybody
. it's a catch-all accusation that could be used about virtually anybody), and those were the meat of your accusations. And then, right after you say that it was purely to get a
real
reaction from me (nice implication that I was faking my reactions before that point, by the way), you attack me for having a large debate with prana, which
you quite blatantly helped fuel in the first damned place with your accusations
. To try and make the argument between me and Prana suddenly not-in-any-way-related-to-you is extremely scummy. You can't just throw accusations at somebody and then say 'omfg, your huge argument about you being scummy is totally not my fault, and you are distracting the town'
Seriously.
It's not like you did a damned thing to help in any way.
After all, you didn't even post.
Your stuff about redbox is fencesitting and wishy-washy at best.
'he seems noob townie, but I'm not really sure, and he could be scum because he's not actively participating' sums up your stance towards him. amazing in how you can go from you think he's town to you aren't certain about that to he may be scum but you dunno in two sentences.
Your stance to parana is completely incorrect, and your speculation about his role is
highly
suspect and is almost certainly rolefishing. He started off a large amount of pressure, then, as
other players came to attack me
, he started to reanalyze his stance. NOBODY HAD ATTACKED HIM AT THE TIME. The wagon on me almost certainly would've gone through, so a) isn't really feasible, considering he hadn't been attacked and I hadn't been defended (note that you say 'few more players' come to my defense when, in your stuff about me, you say only phaen has really defended me. very nice use of stating the facts in the way that best suits making somebody seem scummy / etc).
And I bet you would've 'urgently pushed' my lynch as well if you had in any way been present in the game. But you didn't post at all when things started to heat up.
It'd kinda like...
Guy who caused a problem (me): *stands in front of the mob*
Mob that's pissed off (the town): *wonders if they should attack*
Mayor that's selfish and devious (apathy): *sneaks by* 'it's all his fault, get him' *leaves*
Mob: *attacks*
Guy: *defends*
Person in the mob: Guys, you know, maybe it's not entirely his fault.
Mob: *calms the fook down*
Mayor: why were you guys all rioting and getting worked up? you were being ridiculous, now settle down and work o fixing the problem, don't pass the blame to others.
srsly.
I like how you don't point out any contradictions by fuzzy. Also, fuzzy is our
. HOW IN THE FOOK DO YOU DISMISS HIM AS INEXPERIENCED TOWN
ie
!? not only do you speculate about his role (town
ie
), but you dismiss him based off of something that is factually untrue.
you don't state what is suspicious about skill in depth, you just go 'kinda strange uneasy gut feeling'
I'd also like to point out you are doing much the same as what you call skill out for doing - 'giving us enough but not too much'
Also, you make it seem like one of prana or myself must be right with the other wrong. false dichotomy.
already answered the stuff on me.
oh, forgot the 'I haven't seen a lot of
real
scumhunting'
Yeah, ummm... point out what my 'fake' scumhunting is, bub. Also explain to me, oh wise one, the great mysteries of mafia. Please unlock the ancient wisdom that you have gained from your great apathetical stance on the subject.
Also, point out the 'all-in-all easy' lynch
es
I have pushed for.
Citation needed
.
"I like phaen's posting so far." What about that isn't clear? It means I get a
townish read
. Seriously. You show bursts of insight and then suddenly pretend to not understand these kinds of things when they are obviously within your realm of understanding. So... deliberate misunderstanding = misrepresentation = scummy.
yeah, my posts are all mostly fluff, awesome reading comprehension, there. I totally don't state any real views or do any real scumhunting or n any way help the town. Man, I'm just so obv scum. (I'm showing you the ridiculousness of your viewpoint. If you find that what you just read offends you, then your own stance is offending you, and you should reevaluate it) fail'd at reading the thread mark #1
jmurph stuff is just agreeing with the majority, worthless in just about every way.
attacks phaen for thinking his posts are bad, implies all arguments but the 'repeated town claim' thing were good despite claiming earlier in the post that his posts were stretching in reasoning and, hence, bad. ++ contradiction/scum points
'who are you to speak for his actions' - easy attack on somebody for defending somebody else, pathetic attempt to demean the importance of other individuals and their own understanding, shows narrow-minded aggressiveness that is wholly unnecessary and very scummy in that it attempts to beat phaen down rather than actually have any form of discussion, debate, or, really, sharing of views. yet thinks attacking me for 'over-defensiveness'
still
remains a good argument. Also, just to turn your own question against you, WHO ARE YOU TO SAY SPEAK FOR MY ACTIONS? WHO ARE YOU TO SAY MY ACTIONS ARE SCUMMY OR TOWNISH? these are the same questions just worded differently. play-acting isn't the same as mafia. technically, everybody in this game is 'acting' as part of their role in the -game-. 'play-acting' is a joking, light-hearted acting, examples of which you can find in my numerous joking posts. good day.
uh-huh. if you had read, you'd realize phaen already covered this (as phaen has mentioned). fail'd at reading the thread mark #2
you say phaen should elaborate more on his points. maybe you should do the same, considering that many of your points are on a lesser level of detail than phaen's statement.
yah, just coming into the game should totally mean phaen should be worthless and helpless. great logic there, captain. you lack expounding on a large number of your own 'facts.' so yeh, hypocrisy at minimum, obvscum at more likely. wow, how is that a confirmation of 'phaen's ability' more than my read of him? weren't you earlier stating that you didn't get what I meant by stating I like phaen already? fail'd at remaining consistent mark # I'm too lazy to find them all
why don't you point out the more logical and soundly-backed arguments that just happen to be 80% reaction fishing for the enlightenment of the entire town.
Why do you feel that you can just vanish for great periods of time and then blame other players for talking a lot about something you, yourself, seem to take great claim in saying you helped cause it when it is convenient for you to do so yet you shouldn't be suspected? (note: this is a deliberate loaded question, much like the one asked of phaen)
. FYI I'm on about page 9 at the moment. Also, I don't think of myself as venomous...
.
