Ellibereth wrote:Are my eyes glazing or did Jack just basically claim scum.
Jack wrote:@the other universe:I don't know about evilsnails alignment, but I can say that playing styles do change after a long absence. If I'd been asked that question at the beginning of this game I'd probably have said I lurked as mafia, but I've hardly lurked at all this game.
Ellibereth wrote:Ellibereth wrote:Are my eyes glazing or did Jack just basically claim scum.Jack wrote:@the other universe:I don't know about evilsnails alignment, but I can say that playing styles do change after a long absence. If I'd been asked that question at the beginning of this game I'd probably have said I lurked as mafia, but I've hardly lurked at all this game.
The OU needs to lynch Jack. 
No.. that post was like three days after I re-joined. I only had my old playing style to go on.farside22 wrote:So you lied about what you do as scum when you first answered or you answered it thinking of past games and nothing that is current?evilsnail wrote:Well, to be honest, that post was more accurate for my old playing style. Some time has passed since I last played and I'm finding out that my new style is different. I haven't been going off gut reads as much in any of my games. I used to be more aggressive in following up on them, but now that seems kind of unhelpful. As for the caution, that has more to do with losing track of the game than anything else.
When I said "easy targets", I was talking about suspicions voiced by people. Rightly or wrongly, lots of people have been suspicious of you. Yeah, the more I read about what I said the more fail it is. I was under the impression that multiple people had recently given slight suspicions against me - actually, it was only 2 (Oj and farside). I am indeed way sensitive to little pressure.mykonian wrote:And I fully disagree with me being an easy lynch. Apart from the mistake, and in farside's case calling her a liar you don't have a single thing against me. Going after my theory discussion completely neglects what I did for searching scum, going after my theory discussion is actually kind of useless this far into the game (scum can hide in it way too easily, and all you pick out are the people that are weird)
So I dislike fishy calling me and him easy targets: seen the votes, Fishy clearly isn't, and he is way sensitive to the little pressure brought on him.
The stance that you have a mild scum tell but have trouble reading someone is the perfect stance for scum wondering whether to hop on a wagon. The fact that you were consistent in this stance doesn't change that. For ABR, you fossed him over DGB's claim, and then in your next post said the case wasn't otherwise that strong. Yes, you commented on the case, and I'm not saying those comments are unbelievable. But after them, you were in a good position to go either way on ABR. I wasn't making points about you jumping on wagons. I was making points about you loitering around wagons, looking like you could jump on or sidle away at any moment.evilsnail wrote:Geez, you're really taking this and running with it, aren't you? Granted, I joined the CSL wagon, but it's not true of other wagons. For DGB, I FOSed her the moment she said sharing scum tells was a scum tell, before there was any real suspicion on her. I then said that I considered this a mild scum tell, but that I have trouble reading her. This opinion went unchanged throughout the day. This is merely consistency. For ABR, it is also clearly not true. I also resisted the elvis vote, though this never really picked up. In fact, I've only jumped on a wagon once.
Btw, I haven't even made "lots of posts." And please show me some that read like content, but aren't. Because, at the moment, you're basically waffling.
I guess I can understand that. I tend to overreact when voted myself (as I'm sure you can tell).Fishythefish wrote:When I said "easy targets", I was talking about suspicions voiced by people. Rightly or wrongly, lots of people have been suspicious of you. Yeah, the more I read about what I said the more fail it is. I was under the impression that multiple people had recently given slight suspicions against me - actually, it was only 2 (Oj and farside). I am indeed way sensitive to little pressure.
I guess, though I did immediately clarify my stance on ABR. There was only really a small window in which jumping on the wagon would have been believable.Fishythefish wrote:The stance that you have a mild scum tell but have trouble reading someone is the perfect stance for scum wondering whether to hop on a wagon. The fact that you were consistent in this stance doesn't change that. For ABR, you fossed him over DGB's claim, and then in your next post said the case wasn't otherwise that strong. Yes, you commented on the case, and I'm not saying those comments are unbelievable. But after them, you were in a good position to go either way on ABR. I wasn't making points about you jumping on wagons. I was making points about you loitering around wagons, looking like you could jump on or sidle away at any moment.
Well, I see how you can get the impression from my overall play. As I've said, I'm not particularly proud of my activity level so far and this is something I'm trying to remedy. But my point is that if you look at the posts themselves, I don't think you see someone trying to fake content. The impression my play might give overall is definitely not what I intended anyway.Fishythefish wrote:For your last sentence - my case on you is very much based on your overall play. I think that on first glance, you don't give the impression of a lurker, but if you look harder at your posts there isn't generally much there. There's no point me quoting examples of places you didn't scumhunt - I don't find your individual posts particularly scummy - I suggest people read your iso to see if they agree with me (and I suggest you read it to see whether you think my suspicions are plausible).
You know, I really dislike these kinds of posts. It's an easy way of stifling any opposition to your case. If pops responds, you can just treat it as more proof of your theory!Ellibereth wrote:Scum with Evil ^^^popsofctown wrote:I said there wasn't obvscum because most of the many various cases that have been presented are crap.
pops wrote:I give votes to players that seem to want them.
vote:DGB
pops wrote:ABR is closer to L-0, and we need to make a lynch here.
unvote, vote ABR
All of these votes seem like throw-away votes, like he doesn't actually think the person is scum.pops wrote:All right. I don't see any obvscum, so I'm voting CSL
Vote: CSL
This is a very confusing post for me.rhinox wrote:I figured out something thats been bothering me about DGB. ABR-scum wouldn't be pursuing a personal vendetta, he would just be trying to force mislynch. For ABR to be tunneling because of a personal vendetta, that would point to ABR being town. DGB is arguing that a personal vendetta from ABR makes ABR scum, and that is just not the case.
Unless ABR has a vendetta that puts lynching DGB above his wincon regardless of allignment, which makes the tunneling a null tell, but makes ABR anti-town for doing so.
I have never played with DGB or ABR before, so I know nothing of either players meta or any possible vendetta between them. Truthfully, I could really care less right now, because right now in this game, DGB if flailing and looks scummy - ABR does not.
unvote: vote DGBI think that is L-1 yes?. Claim time.
By many people, I'm seen as a logical person. In case you don't get what I'm saying, this usually means I didn't type up logical steps (I try to avoid this, but I also don't want my posts to become too long).Myko: Although I find myself disagreeing with him on every fundamental level, I somehow get the feeling he is sincere. I don't agree with his logic or thinking in many instances, but I really think he believes inwhat he's saying.
I'm just saying that I think our minds work differently. I think atleast some of our problems come from that. I really get the feeling of sincerity from you, despite how much I disagree with you. So I am hesitant to say you are scummy just because we disagree about a lot of things. Sincerity earns a lot of town points with me.mykonian wrote:By many people, I'm seen as a logical person. In case you don't get what I'm saying, this usually means I didn't type up logical steps (I try to avoid this, but I also don't want my posts to become too long).Myko: Although I find myself disagreeing with him on every fundamental level, I somehow get the feeling he is sincere. I don't agree with his logic or thinking in many instances, but I really think he believes inwhat he's saying.
And what does "off the wall" mean?
Rhinox wrote:...and FYI I think the OU just hammered jack. So we're probably going to lose or gain a player in the next couple days.
