Scummies 2010 Nominations

[Adel]

Sooo, is nominating yourself allowed? I don't know if it is. In any case, I'd like to put my name forward for consideration for

Best Performance Third Party

for my win as the SK in Revenge of the Crimson King. I usually hate tooting my own horn but I was actually very thrilled with my win there. I don't win often =)

3 layers of fail
1. a self nom
2. was a nk & investigation immune sk
3. called Glork a "sore loser" in the post game.

[Ythan]

Well that's a little bit different.

[xRECKONERx]

1) I self-nommed, and I didn't think it was that big of a deal... any game a SK wins in I feel like should be an auto-nom.

2) Yes, I was both, but in order to draw the ONE investigation in the game, and avoid being lynched when everyone was convinced I was SK, has to have some merit.

3) Glork was completely belittling my win.

[Trumpet of Doom]

Third bouncy.bouncy.

And while I'm at it,

nominate him for Best Roleclaim

for the same game.

[Ythan]

Those are three fairly acceptable responses in my opinion.

[Tarhalindur]

Sooo, is nominating yourself allowed? I don't know if it is. In any case, I'd like to put my name forward for consideration for

Best Performance Third Party

for my win as the SK in Revenge of the Crimson King. I usually hate tooting my own horn but I was actually very thrilled with my win there. I don't win often =)

3 layers of fail
1. a self nom
2. was a nk & investigation immune sk
3. called Glork a "sore loser" in the post game.

You forgot layer of fail 2a: Reck's investigation immunity worked differently from the investigation immunity the Mafia Godfather had in that game (which was revealed by the death reveal mechanic there).

Had it not been for that, Reck WOULD have been lynched at some point (suffer not the claimed bulletproof to live).

Reck may have gotten the win, but AFAIC there's no way in Hell he should get a Scummy for it.

[Oman]

Okay, regardless of his scummy chances, I'm going to stand by self-noms for Scummies.

I think self-noms are a decent thing to keep around. We have defences against noms that don't deserve a scummy, and obviously people won't self nominate themselves for anything they don't feel worthy.

So yes, I think we should allow them, they're a great alternative to people PMing each other to get nominations.

[Ythan]

Is someone worried that there are going to be a ton of self-nominations which will have some negative impact on the precedings?

[VP Baltar]

they're a great alternative to people PMing each other to get nominations.

People do this?

I think a self-nom would be very rarely warranted, imo. If your play was good enough, then the other players in your game should recognize it. In the rare case that you can objectively say that, yes, you're play was outstanding in some way from a normal victory and enough time has passed that it seems none of the other players in your game are going to nominate you, then it is probably acceptable.

[xRECKONERx]

I didn't mean to start a war over me nominating myself. It's just my first scummy nomination, and I thought a SK win at least deserved consideration.

[VP Baltar]

I was more offended at dana's nom. really.

[animorpherv1]

I'll

Nth

xReckx because of all you dummies giving him a hard time. Just let the man enjoy having a scummy nom, and if the Scummies Committee won't pick him for self-nomming, then that's that.

EDIT: For you, Reck. Enjoy.

[Oman]

Is someone worried that there are going to be a ton of self-nominations which will have some negative impact on the precedings?

No, I think that concern is over-cautious and we've seen nothing to give evidence for it.

[Mr. Flay]

If a performance is impressive, there are AT LEAST 4 other players in every game who can nominate you. I don't think self-noms should be allowed, full-stop (it also makes 'seconding' yourself with an alt even more tempting, and then things just get silly).

[Faraday]

^ has that ever happened (seconding yourself with an alt)

If self nom's are bad, surely they won't get seconded/thirded? I've no problem with them. And even if an 'unworthy' nomination does get through then, well let the judges deal with it. I don't see it being a huge problem.

[VP Baltar]

even if an 'unworthy' nomination does get through then, well let the judges deal with it.

Forcing the judges to sift through a bunch of detritus probably shouldn't be encouraged.

[Ythan]

Do the judges already have to do a lot of sifting?

[VP Baltar]

I couldn't tell you, but I imagine if people start self-nominating a ton of games it would be more difficult to find the worthy games.

[Goatrevolt]

Truth is, the best kind of scum play never gets nominated for anything, because it's so subtle that even after the game is over the town never realizes what happened or why they lost, and the townies usually just come away thinking they played badly.

The kind of scum play that gets nominated for stuff is usually the kind of big, flashy, impressive gambit that's really awe-inspiring and memorable, but scum usually only have to take that kind of risk if they've already screwed up big time.

This is very true. My very first game on this site was something I considered a very impressive scum win. It was 2 scum and a traitor in a 12 player game. My scum-buddy self-destructed day 1 (but managed to survive until day 4 anyway), the traitor got lynched day 2, and I managed to win in a 5 player endgame with 2 confirmed townies and a "should have been considered confirmed" townie. Then there was the game where Don Johnson and I managed to successfully navigate a 12 player town with 2 cops (1 naive), a deputy, 2 doctors, a tracker and a watcher to win despite having our roleblocker get lynched day 1 and our night 1 kill stopped by a doctor.

However, the only game I have been nominated for was our win in Advertising Mafia, and I believe that mostly had to do with our "bus driver" gambit day 1 that got me confirmed as a citizen. In honesty, that was one of my easiest scum games ever, but it was flashy and involved two risky gambits that both paid off ("confirming" me with the bus driver, and then me claiming a fake guilty to get the vig shot needed to win).


Anyway, enough of my ego-stroking... The point I'm going for is that I think Self-Noms are fine. We all have games where we feel like we played spectacularly and deserve recognition for it. Not having anyone else nominate you for a scummy doesn't necessarily mean that you don't deserve it. Not everyone who plays mafia comes to MD or even if they do, they might not be the kind of players who nominate others for a scummy. If your game is deserving, it will be seconded or thirded by others. I don't see this making it any more difficult on the judges, because if the self-nomination isn't worthy, it won't get seconded/thirded and the judges won't end up seeing it anyway.

[Adel]

My main objection to self-noms stems from my experience as a scummy judge: there are too damn many nominations for any judge to make a truly informed decision.

Allowing self-nominations will only exasperate the problem.

[Cobalt]

My main objection to self-noms stems from my experience as a scummy judge: there are too damn many nominations for any judge to make a truly informed decision.

Allowing self-nominations will only exasperate the problem.

*exacerbate

[Faraday]

I couldn't tell you, but I imagine if people start self-nominating a ton of games it would be more difficult to find the worthy games.

Surely unless the game is scummy worthy it wouldn't be seconded/thirded anyway, for the most part. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I'd imagine the same situation occurs with non self nom's. Obviously people who've judged would no better, so I guess I bow to their experience if they've found the opposite.

[Adel]

My main objection to self-noms stems from my experience as a scummy judge: there are too damn many nominations for any judge to make a truly informed decision.

Allowing self-nominations will only exasperate the problem.

*exacerbate

noted. that is the word I was attempting to use. thank you.

[shaft.ed]

I couldn't tell you, but I imagine if people start self-nominating a ton of games it would be more difficult to find the worthy games.

Surely unless the game is scummy worthy it wouldn't be seconded/thirded anyway, for the most part. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I'd imagine the same situation occurs with non self nom's. Obviously people who've judged would no better, so I guess I bow to their experience if they've found the opposite.

There have been public examples of people in the scummies thread trading votes for eachothers self noms

[Faraday]

I couldn't tell you, but I imagine if people start self-nominating a ton of games it would be more difficult to find the worthy games.

Surely unless the game is scummy worthy it wouldn't be seconded/thirded anyway, for the most part. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I'd imagine the same situation occurs with non self nom's. Obviously people who've judged would no better, so I guess I bow to their experience if they've found the opposite.

There have been public examples of people in the scummies thread trading votes for eachothers self noms

Well then I stand corrected. Guess they're a big deal.