Mini 917 -- Precision Mafia (Game Over)

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Vote Count 1.3

• The1fifi

  (AlmasterGM - Fate - J.R - Cobalt - McGriddle - Seacore)
  
  
  fhqwhgads
  (The1fifi)
  
  
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  Seacore

  - Cruciare - fhqwhgads - popsofctown - Iecerint - bv310)

With twelve alive, it takes seven to lynch.
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[J.R]

Sorry for my absence, I was just finishing homeworks.

Anyway, this is kinda new for me, I was used to the usual kind of game but I'm adjusting. Well... if you noticed that I'm not around in some discussions, just take it as a hint to what my role is.

If you have questions for me, feel free to ask.

[Fate]

Are you skimming fate? I bolded, italicized, and underlined the word "a" earlier.

Guilty. I just remembered Almaster saying this more:

t still only works if the cost of NK'ing is moderately high CP-wise

I did an iso of him. And he is being really inflexible about any sort of plan that incorporates the set-up. Why did you sign up if you just want to play a vanilla game of mafia Al?

Also he asked Seacore to claim? When was this? Time to re-read more thoroughly.

Anyway, this is kinda new for me, I was used to the usual kind of game but I'm adjusting. Well... if you noticed that I'm not around in some discussions, just take it as a hint to what my role is.

Um. What? Was this necessary? Why would you half-claim when under no pressure at all?

[Fate]

Oh I remember the naked rolefishing now. I also remember not liking his bloodthirsty, "can we lynch fifi now please?"

FoS: AlmasterGM (again) for burn candidate

[fhqwhgads]

AFA Number 7 goes, I think it depends on how good our commander feels they are at breadcrumbing. If they feel skilled, then they should remain silent and leave us a clue so they can bag another three "investigations" the next night whilst still retaining the knowledge from the first night. If they think they are going to fuck it up, then they should just claim it right away.

Wouldn't we just KNOW all three is town if no commander claims? This sounds like a ploy to out the commander(s).

Were you planning on guessing at how much CP we have? It's impossible, commanders give us pretty much random amounts of cp, and we have a random amount of power roles.

As far as my understanding goes, I'm with pops on this one.

[Iecerint]

The fewer burners there are today, the easier it will be for Commanders to determine whether the burner(s) were scum tomorrow.

1 burns 14 -- can reasonably estimate whether CP reflects 14 lost points
2 burn 7 -- can probably reasonably estimate whether CP reflects 7 lost points
3 burn 4 -- can't do it

I think we're OK so long as we only have 1-2 burners today. Sure, there's some risk involved, but the payoff is definitely worth it. I doubt the town Commander bonus is so extreme that 14 would be ambiguous, for example. It's also possible that the Commander knows his own bonus, in which case the ambiguity will be low.

I think we should lynch fifi and have Alma or Cobalt burn.

[AlmasterGM]

Seacore, are you a protown power role?

[J.R]

And why do some are blatantly rolefishing? Hmm. . .I don't get it.

[Cobalt]

I suddenly want JR or Almaster to burn.

[Iecerint]

Seacore, are you a protown power role?

What the hell could possibly be your justification for asking such an absurd question?

[McGriddle]

Seacore, are you a protown power role?

What the hell could possibly be your justification for asking such an absurd question?

lol agreed. Sorry I am not posting much, I don't have much to say lol.

[Seacore]

I know the two I want for our first two burners tomorrow...

I'm not answering the rolefish unless I see a strong case for it.

1 burns 14 -- can reasonably estimate whether CP reflects 14 lost points

The problem with this is that we can only very do big ones because we have no baseline from this. We need to do no burns today. And then we can do a couple of medium ones each night after.

[AlmasterGM]

I am a daykilling Vigilantie.

[Iecerint]

I don't understand. We know that we each give 3 CP as a base. Assuming 9 town, that's 27 CP. Then the Commander gives an extra X CP, probably no more than 6 or so.

Lynching someone takes 7 CP.
Burning takes however many CP we want it to take. Let's say 12.
Some of the idiots who already voted might be town, too. Let's say we waste 3 more CP in there somewhere.

We enter night having at least 5 CP to spend, and that's pretending the town Commander has no bonus (extremely remote).

Basically, if we end up with 0-10 CP, the burner was town. If we end up with 12-22 CP, the burner was scum. Granted, there's a hazy space in the middle, but I'd rather potentially clear someone or find scum than just sit on my CP pile.

If I am missing some self-evident reason why this isn't worth it, please explain it with an example.

[Seacore]

I am a daykilling Vigilantie.

So you're asking me to claim, or you're going to kill me?

[AlmasterGM]

I am a daykilling Vigilantie.

So you're asking me to claim, or you're going to kill me?

I might kill you even if you do claim, but a claim can't hurt.

[Seacore]

Iec, you're correct in saying it would probably be enough to clear somebody on Night 1, but it doesn't help us out with later nights when we want pairs of people to burn 7 (or whatever)

Without knowing how many night actions are out there, or even how many commanders it seems, we need the baseline... I think.

[Seacore]

Dear Almaster,

Here is why you are an idiot

If I'm town, you've either outted a PR (assuming that's what it would take to keep me alive) or you've killed a town

If I'm scum, I'm going to fake claim something important, like cop, or doc. Then either the actual cop or doc will step forward, in which case you'll kill me, but you were going to do that anyway and thus I've succeeded in outing the cop, or more likely doc, if I was scum, I'd totally go doc. The doc then dies that night.
Or if the actual roleholder stays silently, to avoid this terrible thing you've caused, people know believe I'm a pro town role.

So there's really no good outcome for town if I claim. So just shoot me already, you god damn moron.

[Iecerint]

You should have waited and then shot fifi just before we had all settled on starting to realvote him. Free lynch ftw.

[Fate]

I agree with Iec on this one. I also don't see anywhere in the rules about what happens to a Commander if he dies. Better to get one cleared townie than none at all, and we will have a baseline for consecutive nights. Just take the CP tally and +8 or +0 depending on the burner's alignment.

Almaster, what is this I don't even... Didn't you want to "go ahead a lynch" Fifi? Did you not want to use your day-vig? (Which you shouldn't, since you seem to have terrible aim...)

[AlmasterGM]

Shoot: Seacore.

[Fate]

Seacore, are you a protown power role?

What the hell could possibly be your justification for asking such an absurd question?

lol agreed. Sorry I am not posting much, I don't have much to say lol.

Just wanted to highlight this post so it doesn't get lost in the madness. What a great addition to town we have here... No content, just a vote on the wagon leader.

[AlmasterGM]

@Fate - How do you know my Seacore shot is bad? You are next in line to be shot.

[Fate]

@Fate - How do you know my Seacore shot is bad? You are next in line to be shot.

*** you should've said this earlier! I rather would've taken the shot than Seacore...

[Iecerint]

I cannot believe you just shot him. That is an utterly fail usage of your ability. The only circumstance in which I can justify your behavior to myself is if fifi is scum Commander and you're trying to take the bullet. Otherwise, it literally makes no sense.

Clearly, am waiting on the offchance that SC is scum.

Also, eggplant is delicious.