Teleportation Mafia Universe ONE (MAFIA A WINS!)

[elvis_knits]

Day 2 Vote Count

CSL ( 1 ) elvis_knits
elvis_knits ( 0 )
evilsnail ( 0 )
farside22 ( 0 )
fishythefish ( 0 )
Hoopla ( 0 )
gayle ( 0 )
mykonian ( 0 )
ojanen ( 0 )
Ellibereth ( 0 )
popsofctown ( 0 )
Raskol ( 0 )
Rhinox ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 12 ) Rhinox ojanen evilsnail gayle farside22 popsofctown CSL fishythefish Ellibereth mykonian Hoopla Raskol
Total Votes ( 13 )

With 13 alive, 7 needed to lynch.
Deadline: Feb 22nd 19:00 EST

GHOSTSLAY

[Gayle]

I care! This is

far

more important than CSL.

[elvis_knits]

Now the thread title says Day. You are free to scumhunt.

[farside22]

EK is there any reason I should be voting CSL over myko?

[Gayle]

Now the thread title says Day

thanks to your valorous efforts

. You are free to scumhunt.

Fix'd that for you.

My suspects remain the same: CSL & Pops.

CSL's reason for voting ABR:

Well, it seems that ABR is going to get lynched.

Pops' reason for voting ABR:

ABR is closer to L-0, and we need to make a lynch here.

Also

DrippingGoofball ( 6 ) mykonian Albert B. Rampage

popsofctown

fishythefish plum Rhinox

Vote: popsofctown

Because he is so towny it hurts.

[Gayle]

The most suspect votes on the wagon were Pops, CSL, Myko, Fishy. These four pretty much voted ABR for no reason other than he was already going down. All of them except CSL were also on the DGB wagon. All of them also made other questionable votes day 1 (Fishy to a lesser extent).

My thoughts on who is scum, from most likely to least: Pops > CSL > Myko > Fishy.

[elvis_knits]

Reposting:

CSL is scum because:

1) He vote Myko based on the scum slip (bad vote at best, IMO), then he unvoted like a scared puppy. Later, myko isn't even on his scum list.

2) He said he wasn't following Plum, which he clearly was, especially given the page number he said he was on when he voted.

3) Not giving any reasoning for his votes.

4) Asking to be allowed to live to night, saying he's okay with being NKed. He's hinting at being the teleporter, right?

[Ellibereth]

Haaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiii.
I'll be read up by tomorrow or the day after at most, but a summary would still be very very nice. Until then:

Vote: Csl

[Hoopla]

GHOSTSLAY

sorry, i'm confused. but what is this?

[Gayle]

GHOSTSLAY

sorry, i'm confused. but what is this?

It is to prevent the voodoo curse.

[Hoopla]

is it working?

[Gayle]

is it working?

When we reach the last post of the page, the next page appears but if you try to look at it you get a "No posts exist for this topic" error because there is no post on that page. To prevent this, someone adds a post to the page.

[Hoopla]

I think it's scummy.

FoS Elvis

[Fishythefish]

This game needs a bit of a rethink for me, and I'm afraid I won't be able to do that justice for a day or two.

[mykonian]

I have a problem with time today.

@gayle, I have my reasons for ABR earlier, but I thought he would counterclaim, so I didn't vote (as I said in that post), when he didn't, Ã

[Gayle]

@Elli: why did they send you?

Look at his posts in iso. He has added very little and is likely scum.

[farside22]

Reposting:

CSL is scum because:

1) He vote Myko based on the scum slip (bad vote at best, IMO), then he unvoted like a scared puppy. Later, myko isn't even on his scum list.

2) He said he wasn't following Plum, which he clearly was, especially given the page number he said he was on when he voted.

3) Not giving any reasoning for his votes.

4) Asking to be allowed to live to night, saying he's okay with being NKed. He's hinting at being the teleporter, right?

I'm not giving you any credit on your thoughts.......let me check some things and I will get back on this later

[Rhinox]

Hi ellibereth nice to see you again. Why should we not lynch you on the spot, considering your former uni thought it better to be rid of you than gain a confirmed townie in DGB, aparently? Why did you vote CSL before reading the thread?

[elvis_knits]

Reposting:

CSL is scum because:

1) He vote Myko based on the scum slip (bad vote at best, IMO), then he unvoted like a scared puppy. Later, myko isn't even on his scum list.

2) He said he wasn't following Plum, which he clearly was, especially given the page number he said he was on when he voted.

3) Not giving any reasoning for his votes.

4) Asking to be allowed to live to night, saying he's okay with being NKed. He's hinting at being the teleporter, right?

I'm not giving you any credit on your thoughts.......let me check some things and I will get back on this later

I think you have a point on myko, and I think Gayle has a point about pops. I just think CSL is worse.

With myko, I feel like I need to reread him because he's a bit long-winded and I find myself skimming him a lot... which makes it hard to catch scummy comments. I do know that myko has very different ideas about strategy, which I think are pro-scum.

[mykonian]

@Elli: why did they send you?

Look at his posts in iso. He has added very little and is likely scum.

There was a reason I asked this from Elli.

Elvis, why are my ideas about strategy pro-scum? Farside her case is not that my strategy discussion was bad or wrong. In fact, everybody accepts what I said, but doesn't agree that the confusion of the teleports could be harmful to town, or at least not outweight the benefit. There has been little discussion if adding that was actually scummy, something you are saying now.

What stands out in the above post is how Elvis appeases 2 players

: farside and gayle, and then still go for the easy target.

FoS Elvis

[mykonian]

make that a

vote Elvis

There was the "wishy-washy" point against her, which I consider null, and there was something else, I thought. I'll try to find it later, but then you know what I think.

and while Elli starts out scummy (see rhinox's post) I think we are better off leaving him. Best course of action IMO is to send him back tonight. Even if that doesn't happen, we should leave him for the chance on crosskills.

Plus that I just have something against helping the other universe, when they clearly don't care about the game (not getting DGB).

[farside22]

My thoughts on eli is that our teleporter should send him back to the UO.
I read him in isolation and I can see why they thought he was scummy.

myko: What is with your knee jerk reaction to call almost anyone who looks at you as scum and make a case against them?
So far: me, EK and DGB. (only people who call you scum that you didn't try and make a case on Rhinox and Gayle)

[elvis_knits]

Oh myko... you want to dance? Okay. Let's dance.

Elvis, why are my ideas about strategy pro-scum?

Your "no-teleportation" strategy is scummy.

no teleportation. In case the other universe sends a player, teleport him back next night, that way restoring the universes. That player sadly would not be able to post in the other universe, but he would not have to worry about splitting his attention

Teleportation is the mechanic of these games. And you want to not use it?

My suspicion is that scum do not want to be seperated, and thus do not want to be sent to the other universe. So they would be anti-teleportation, like you are. That is how your strategy is pro scum.

Also, you later came up with the justification that it would be too confusing for people to have to read a new game. Which is crap for lots of reasons. Too confusing, too hard? Boo-hoo. Everybody who signed up for this game came in knowing teleportation was a possibility and they were told to keep an eye on the other game. Many people have been keeping up with the other game, atleast a little bit, and even posting comments to the other universe. So, I don't see why your "too confusing" argument is good at all. I think it's just another excuse to push your pro-scum no-teleportation strategy.

Farside her case is not that my strategy discussion was bad or wrong. In fact, everybody accepts what I said, but doesn't agree that the confusion of the teleports could be harmful to town, or at least not outweight the benefit. There has been little discussion if adding that was actually scummy, something you are saying now.

I don't see what farside's case has to do with my feelings about you. I have my own brain and my own thoughts. You can't defend against my suspicions on you by saying "that's not why farside thinks I'm scum." Total non-sequiter.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure I mentioned my feelings that your strategy is pro-scum before. Oh look, here it is:

My problem with an anti-teleporting stance is that I think scum might be anti-teleporting. Because if their scum team gets split it is PROBABLY bad for them. If both universes agree that we are teleporting players we think are scum and pulling players we think are town, then any teleported player is automatically placed under high scrutiny in the other universe. If they are not lynched immediately, they probably will be before endgame. Not to mention the extra challenge of the scum team playing in both universes while the telported player is alive. It's just all kinds of problems that the team doesn't want. They DO NOT want to be teleported, so I can see scum being anti-teleporting as a strategy.

What stands out in the above post is how Elvis appeases 2 players

: farside and gayle, and then still go for the easy target.

FoS Elvis

I'm not appeasing them. I think farside and gayle are both town and I think their suspicions are good. They are both pressuring people that I am suspicious of, although I am still more suspicious of CSL. To accuse me of pushing an easy target suggests I don't have good reason to vote him. I DO.

He softclaimed teleporter and didn't get NKed.

WHY DO YOU THINK THAT MIGHT BE??? HMMMMMMMM?????11eleven

make that a

vote Elvis

There was the "wishy-washy" point against her, which I consider null, and there was something else, I thought. I'll try to find it later, but then you know what I think.

What are you talking about and how are these reasons to vote me?

[Ellibereth]

Hi ellibereth nice to see you again. Why should we not lynch you on the spot, considering your former uni thought it better to be rid of you than gain a confirmed townie in DGB, aparently? Why did you vote CSL before reading the thread?

Hi Rhino!
My former uni didn't think it better, rather the teleporter did.
I had already been skimming the thread yesterday and Elvis's post today looked good.

[farside22]

One point I am going to disagree with EK on is the mafia kill. They had a confirmed mason (no one counter claimed) to kill and a breadcrumb of CSL saying teleporter.
Killing CSL if he is the town teleporter all it means is someone else will get the role that is town. Kill DGB means one confirmed town dead.
I don't see how killing DGB over CSL means CSL is auto-scum in that regards.