Mini 917 -- Precision Mafia (Game Over)

[popsofctown]

We bank that Fifi is on a team that has a scum commander. Whether or not fifi is that commander is totally irrelevant.

I'm not sure Fifi himself would comprehend the risk/reward choice we're giving him and respond properly, though.

[McGriddle]

I won't let fifi's shenanigans go on without a vote on my end.

Vote: fifi

He is getting really defensive and making personal attacks, plus the other reason I posted earlier.

[Cobalt]

I won't let fifi's shenanigans go on without a vote on my end.

Vote: fifi

He is getting really defensive and making personal attacks, plus the other reason I posted earlier.

and also he CLAIMED SCUM COMMANDER
just throwing that out there

[McGriddle]

Rofl

[Cruciare]

Seriously, can we just lynch fifi already?

Seriously, am I the only person on this site who doesn't like short days? I'm not at all comfortable with ending D1 at six pages, and I can't comprehend why people like you make an effort to ensure we get as little discussion time as possible. Some people (like me) have posted barely anything. Deadline is in two and a half weeks, why the hurry?

and also he CLAIMED SCUM COMMANDER
just throwing that out there

I read that as sarcasm. Do you believe otherwise?

Regarding half-lynching, I'm not clear as to how it works and how we're going to use it. I mean if we say to someone with lynching consensus (in our example, Fifi) "vote and unvote 10 times or we'll lynch you" and they actually do it, do we really not lynch them? Then what happens? Also some of you speak of a "wagon" in regards to half-lynching, what "wagon" is this exactly?

[popsofctown]

1. A majority of the town has declared intent to lynch player X. This is a failtown and they all used their votes early. But you ought to do it with FoS's, in a perfect world. (hopefully half of you are scum anyway).
2. Since it's the first lynch of the day, we order that person to vote and unvote 10 consecutive times. (or some amount. Why ten guys?)
3a. If they refuse, we just lynch them.
3b. If they do it, we don't lynch them, instead we decided who we would like to lynch the second most in the town, and we really lynch that person.
4. That night, if we halflynched correctly, we gimp the NK and save a townie, which has approximately the same value as a lynch (so the strategy is doubling our lynch efficacy). We might, however, lose one or two night actions. Most of these night actions won't have the same value though, in my estimation.

Teh Epic part: 5: If no one shows up dead, we lynch the player halflynched yesterday on the supposition that he was scum.

[The1fifi]

I won't let fifi's shenanigans go on without a vote on my end.

Vote: fifi

He is getting really defensive and making personal attacks, plus the other reason I posted earlier.

and also he CLAIMED SCUM COMMANDER
just throwing that out there

I don't think you know whats a stylistic recurse, in literary terms.

[RedCoyote]

Vote Count 1.2

• Not Voting

  (Seacore -

  Cobalt

  - Cruciare - fhqwhgads - popsofctown -

  McGriddle

  - Iecerint - bv310 -

  J.R

  )
  
  
  The1fifi
  (AlmasterGM - Fate - J.R - Cobalt - McGriddle)
  
  
  fhqwhgads
  (The1fifi)

With twelve alive, it takes seven to lynch.
Click here to check on the deadline.

[AlmasterGM]

So you are pushing for a fifi lynch? Well, if fifi didn't flip as town then I'd be more inclined to vote for you the next day.

What's the point of this post? Are you threatening me?

I never played with you. But your playstile scares me. Aren't you to eager to kill people? I don't see why people are all over me and no one cares about your posts, which are full with suspicious talk

Seriously, am I the only person on this site who doesn't like short days? I'm not at all comfortable with ending D1 at six pages, and I can't comprehend why people like you make an effort to ensure we get as little discussion time as possible. Some people (like me) have posted barely anything. Deadline is in two and a half weeks, why the hurry?

I've complacently been in games where D1 lasts 35 pages. I'm not predisposed to quickly lynching. I simply see no alternative to fifi, and thus no reason to delay votes. The discussion isn't really going anywhere, either - everything is about HOW we get rid of fifi and not WHETHER we should do so. Since I'm still in the camp that this attempt to manipulate the setup is going to result in megafail, I see nothing noteworthy going on.

But fine, let's talk about something else. People I think are scummy (other than fifi):

JR - lackluster performance thus far.
Seacore - started this stupid discussion about abusing CP.

Flawed arguement. The 'burning part' works perfectly. 10 points from fifi, and then if the NK still goes through, we can look to see who wasn't on the wagon and who conserved votes. Probscum will be there.

Um, what? First, everyone is conserving votes and those who aren't (fifi) are under strong suspicion, so this tell fails entirely. Second, it only takes 1 CP to vote, so there's no reason scum wouldn't be able to vote AND NK. I think you are strongly underestimating the setup's resilience to breakage. There is no way it will be this easy to crack.

It's even more absurd that you are willing to vote for me based off this. I guarantee there is at least one scum (if not all of them) actively endorsing this "pro-town" strategy because it is going to fall flat on its face and the scum are going to LOL.

We bank that Fifi is on a team that has a scum commander. Whether or not fifi is that commander is totally irrelevant.

How is it irrelevant? The commander will have a bonus pool of CP, and will thus be able to evade our attempt to drain the scum CP pool.

[Cobalt]

I won't let fifi's shenanigans go on without a vote on my end.

Vote: fifi

He is getting really defensive and making personal attacks, plus the other reason I posted earlier.

and also he CLAIMED SCUM COMMANDER
just throwing that out there

I don't think you know whats a stylistic recurse, in literary terms.

considering that's not a real term, in anything, no.
if fifi flips scum commander, Cruciare ("let's not lynch the claimed scum because short days are bad") and pops (completely ignored the scum claim) are scum with him.

[The1fifi]

It was not a claim!!! It was irony! You are too dumb for this game

[Cobalt]

Plus, you re not even considering me as scum! I am the scum comander, not playing small with chance there! On the first day, based on a noob mistake, tcharam!! The scum comander gets lynched. Really, i want to vote you so badly! Does everyone has their blindfolders on!!!??

doesn't look like sarcasm to me.

[AlmasterGM]

It was not a claim!!! It was irony! You are too dumb for this game

^an actual example of irony.

[Seacore]

I too see no need to extend the day past here.

vote: Fifi

[fhqwhgads]

Disregarding fifi's obv failure to launch, I find the people trying to end this day quickly

scummy as hell

somewhat anti-town. Yeah, I'm looking at all of you.

[Seacore]

I find that any arteficial extending of the day rarely leads to useful information. A long day full of strong scum hunting is good, yes. But if it's just a long day... which is what happens when you've found your scum on page 1 but then run it to page 16 for no reason... well that's pointless and not filled with useful posts.

[popsofctown]

I want a mcgriddle.

[Seacore]

^

Exhibit A of useless posts of an extended day

[popsofctown]

Seacore you doesn't has a sig I should make you one.

[AlmasterGM]

Seacore, I think you should claim.

[popsofctown]

Naked rolefishing?

[Seacore]

Yeah, what's that about?

That's twice in two games somebody has asked me to claim with no cause...

[AlmasterGM]

There is an unbelievable amount of cause right now.

[popsofctown]

We bank that Fifi is on a team that has a scum commander. Whether or not fifi is that commander is totally irrelevant.

How is it irrelevant? The commander will have a bonus pool of CP, and will thus be able to evade our attempt to drain the scum CP pool.

Missed this. The pool is shared, it doesn't matter if fifi is the commander or one of his mafia compatriots is. We set the amount based on an assumption of one or two commanders.

[AlmasterGM]

We bank that Fifi is on a team that has a scum commander. Whether or not fifi is that commander is totally irrelevant.

How is it irrelevant? The commander will have a bonus pool of CP, and will thus be able to evade our attempt to drain the scum CP pool.

Missed this. The pool is shared, it doesn't matter if fifi is the commander or one of his mafia compatriots is. We set the amount based on an assumption of one or two commanders.

It still only works if the cost of NK'ing is moderately high CP-wise. Otherwise, if fifi is not the commander, he will max out at spending 10 CP, and the scum commander will be able to use their bonus in order to execute the NK.

I think this CP burn plan would work a lot better once we've found the scum commander. That way, we know exactly how many CP they have remaining, and can thus deduce all of their actions. This presumes, of course, that there is only one scum commander. It is entirely possible there are multiple scum commanders and we are completely wasting our time here.