Teleportation Mafia Universe ONE (MAFIA A WINS!)

[Fishythefish]

Day 1 Vote Count

CSL ( 2 ) ojanen fishythefish
DrippingGoofball ( 2 ) Albert B. Rampage plum
elvis_knits ( 0 )
evilsnail ( 1 ) Raskol
farside22 ( 0 )
fishythefish ( 0 )
Hoopla ( 0 )
gayle ( 0 )
Albert B. Rampage ( 5 ) gayle elvis_knits farside22 popsofctown CSL
mykonian ( 0 )
ojanen ( 0 )
plum ( 0 )
popsofctown ( 1 ) Hoopla
Raskol ( 2 ) evilsnail mykonian
Rhinox ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 2 ) Rhinox DrippingGoofball
Total Votes ( 15 )

With 15 alive, 8 needed to lynch.
Deadline: 2/8 11am EST

/ghostslay

[farside22]

I remember one (last thing with farside), when you said that made me scum. I had quoted a post there where I pointed out what was wrong, and why. I don't think I would do that as scum, aggressively investigating Farside, as I know her a bit. It is kind of foolish to attack farside, since you will get a response. It is her nature.

You talking about the so called case saying I was following people and was full of crap and I called you on and then backtracked and tried to almost subtely use the too townie idea without saying it?

You make it a so called case: because I didn't. I explained my reasons why you moved up my scumlist.

It wasn't full of crap, you didn't reply to half the points, and the FACT that you directly copied two questions in that post are showing I was in fact right. I haven't backtracked, since those points couldn't and werent explained. I have absolutely no idea how I have subtely used the too townie idea there. I don't think you too towny, so that is most likely you trying to read manipulation in my posts. (seen the subtility, you had to search for it)

So this post full of strong language perfectly hides that I had valid points against you.

Excuse me how about so proof on this. Because I will be glad to bring up your quote and your original comments again for all to see your scumminess. With your original "case" to saying nothing on my points to when you do say something it's almost saying too townie. Very close.
So please tell me what points of your "case" I missed.

[DrippingGoofball]

Dear Universe Two,

Elmo is bus'ing Jack. Elmo's reading of Jack's mind is so vividly nuanced that it could only come from a buddy knowing exactly what his buddy is up to, and detailing it for all to see to look really smart, and get town cred. Please get together and help him bus his buddy.

Love,

Your most dripping of goofballs, DGB

[DrippingGoofball]

Dear Universe 2, PS:

I pick Elmo out for lazy mafia on that account, especially given the fact that he made the poor case and only has 4 posts and disappeared.

And look how Jack distances from Elmo so nicely. You have to help these guys. They are crying out for your assistance in lynching them. How can you turn away from their pleas and vote anyone else? Have a heart.

[farside22]

Myko's original accusations:

Summary for myself on some people I haven't said a lot about

Farside I have as leaning scum by now. I really can't understand what her motivations are when posting, and the things she says are too often copies of what is said earlier in the game. The argument with me what the difference was between fishy and her answer seemed to be asking to say she was town after all. I don't think town would remember one of the first arguments made against her. If this was the case, she would normally have answered it did bother her. She didn't.

Farsides' comment on this accusations:

Often copies of what was said in the game? I brought up DGB first. I commented about ABR and my feel on his read. I have gone through and posted something more then just town/ or scum on almost all players here and your saying it was almost all stuff said earlier? I meantioned the comment and backing off from pops first

The argument with me what the difference was between fishy and her answer seemed to be asking to say she was town after all. I don't think town would remember one of the first arguments made against her. If this was the case, she would normally have answered it did bother her. She didn't.

I forgot about this little tibit. Clearly town players don't go back and reread things either when showing what they think about players and why. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

Sorry, the first part I thought you wanted to show me my own wasn't brilliant either. I have read this, and answered that I hadn't checked myself.

I had answered the question about DGB: 1 large themed, and I know from reading she tends to be different.

I didn't think them the same, also not in idea. This plus your reluctance to answer, made me think you are scum who is hesitant to answer, while I never had such a feeling with Fishy. I believe I have said this multiple times.


Then the last quote.

What is there to reply? Do I have to say "you are towny for trying so hard"?, Or do I have to say "why are you trying so hard to look town, Farside?"

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Bolded the back track and trying to almost say towny now. He used this sarcastically but it's basically myko trapped in a corner with no where to go.

[mykonian]

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mykonian

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myko talks about scumhunting will win the game but talks about stragdy of the game right after

interesting:

Evilsnail: I am not going to answer my own question if nobody wants the answer

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a few people answered this question why refuse to answer yourself?

Well you did answer in this post actually so the comment leaves me in a lot of pondering

myko why did you vote from DGB to raskol and with such a hypocritcal statement as this:

You completely forgot what you did with fishy, and went for the next target, with a less then spectacular case. Where are you going to run next?

I love how myko says he didn't want to read the ou but clearly is.

myko why would you switch you vote to CSL?

The case on DGB is terrible. Speaking from what you posted as a case I can point to a time DGB said scum day talked and she was town. It's a null tell.

Lots of defending from myko

and I didn't find a case that was really well thought out excpet raskol case.

Bolded are parts you directly copied from Evilsnail, Rhinox, and DGB. (not so sure about DGB, I had to give that answer to her. Not sure if she asked or accused)[/quote]This point stands

And that last point of yours, that is not the too towny thing. Fishy for example is much more towny then you.

What is scummy, is that you

care

how towny you look. You want me to say you are towny, while not a single towny should argue why he is town. It is not important for town. Town wants to find scum, not look town. Something that is clearly on your mind. I find it typical you have to paint that as "too towny".

[Albert B. Rampage]

No, I don't have a counterclaim. I do think that if she was scum she would pull out a claim like that. It doesn't make sense for scum to claim anything else.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If DGB can actually be proven mason (by NK or the other mason), this is my updated list:

Town

elvis knits
evilsnail
mykonian
CSL

Scum

Gayle
Plum
fishy

Everyone else is moderately suspicious.

[popsofctown]

How so? I'm interested in your interest. [/avatar conversation]

The girl in the picture looks very mysterious.

Also I have a crush on Plum but shhhhh.

[Gayle]

How so? I'm interested in your interest. [/avatar conversation]

The girl in the picture looks very mysterious.

Also I have a crush on Plum but shhhhh.

Japan doesn't draw women that way.

[DrippingGoofball]

Gayle
Plum
fishy

Everyone else is moderately suspicious.

Gayle and Fishy?

Gayle?????? Gayle?

Scum.

DIE

[elvis_knits]

I don't think plum or evilsnail have posted to let us know they are not masons. Plum usually has a v/la on the weekend for religious reasons, I think.

Anyway.

I would feel entirely comfortable lynching ABR even if not everyone has posted to say they are not a mason.

Because ABR wanted to lynch claimed-mason DGB WITHOUT asking for counterclaims. He specifically told people not to claim, while subtley hinting that HE might be the mason. When asked directly? No, he is not a mason.

That is so scummy, it is not funny.

So I guess we are just waiting on universe2 to lynch so we can let ABR dangle.

[farside22]

@myko;

First off did you know each list I made was reading a person in isolation?

Second that is 2 things in bold that 3 other people said exactly word for word? Really? Or is it something they brought up when you said it?
I just want to be clear on the exact words since your saying that I "directly copied" the sentence

I don't care how towny I look. I don't care if everyone said here your scum and need to die as long as I point to the people I feel are scum and made a valid point to me that means the town is in good hands
I just outlined why your "observations" where completely invalid which has nothing to do with what I was looking for.

You want to twist my defending your "observations" as looking town when I just dismantled your whole case by all means people continue on your hypocrisy.

[evilsnail]

ABR wanting to lynch DGB with the claim is pretty scummy. If the claim is false, it will come out anyway. There's no pro-town reason that doesn't involve being the mason to push for a DGB lynch.

FOS: ABR

Well, it seems that ABR is going to get lynched.

Unvote; Vote: ABR

This is awful.

Unvote, Vote: CSL

[DrippingGoofball]

Evilsnail is the third scum.

[farside22]

The bold that myko focased on:

a few people answered this question why refuse to answer yourself?

myko why did you vote from DGB to raskol and with such a hypocritcal statement as this:

Rhinox,
What rhionic had to say about your raskol vote:

hypocrite. you seem to have very quickly and easily forgotten what you liked about your vote on me. you're even on to your second suspect since me before I even posted to give you a reason to dislike your vote.

evilsnail wrote:

This post feels... off. As farside22 points out, sharing scum tells is not anti-town. Even if it did help scum in some way, it also helps the town find scum.

So you want to expand how my words are "directly copied" from these two quotes myko?

[farside22]

Evilsnail is the third scum.

what is the vote count is it still L-2?

[DrippingGoofball]

The votecount is L-3 because I unvoted to make sure that ABR doesn't self-vote, with some help from his buddy.

Evilsnail FOS'ing ABR, the vote leader, while acknowledging all the reasons we find him scummy, then voting CSL, who is way less awful than ABR and a wong that's not happening today, and may be our teleporter (unfortunately), is beyond the pale and cannot possibly come from a townie.

[farside22]

The votecount is L-3 because I unvoted to make sure that ABR doesn't self-vote, with some help from his buddy.

Evilsnail FOS'ing ABR, the vote leader, while acknowledging all the reasons we find him scummy, then voting CSL, who is way less awful than ABR and a wong that's not happening today, and may be our teleporter (unfortunately), is beyond the pale and cannot possibly come from a townie.

Ya the CSL wagon is crap in comparison. ABR backed off after EK stated he didn't want a counter claim and realized he how scummy that was has no where else to go.

myko would be my newest vote.
I'm curious about something now..........remember when I pointed to ek and evil abut something that was very similar.
I wonder who said it first......I was reading in isolation when I found it.

[evilsnail]

The votecount is L-3 because I unvoted to make sure that ABR doesn't self-vote, with some help from his buddy.

Evilsnail FOS'ing ABR, the vote leader, while acknowledging all the reasons we find him scummy, then voting CSL, who is way less awful than ABR and a wong that's not happening today, and may be our teleporter (unfortunately), is beyond the pale and cannot possibly come from a townie.

Wrong. I don't really think the case against ABR is that strong otherwise. In addition, his desire to lynch you regardless of the claim could have some basis in the personal vendetta he seems to have against you. I'm not going to vote ABR without a stronger case. Make of that what you will.

[evilsnail]

Also, your supposed "teleporter tell" makes no sense. Why would a teleport not mind being NKed but beseech the town not to be lynched? This is the one thing guaranteed not to happen, since the teleporter is basically confirmed innocent once claimed.

That's a really weak basis for dismissing the CSL case.

[CSL]

I bet you are scum try to get away from a lynch. You are next.

[DrippingGoofball]

[...] I'm starting to see the case on DGB much more than the case on ABR.

I haven't really seen anything in ABR's play to worry me unduly. He wasn't contributing much early on, but there are plenty of people who play like that even as town.

^^^^ Time to draw your own conclusions, everyone!

Here is my little scumlist atm:

DGB

- I haven't really found myself agreeing with her much. Either she's scum or our gut feelings are totally different. In addition, the way she continues to read way too much into the scum tell question. This (and her inconsistency in it) is definitely a point against her.

Raskol

- Still think he's scummy, but I thought the way he backed off elvis_knits was more likely to be a townie move.

Fishythefish

- I don't know, getting a bad gut feeling from his posts. He was very wishy-washy about a supposed slip by myko at some point and his initial Gayle vote was a bit off. Mostly this is gut, though.

QUIZ:

Which player is missing from evilsnail's scumlist, given that he's just voted him (basically for voting ABR) and should be there? There's a cookie!

[DrippingGoofball]

I bet you are scum try to get away from a lynch. You are next.

I like your quiet efficiency.

[mykonian]

@myko;

First off did you know each list I made was reading a person in isolation?

Second that is 2 things in bold that 3 other people said exactly word for word? Really? Or is it something they brought up when you said it?
I just want to be clear on the exact words since your saying that I "directly copied" the sentence

I don't care how towny I look. I don't care if everyone said here your scum and need to die as long as I point to the people I feel are scum and made a valid point to me that means the town is in good hands
I just outlined why your "observations" where completely invalid which has nothing to do with what I was looking for.

You want to twist my defending your "observations" as looking town when I just dismantled your whole case by all means people continue on your hypocrisy.

Yes, I know that. How does that in any way excuse your using questions from other people (that were answered)? (Rhetorical question)

They asked the very same question. The wording was maybe not exactly the same, but there was resemblance enough for me to recognize it. Though again, this is not the point. Whether you retyped their questions or copied them is essentially the same

Then why are you asking, why Fishy and you aren't in idea the same, saying my arguments (feel, your reluctance, the fact that Fishy would have to change his scumplay at the very basis) are rubbish. You keep comparing yourself to Fishy, my biggest townread in this game.

And when I say I find this suspicious, combined with the above, you come with a big list why you are towny.

Farside, you care a lot how towny you look

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And you have dismantled nothing. You have called it names. You have argued around points. And now I'm scum.

The bold that myko focased on:

a few people answered this question why refuse to answer yourself?

myko why did you vote from DGB to raskol and with such a hypocritcal statement as this:

I also want to know why myko refused to provide an answer to his own question as well.

Iso post 4

And the second you had the right quote. And I think we can agree you got that point from Rhinox. Since very quickly afterward it was solved, and nobody used it further.