Nikanor:
Jasper, how would you describe the archetypical scum?
Does this qualify as a loaded question? Maybe I'm pushing the def a little but I don't like this very much.
The1fifi:
Drawing to much atention, and for that i unvote him
This is where you start getting suspicious IME. You change your vote as soon as someone mentions it, why did you vote if you wanted it to go unnoticed? Just to have it on the record that at some point you voted for Jasper?
I don't know, though. In the other game I'm in we just lynched someone for playing like this and they flipped town, so imma wait and see.
Anyway, vote Seven for being too quiet
This is only noteworthy because it's the second time she votes without bolding. I don't know if she's just forgetful or if this is to try and slip votes in without having them noticed.
Wacky:
Are you, perhaps, scum, hoping something will stick, or at least distract everyone for a couple of Days by focusing all their attention on responding to you?
You are, aren't you? If not, would you mind then if I tried to start a bandwagon directing all the attention to you?
I have a problem with anyone who has a problem with DTM's asking questions in the beginning to a bunch of people. Discussion is our best tool right now and trying to stifle that is anti-town at the very least.
I have no issue with getting reactions, I do that sort of thing as well and think it's great. However, I disagree with you on that "tunnel fight" comment. I think to find mafia we need them to incriminate themselves. But we're posting over the net, how hard is it to maintain a poker face in normal discussion? A little pressure is required to force errors: mafia may slip up and react badly when staring down a wagon, or if the bandwagonee is town they have a dilemma in whether to play the hero and defend the bandwagonee, or jump in and get them lynched.
This seems WIFOM to me. Playstyles vary incredibly, DTM's way of seeking scum is just as valid as bandwagoning. It gets discussion going and that's what matters. If I'd gotten into the game sooner you'd be telling me what you're telling DTM right now because I'd probably have used the same tactic. I think this is a null-tell.
HOWEVER, what I do think is suspicious is using both tactics at once. By this I mean his eagerness to jump on the Jasper bandwagon with jee. He tries to get discussion going one way and then immediately switches to the other without waiting for it to really work. Strange.
And I hate that so much emphasis is being put on the daykilling thing. It's annoying as hell, but it's not a tell by any means and I think it's lame to kill this guy if indeed he does have some sort of obligation to do this. I'm not saying we can't nail him for other reasons, just not this one. This, however, I QFT:
It's just very improbable. A day investigation cop is improbable. A post-restricted-vig is similarly improbable. A mafia that messed up a fakeclaim.... not so improbable.
So, argh... My feelings on Nik are mixed. I don't always agree but you do bring up some good points.
@Talbot:
Your thoughts on Jas in this game compared to what you've seen from him previously?
@McZ:
Haven't seen much from you that I find useful besides agreeing with others and pointing out things already stated.
@jbernier:
Can you post more? Hardly have anything from you.
@Echo:
See above.
@DTM:
For example if Jee was a day cop then it would make sense for a town PR to justify: "HE R SCUM, BUT I DON"T WANT TO SAY WHY TRUST ME ON THIS"
The problem here is he said he WOULD say why, and then didn't. Obv not day cop.
Believe it or not this is really the question that's going to put the nail in the coffin for this guy, depending on his answer.
Referring to post 21 by you, DTM, in which you say:
DTM wrote:@jbnernier
You are obviously buddying with cylons. Die.
Season 4.5, yay or nay? (Trust me on this one, guys, it's full-proof)
Anyone I haven't mentioned in this post is not on my radar atm (I don't even know who I haven't mentioned...) DTM seems like the most scummy to me at this point but I'm reluctant to jump on the bandwagon, it seems too easy this early on in the game and I find a lot of the tells playing against him aren't exactly the strongest. I'm very weary of those who aren't posting much, until they talk more I can't really figure out who to vote for.
