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Post Post #175 (ISO) » Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:19 am

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So this is a policy lynch? You want to lynch him for behavior that you know is not indicative of his alignment? Why didn't you just come out and say so?

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dramonic (0) -
kunkstar7 (0) -
Limerickx (0) -
lobstermania (0) -
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Panzerjager (6) - peanutman, totallynotmafia, StrangerCoug, MacavityLock, dramonic, Trumpet of Doom
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totallynotmafia (3) - lobstermania, Wolframnhart, Kunkstar7
Trumpet of Doom (1) - Limerickx
Wolframnhart (0) -

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Post Post #176 (ISO) » Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:20 am

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Mod: Please delete the part of my last post between my two starting quote tags, incliding the first one.
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Post Post #177 (ISO) » Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:21 am

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Phlight wrote:So this is a policy lynch? You want to lynch him for behavior that you know is not indicative of his alignment? Why didn't you just come out and say so?
What makes this a policy lynch?
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Post Post #178 (ISO) » Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:24 am

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Actually, let's stop fucking around here. This question skeleton should cover everything I'm asking without the opportunity for semantic dodges.

1) For Panzerjager, do you believe aggressive behavior and baseless or near-baseless votes are a scumtell (ie, behavior he is more likely to engage in as scum)?
1a) If so, this contrasts with your prior experience. Why do you think it's scummy anyway?
1b) If not, do you think he's scum?
1bi) If so, why?
1bii) If not, why are you voting him?
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Post Post #179 (ISO) » Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:22 am

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I'm actually making heads and tails out of you (his first post of Day 2 in Mini 716 came to mind), but I'll answer anyway. I cooperate with reasonable people.
Phlight wrote:1) For Panzerjager, do you believe aggressive behavior and baseless or near-baseless votes are a scumtell (ie, behavior he is more likely to engage in as scum)?
Aggressive behavior, no—I view myself as somebody who engages in this also. Baseless or near-baseless votes, yes.

As for the baseless or near-baseless votes:
Phlight wrote:1a) If so, this contrasts with your prior experience. Why do you think it's scummy anyway?
I like people to put their reasons in front of them. As I said, he pushed for my predecessor's claim too early for my tastes. I don't care for Panzerjager's meta (or anybody else's, for that matter) as heavy reliance on it is, in my opinion, a good way to lose.

As for the aggressive behavior:
Phlight wrote:1b) If not, do you think he's scum?
Yes.
Phlight wrote:1bi) If so, why?
Covered in response to 1a.
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Post Post #180 (ISO) » Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:04 am

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Vote:Panzer


Stupid townies, letting the scum pile up on a "lurker" day 1 for a lynch that means absolutely nothing.

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Post Post #181 (ISO) » Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:24 am

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Dude you could have said all that without being stupid your own self and self hammering, that helps nothing.
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Post Post #182 (ISO) » Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:40 pm

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Panzer, what the fuck are you doing?
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Post Post #183 (ISO) » Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:34 pm

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Oh, that was a hammer. -_-. Too late to do anything about it now. I agree with Panzer that SC and tnm are probably scum.
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Post Post #184 (ISO) » Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:36 pm

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Well he must be a jester or something, otherwise as wolf said that's just stupid unhelpful play.

BTW I thought PJ had put himself at L-1 too because Trumpet said it was L-2 after his vote when it was actually L-1. I don't know if that was deliberately to confuse people or a genuine mistake.
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Post Post #185 (ISO) » Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:45 pm

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Panzer, even if we were going to assume that you were lynched, you just cheated us out of two weeks of scumhunting. If you're town, this is my (Phate speaking) last game with you.
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Post Post #186 (ISO) » Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:01 pm

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Panzerjager (7) - peanutman, totallynotmafia, StrangerCoug, MacavityLock, dramonic, Trumpet of Doom, Panzerjager


With an angry scowl, and a sudden pile-up of angry stares, Panzer decides to quickly and efficiently end the day and throws himself back upon the bookshelf. Upon doing so, it is seen that he was
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It is now N1, all night actions are due within 72 hours.

Thanks to BridgesandBaloons for replacing Limerickx.
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Post Post #187 (ISO) » Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:26 pm

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As morning dawns, you find two of your number to have been returned to the book shelf. Checking the numbers, you first find Kunkstar to be missing. After a search, you find that he had been moved to the shelf in his sleep. The other missing amongst you was one you'd barely noticed at all. BridgesandBaloons had very clearly been ran over however, and that scared everyone a little bit more.

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With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
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Post Post #188 (ISO) » Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:44 pm

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BAH
It is really poor form to night kill a replacement.
Especially since I read-through this game and wrote up an analysis summary of this game.

SC, I looked forward to playing with you.


Whoever night-killed me, shame on you.
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Post Post #189 (ISO) » Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:44 pm

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BAH
It is really poor form to night kill a replacement.
Especially since I read-through this game and wrote up an analysis summary of this game.

SC, I looked forward to playing with you.


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Post Post #190 (ISO) » Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:29 pm

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Personally my policy for those situation would be to tell the replaced he's dead as soon as I know as a mod. Just saying.

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Post Post #191 (ISO) » Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:42 am

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Time to pursue my other suspect from when I replaced in.

Vote: totallynotmafia


I know what I am, but you were awfully quick to jump off my wagon when all I claimed was my story.

The scum's also clearly power-role hunting. We don't know what the two recently dead are yet, though.
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Post Post #192 (ISO) » Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:34 am

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If I have a role that targets, I targeted Trumpet of Doom in the last day/night cycle.

If I have a role that inspects for alignment, I didn't receive a result.

If I have a role that tracks or a role that watches, no one targeted Trumpet of Doom and Trumpet of Doom targetted BridgesAndBaloons.


I would like for everyone to hypoclaim in the above fashion in their next post. Whether you do have a role that targets or not, claim that you do and claim a result. Vigilantes, if any, should consider lying, lest they become obvious. This gives very little information to scum and means that if/when an investigative role dies, we'll have all of their information.

In other news,
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Post Post #193 (ISO) » Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:44 am

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Phlight wrote:
If I have a role that targets, I targeted Trumpet of Doom in the last day/night cycle.

If I have a role that inspects for alignment, I didn't receive a result.

If I have a role that tracks or a role that watches, no one targeted Trumpet of Doom and Trumpet of Doom targetted BridgesAndBaloons.


I would like for everyone to hypoclaim in the above fashion in their next post. Whether you do have a role that targets or not, claim that you do and claim a result. Vigilantes, if any, should consider lying, lest they become obvious. This gives very little information to scum and means that if/when an investigative role dies, we'll have all of their information.
Are you serious? This gives plenty of information to scum, because they'll know who to go for to kill information roles - and as you yourself said, assuming we have a cop(/tracker/watcher) and a doctor is a terrible idea.

In other news, your claimed hypotrack result on me is BS.
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Post Post #194 (ISO) » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:04 am

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Trumpet of Doom wrote:
Phlight wrote:
If I have a role that targets, I targeted Trumpet of Doom in the last day/night cycle.

If I have a role that inspects for alignment, I didn't receive a result.

If I have a role that tracks or a role that watches, no one targeted Trumpet of Doom and Trumpet of Doom targetted BridgesAndBaloons.


I would like for everyone to hypoclaim in the above fashion in their next post. Whether you do have a role that targets or not, claim that you do and claim a result. Vigilantes, if any, should consider lying, lest they become obvious. This gives very little information to scum and means that if/when an investigative role dies, we'll have all of their information.
If I have a role that targets, I targeted [X] in the last day/night cycle.

If have a role that inspects for an alignment, [X is guilty/X is not guilty/I didn't receive a result.

If I have a role that tracks or a role that watches, [Y] targeted [X] and [X] targeted [Z].

I can clearly see why this plan makes sense, Phlight! Since everyone is hypoclaiming, the scum won't know who to kill!
Fixed.

Trumpet of Doom doesn't want a hypoclaim because he's scum. Although I didn't claim a result on him that implicates that he's scum (I hypoclaimed one, which is quite different), you can see the way that he absolutely freaked out. That's much more indicative of scum than my hypoclaim results.
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Post Post #195 (ISO) » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:08 am

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StrangerCoug wrote:Time to pursue my other suspect from when I replaced in.

Vote: totallynotmafia


I know what I am, but you were awfully quick to jump off my wagon when all I claimed was my story.

The scum's also clearly power-role hunting. We don't know what the two recently dead are yet, though.
I don't get why people (especially you) think it is so strange that I believed you - country mouse and city mouse make sense to be masons, if it had been a story without such an obvious relationship then I would have been dubious. If you are scum then it means that you either went through the little golden books and found country mouse and city mouse, hoping nobody else would have it, or you ARE country mouse and your scumbuddy is city mouse, which would be the dumbest claim ever because if your scumbuddy is lynched and comes up as city mouse, you're screwed. The first scenario is possible I guess, but involves a fair bit of luck, and is much more of a stretch than if you are telling the truth and you are a mason.

And what was the point of saying "I know what I am"? Stating the obvious a fair bit there, I should hope everyone knows what their role is.

If I have a role that targets, I targeted Phlight in the last day/night cycle.

If I have a role that inspects for alignment, the result was "innocent".

If I have a role that tracks or a role that watches, no one targeted Phlight and Phlight targeted no one.


I was going to ask Trumpet of Doom about his little mix-up with the lynch count but I guess I don't need to now.

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Post Post #196 (ISO) » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:17 am

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Phlight wrote:
Trumpet of Doom wrote:
Phlight wrote:
If I have a role that targets, I targeted Trumpet of Doom in the last day/night cycle.

If I have a role that inspects for alignment, I didn't receive a result.

If I have a role that tracks or a role that watches, no one targeted Trumpet of Doom and Trumpet of Doom targetted BridgesAndBaloons.


I would like for everyone to hypoclaim in the above fashion in their next post. Whether you do have a role that targets or not, claim that you do and claim a result. Vigilantes, if any, should consider lying, lest they become obvious. This gives very little information to scum and means that if/when an investigative role dies, we'll have all of their information.
If I have a role that targets, I targeted [X] in the last day/night cycle.

If have a role that inspects for an alignment, [X is guilty/X is not guilty/I didn't receive a result.

If I have a role that tracks or a role that watches, [Y] targeted [X] and [X] targeted [Z].

I can clearly see why this plan makes sense, Phlight! Since everyone is hypoclaiming, the scum won't know who to kill!
Fixed.

Trumpet of Doom doesn't want a hypoclaim because he's scum. Although I didn't claim a result on him that implicates that he's scum (I hypoclaimed one, which is quite different), you can see the way that he absolutely freaked out. That's much more indicative of scum than my hypoclaim results.
....hang on, hang on. Voting for someone after a hypoclaim result is a lot different than just a hypoclaim rseult by itself. Just want to make sure we're on the same page, otherwise this hypoclaim stuff is stupid.
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Post Post #197 (ISO) » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:09 am

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Oh don't worry TNM.
This hypoclaim stuff is very stupid, no matter which way you take it ^_^
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Post Post #198 (ISO) » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:16 am

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Post 187 is updated with accurate role information and kill scene. Apologies for not being able to complete that on post. Also to Bridges for being replaced only to be NK'd.
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Post Post #199 (ISO) » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:18 am

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2/3 of my top three possible scum have now refused to hypoclaim; let's see what SC does.
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