Mini 903 - Owarai TV (Game over... who won?)

[Anon]

Anon, I'd like to hear your thoughts on Devestation's recent mental breakdown and general exaggeration of the pressure on him.

Mental breakdown: nulltell.
Exaggeration of the pressure on him: scumtell.

But I think:

Go on, lynch me. See if I care.

aggressiveness and playing with his own lynch are very reliable towntells.

As I said, we just should lynch dramonic. I am in the point where nothing that he says make me think he is town.

[xRECKONERx]

Update - just got all my stuff moved in to my new house off the truck, and my room looks like quite the clusterfuck. Hopefully I'll be back in this game by tomorrow night.

[dramonic]

I reckon you could probably just lynch me now then.

Last Words, if I am to be lynched: I believe the scum is more than likely among Raivann, Starbuck, Anon and VPB.

yes, my opinion on you changed VP. I dont recall you being so "gung-oh"

[Raskol]

votecount please?

I'm fine with lynching dramonic, btw. Oh so NOT convinced by the 'okay just lynch me then' thing two posts after Anon called doing that a towntell.

[dramonic]

Actually, considering I simply restated part of my earlier 24, that's not what I'd call a valid accusation

[Raskol]

Don't really care, the point is you're not helping yourself out with that.

[Kise]

Is it wrong that I like Britney Spears' song?

Vote Count:

dramonic: 3

(chauchaudotcom, Anon, Raivann)

Devestation: 2

(Raskol, VPB)

xRECKONERx: 1

(Amished)

Starbuck: 1

(xRECKONERx)

Raivann: 1

(dramonic)

Not Voting:

Devestation, Starbuck

Threshold:

6 votes.

Deadline:

Feb 10th.

[Raskol]

unvote

vote: dramonic

[Devestation]

By fixed system, he's either voting and pressuring for a lynch or waiting to be allowed to hammer based on who is under the microscope at the time, and occasionally he simply reverts back to Raivann- I suspect it's because he is under attack.

I need to look closer and after a dose of coffee and a hell of a lot of fish oil.

[Starbuck]

1. The fact that you passed it off as a RV rather then questioning it like you did the first bandwagon. "Cool, I've never been quicklynched before. This shall be fun!" just seemed like you were trying to play it off.

I had 3 votes, which is no where near being lynched.

It feels here like you wanted me to overreact so you could pin something on me.

Also, why didn't you follow up on the questions you asked d1? Did Hell's flip suddenly change your opinions of everyone and your cases against them?

How is it for you to say that I didn't?

How didn't I provide examples? Your reaction to the bandwagon, your inconsistent activity, your lack of followup despite questioning, gut read. I didn't link exact posts but I gave you reasons why I suspect you. And there is a reason why you are my #3 not my #1.

Saying those things, but not providing specific quotes/actions = not providing examples, thus not providing evidence.

I really don't understand how providing both sides of the situation is fencesitting.

when you never actually deliver an opinion, this is the quintessential definition of fence sitting.

I can see this. All I was trying to say is that I am always wary of double voter claims due to my experiences with them.

[Starbuck]

ISO of Dram - Day 1

He lurked through a good chunk of the beginning of the game. I do realize he was on vacation, but it doesn't change the fact that he wasn't here.

His first post is on January 2nd just stating that "Dram is here".

After FOUR DAYS of him not being around, he posts for a second time on January 6th stating that he's finally back from vacation and he's gonna read up.

THREE DAYS LATER and we get his third post/first post of substance on January 9th - Page 9, Post 202. Here he votes for Hell stating that he is caught scum, and says the following:

I'm ambivalent about Starbuck and Raivann (although both would make for a weird combinaison)
Chau and Amished are strong town reads so far.
Raskol's vote on me makes no sense at ALL, considering I hadn't posted at the time, I fail to see what it was trying to accomplish. It wouldnt get a reaction, it wouldnt stop eventual lurking (since I'd need to post before I can be accused of that). It's an easy-lynch though.

FoS: Raskol

I don't understand how Raskol's vote "makes no sense" if he was trying to pressure dram to post.

dram says here that "it wouldn't get a reaction", but that's exactly what he just gave here.


Also, this is the only time during Day 1 that he mentions me.

After Raivann votes HellnFire...

^scumpartner of the previously mentionned outed scum.

@Dram - How is my vote different from anyone else's?

It's hasty and uninformed. Also I already had previous suspicions of you. This just reinforces it.

What was hasty and uninformed about his vote?

He then states:

My previous suspicion is unrelated to your behaviour with Hell. It's more about your interaction with the Starbuck wagon that rubbed/scraped me the wrong way.

How did it rub you the wrong way? What specifically made you suspicious?


He seems very reluctant to link Hell and Rai....

I'm not saying I dont believe they are scum together. I'm saying what first triggered my suspicion of Raivann is unrelated to Hell. They could very well be scum together, the fact he stated earlier suspicions is meaningless, at the very least until either one flips.

Wether hell flips town or scum, I believe Raiv will flip scum. Meanwhile, I believe Hell will flip scum.

Call them mutually exclusive if you like.

He then states to VP Baltar that his preferred lynch for Day 1 is Hell.

[VP Baltar]

Is it wrong that I like Britney Spears' song?

Stop trolling your own thread.

@Starbuck- I like your new avatar! As far as your points on dram, they are a bit so-so, but I'll let him respond to that first. However, if that really is the only time he mentions you day 1, I do find it interesting that he thinks you're scum.

dram, STILLLLLL waiting on your Raivann case. deliver. now.

[Starbuck]

ISO of Dram - Day 2

Now that hell has effectively flipped scum, I say we can lynch Rai.

Now why would he say this if he didn't feel a connection between the 2?


We don't hear from him again for over 2 pages later where he states that he feels the Amished-Baltar-Reck discussion is just town bickering.


Then we don't hear from him for another page when he posts:

I find it quite funny that the people I most believe to be town keep attacking each other one way or another.

I want to lynch either Starbuck or Raivann. Both give me that tingly sensation and I think there HAS to be scum between the two.

Remember that he only mentioned me ONCE during the entirety of Day 1.

Why does there HAVE to be scum between Rai and I?

He said that he suspected Rai due to the interaction between him and I when Rai entered the game, but he never says anything about me except in his opening substantial post on Day 1.



In Post 444, he gives another substance-filled post. But he's not going to vote Rai! All the suspicion and no vote?

My oh my, shifting wagon.

I'm not voting Rai because I don't have a solid case in any form on him. I am almost certain that he is scum, but I cant just say "he's scum, vote him!"

Quite a bit of fence sitting, don't cha think?


He is...

I am strongly in favour of a Rai lynch
Strongly against a xRx, Amished, CC.C lynch
I'm also strongly against a VPB lynch, but after Goma I dont trust myself on that one :p

But absolutely nothing about myself, the second most suspicious person to him supposedly!



In Post 462, he states

I dont believe you to be scum VPB, just as much as I dont believe Amished and Rek are scum.

However, I was pertty sure you were town in Goma too and look where that lead us X_X

Reck follows this post with

dram, what about Starbuck?

To which dramonic replies:

She is a good scum alternative in my mind if Rai flips town, but I doubt they'd be scum together.

He says this but still has not even posted a case on me!

He also finally votes for Rai in the same post as this quote and a few posts down finally gives a sort of case on Rai...

1- The bandwagon vote on Starbuck reeked. You dont just vote without reading the whole game first, even in a RVS.
2- Blows up my interactions to try to make them scummy (oh noes, I used an emoticon!)
3- Says he's suspicious of CC.C but votes dev (with a weeeeak case)

4- Gut feeling.
5- Spleen feeling.
6- oesophagus feeling.

He was against a Baltar lynch earlier (I mean, seriously, who in their right mind is against lynching Gaius Baltar! =P)and completely flips it around here...

I reckon you could probably just lynch me now then.

Last Words, if I am to be lynched: I believe the scum is more than likely among Raivann, Starbuck, Anon and VPB.

yes, my opinion on you changed VP. I dont recall you being so "gung-oh"

He mentions me again by name, but still absolutely nothing by means of a case.

And all of a sudden he pulls Anon out of the blue.

[Starbuck]

My case against Dramonic

1. It seems like he just trying to seem like he's contributing and scumhunting, when he's really not.
2. He's still hung up on Raivann's entrance into the game being scummy, when his own entrance was at page 9.
3. He mentions me as scum multiple times. Only once during all of Day 1 and a couple times during Day 2, but NEVER provides a case.
4. He was damn sure that Hell was scum. It very much feels to me as bussing.

Vote: dramonic

[Amished]

Starbuck: I like your ISO Day 2 case better than your D1 (which basically could be summarized by "dram never mentioned me {Star} and had me at the top of his scum list for no explanation").

I think unaccounted for scum reads are almost as bad as unaccounted for town reads. I didn't think about dram as much d1 in that regard probably cause I thought chau was town and I knew I was as well. Apparently to slip by me you just have to buddy the shit outta me -_-

Dram, consider this post to be a pseudo-vote. It would put you at L-1 and I'd like you to claim now.

[VP Baltar]

I agree with Amished that the second part of Starbucks analysis is much better. I'd also vote you dram, so claiming time it is.

[Starbuck]

Amished, he's already at L-1.

[chauchaudotcom]

dram, STILLLLLL waiting on your Raivann case. deliver. now.

Post 496 was his case on Rai.

It feels here like you wanted me to overreact so you could pin something on me.

Uh, no. It was a matter of consistency. You questioned one bandwagon attempt but not another, which I interpreted as odd. And knowing "I had 3 votes, which is no where near being lynched." Then why did you say this: "Cool, I've never been quicklynched before. This shall be fun!"

How is it for you to say that I didn't?

Because you didn't post responses on anyone's responses.

Saying those things, but not providing specific quotes/actions = not providing examples, thus not providing evidence.

Because I assumed we were all reading the same game and knew what was going on. But if you want specifics:

bandwagoning shit
Iso 3 - questioned Amish
Iso 6 - didn't question Rai, just played it off
Iso 10, 11, 12 - gave Rai a pass but didn't with Amish

In original case but ceded, but for your reference anyway:
Iso 22 to 23 - gone for four days when Hell inquisition begins
Iso 25 to 26 - gone for a week when Hell is close to lynch

followup
Iso 24 - provides huge ass post with a bagillion questions
Iso 27 - when you come back after the nk none of prior questions are mentioned, hence my accusation of a no follow up.

gut
in general your posts have given me a bad vibe because you interpret people's questions in odd ways and it didn't seem like you were suspicious of people (prior to hell) because they were scummy but merely because they were the ones questioning you.

odd interpretations when being 'questioned'
Iso 14, 24(chau 1st two) and......more recently to add to the bunch Iso 38
voting reasoning
Iso 16, 24(amished sec)

Overall you're really passive aggressive. You only attack when being attacked.

[Starbuck]

Overall you're really passive aggressive. You only attack when being attacked.

LoL, catch up with the game plx.

[dramonic]

what Chau said. on another topic, I'm vanilla

[chauchaudotcom]

Overall you're really passive aggressive. You only attack when being attacked.

LoL, catch up with the game plx.

Are you referring to your dram case? Because the whole dram bit started quite a bit ago and you didn't build a case on him until now so I'm taking that as a whole separate matter.

[VP Baltar]

I'm ready to hammer. My only last words are that if I'm not around tomorrow, I'm still pretty confident in my suspects and think that's a good place to look.

[chauchaudotcom]

You'll be around because I'm gonna get nked.

[VP Baltar]

hopefully

[xRECKONERx]

Scum should just NK the doublevoter.