SWN II: The Curse of the Nekomata (Game over!)

[Fishythefish]

I dislike Starbuck’s case on skyedoc. Basically, everything in it is a nulltell or a pretty weak scumtell (particularly: AtE, overreaction, lack of reads d1, defensiveness, PR softclaim, emotions of all kinds). He makes one good point, that skye hasn’t said much about the dp wagon – although this was more by way of a counter-counter-attack, and feels very much like an afterthought that fitted.
A large portion of Starbuck’s posts are about the kind of things that people often think are scumtells, but actually don’t fit well into a coherent picture of scum (basically, all of the above plus rolefishing-by-asking-people-to-claim [starbuck’s first post]). For me, this makes him likely scum.

What about my case SPECIFICALLY don't you like? Do you care to provide specific examples?

What's with your defense of sykedoc when he has already committed so many scummy actions?

What defense of sykedoc? The above is an attack on your case on him.

I dislike virtually every point in your case. As soon as I have time (next day or so), I'll do a massive wall of your points, with my comments - almost all of which will be "not actually a scumtell".

[Starbuck]

It feels to me that you are defending sykedoc by helping him discredit my case.

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

Anon (1): sykedoc
DocPotter (10): LlamaFluff, wolframnhart, kyle99, Nul, Fishythefish, SaintKerrigan, RayFrost, Kairyuu, Parama, Amished
Nul (1): Pomegranate
Parama (1): Sanhora
SaintKerrigan (1): Rifka Viveka
sykedoc (4): Anon, DeathNote, Starbuck, MafiaSSK
Not voting (7): Bogre, My Milked Eek, xRECKONERx, DocPotter, animorpherv1, tubby216, RichardGHP

With

25

players alive, it takes

13

votes to lynch.

[Starbuck]

I still believe he's scummy, but I believe there is a smarter scum, and I'd rather get rid of a smarter scum who I believe will do more damage if left alive.

How does this make sense? You BELIEVE he's scummy and you see that the wagon is in his favor, but you aren't voting for him?

[DocPotter]

Pom: The only Post restrictions I've seen before this game are more along the lines of number of words per post or number of posts per day. These would be hard to detect.
Such blatant restrictions as language or color are new to me.
How common are they in bastard games? Clearly Ani thought they would be more subtle, so why don't you?

Kyle. Perhaps you should read the game occasionally.

Docpotter brought up 3 people on Syke wagon, I think, and tried to point scumminess towards them, 1 (pom) wasn't on the wagon.

What are you on about here?
Pom asked me a question, I answered it.
Your comment makes no sense.
Especially as I've pointed no scumminess at her. Who I have pointed scumminess at should be bloody obvious.

FOS Bogre

You are not playing how I've seen you play.

Vote Kyle

That's twice you've not bothered to read my posts properly, and come out with something that's just wrong. One of them seems to be the basis for your vote.

[Kairyuu]

@all: I'm taking a few days off from pretty much everything due to some personal issues, which may or may not involve travelling without access to internet. If you want me replaced for it then go ahead. Mafia isn't really a top priority for me right now.

[sykedoc]

I like how my post on SSK activelurking and giving a vote on me with no reason even remotely stated in any of his posts has gone relatively ignored.
I am slightly astounded if nobody else is curious why this vote occurred and just seems plain opportunistic.
I'm sure it was read.

Now:

Unvote

Nobody else is going to help me with that vote it seems.

Also this most recent post by DP has me slightly irked.

Vote Kyle
That's twice you've not bothered to read my posts properly, and come out with something that's just wrong. One of them seems to be the basis for your vote.

I'm not sure if I missed something but Kyle was recently prodded, meaning he hasn't posted for awhile before his most recent post, which is this:

Sorry about that, I've been having difficulty getting power in my house. DocPotter is at L3 AFAIK, so if he gets a couple more votes, I'd say he should claim. I'll try to make a better post once my power is 100%, it's dumb to start making a post and have the power go out

The next post from DP posted above acts as if he just recently posted against him.
I find it really weird that DP has just now decided to vote for Kyle, especially based on something that occurred awhile ago. Wouldn't it have been more appropriate to vote on that earlier when it happened?

Vote DocPotter

I'm trying again with Anon tomorrow.

[sykedoc]

EBWOP: "That vote" refers to Anon not SSK.

Addition:

You BELIEVE he's scummy and you see that the wagon is in his favor, but you aren't voting for him?

Again, it seemed to me that Anon was scummier, DP is scummy but in a stupidly obvious way. Anon seems like he could worm his way out of it. But, to be honest, you're right. I got a little bit of tunnel vision, and was a bit blind to the fact that I might be able to deal with it at another time even though I'll most likely die tonight.

[SaintKerrigan]

Mod: I need to replace out. School's becoming a larger factor, and I don't have time for this game. Sorry for the inconvenience.

[Anon]

Sykedoc, why am I scum again?

[sykedoc]

Sykedoc, why am I scum again?

I've already stated my reasons in many previous posts. Please go look for it as I shouldn't need to restate my reasons.

[Starbuck]

Yes, you should.

I still feel this DocPotter wagon is opportunistic. My vote will be staying where it is.

[Amished]

Sykedoc, why am I scum again?

I've already stated my reasons in many previous posts. Please go look for it as I shouldn't need to restate my reasons.

You know, I was curious about this as well and I looked back. As far as I can tell, syke believes Anon to be skilled; and would be scary if Anon were scum.

[Anon]

Sykedoc, why am I scum again?

I've already stated my reasons in many previous posts. Please go look for it as I shouldn't need to restate my reasons.

No, I really want you to restate them or add another reasons or quote them from me in case I miss them, because I reread and found out that you think I am scum because I only checked only one game of yours which as I explained in:

The serial killer game was the last one he played and the first I found when doing my research. I did read some other games, the thing is that as sykedoc says the majority are all replacements games where he is forced to have a read already. Search is down now but if you can check his newbie where he IS definitely more liberal with his voting. He was town.

is not true. So?

[RayFrost]

I still believe he's scummy, but I believe there is a smarter scum, and I'd rather get rid of a smarter scum who I believe will do more damage if left alive.

How does this make sense? You BELIEVE he's scummy and you see that the wagon is in his favor, but you aren't voting for him?

This.

unvote, vote: sykedoc

[LlamaFluff]

Busy week, multiple midterms, cheering section duties for game thursday... should be able to keep up on reading but maybe not posting much

[sykedoc]

Sykedoc, why am I scum again?

I've already stated my reasons in many previous posts. Please go look for it as I shouldn't need to restate my reasons.

No, I really want you to restate them or add another reasons or quote them from me in case I miss them, because I reread and found out that you think I am scum because I only checked only one game of yours which as I explained in:

The serial killer game was the last one he played and the first I found when doing my research. I did read some other games, the thing is that as sykedoc says the majority are all replacements games where he is forced to have a read already. Search is down now but if you can check his newbie where he IS definitely more liberal with his voting. He was town.

While you aren't the most opportunistic person on my wagon. I feel you are twisting a very small piece of evidence without taking all of it into context. You don't seem to mention any other game I've played. There is more behavior than just having or not having a read. You are taking a very small piece of a large puzzle. More than one thing goes into a person's meta and I feel you are purposely avoiding any other part of my game behavior outside of something done in one game.

is not true. So?

[Starbuck]

I still believe he's scummy, but I believe there is a smarter scum, and I'd rather get rid of a smarter scum who I believe will do more damage if left alive.

How does this make sense? You BELIEVE he's scummy and you see that the wagon is in his favor, but you aren't voting for him?

This.

unvote, vote: sykedoc

RF, he is now voting for DocPotter, but only after I posted this.

[sykedoc]

EBWOP: for some reason my reply ended up in the quote right above
"is not true. So?"

Mod: Can you fix it? TY

[RayFrost]

Starbuck, it doesn't change the fact he avoided doing so for an extensive period of time until pressured to do so.

I believe that's called scumthatwantalynchtogothroughandwillsupportitwhilenotactivelymakingithappenbyvotingtheperson

[sykedoc]

I still believe he's scummy, but I believe there is a smarter scum, and I'd rather get rid of a smarter scum who I believe will do more damage if left alive.

How does this make sense? You BELIEVE he's scummy and you see that the wagon is in his favor, but you aren't voting for him?

This.

unvote, vote: sykedoc

RF, he is now voting for DocPotter, but only after I posted this.

Like I said: I don't see my vote on Anon going anywhere. I still believe he's scummy but there doesn't seem to be anybody who agrees.

[Anon]

Sykedoc, did you even read what I posted?

Specially the part where I said I DID read more than your serial killer game?

[DocPotter]

Skye. Perhaps you should be reading.

I post that I will be absent for a day or two, kyle makes the post that you quote, and then I responded to it when I came back. You know that post you quoted where Kyle said I should claim.

Of course if he had read the game he would have seen me say that I am town. Asking for a claim when I have is a good sign that he's not reading the game isn't it?

So why are you really voting that way. Worried that Starbuck is starting to pin you down and you want to jump the biggest wagon to stop yours forming?
For that matter, why the change from your claimed fence sitting normal style of play since you also said that fence sitting seems to work for you?

[Starbuck]

Specially the part where I said I DID read more than your serial killer game?

Wasn't that the basis of his entire "case" on you? The fact that you only "read" one game of his?

[sykedoc]

Sykedoc, did you even read what I posted?

Specially the part where I said I DID read more than your serial killer game?

Not what I'm trying to say. I think you're purposely not talking about the other behaviors. I'm not saying you didn't look at other games but a meta is more than one or two behaviors, it is made up of many types of actions and behaviors. You don't seem to be interested in comparing other behaviors. I feel like you're going after what is most convenient to put a case on me.