Mini 902: Pick your Poison 4 (Game over!)

[scotmany12]

Scot:
Coming to terms with it does not mean I came to terms with it. I'm still not that happy with the godfather due to how it affects whatever investigative roles we might have.

What do you think would have been best then?

Oh, RC/GF is the best combination. But at the time I was still mulling over other options instead of the godfather.

[ortolan]

prodded, will post tomorrow

[CooLDoG]

Also if someone has already said someone then its okay to say the same person.

Ok CooLDoG, hypothetically if you were the weak doc, who would you protect?

Ok this one is a bit harder.
It's hard to say if I was week doc who I would protect. I might try protecting farside22 because she has found 1-2 people who relentlessly attack her. Or maybe YOS because if he is town the scum might see him as someone who makes content big posts. However, yos is acting like a politician right now because he says allot without saying much. sooo, I would go with farside22 or someone who had a few Isolated pings from people.

@yos, owned

[Patrick]

Ellibereth replaces chamber. Welcome.

[Ellibereth]

Hai.

[Porochaz]

CoolDog we need one definitive name for this to work...

In the mean time...

Original Roll String: 1d11

1 11-Sided Dice: (4) = 4

[Porochaz]

1) chamber
2) Porochaz

3) Anon

4) ortolan
5) Leech
6) Riceballtail
7) Yosarian2
8) farside22 (replacing Sanhora)
9) Sajin
10) CallMeLiam (replacing malpascp)
11) scotmany12

6) Cooldog

Anon, your next. Who would you weakdoc protect?

[Yosarian2]

Wait. You're just going to try to start a hypodoc claim without actually getting consensuss that it's a good idea, even though something like half the town seems to oppose it? You realize that's likely to lead to disaster, right?

[Porochaz]

drunk

Can you quote me the half of the town that oppose it.

Then can you read PYP2 and tell me where it was a bad idea to do a hypocop claim assuring that we allow people to choose who they want.

[farside22]

I know the only issue I had with hypoclaiming was with giving the scum an RB. Since that isn't in the game I dont' see what's wrong with hypoclaiming.

[CooLDoG]

Alright poro you want a name as of right now... I would choose Farside. Because she does seem townish yet it would be good to confirm her side. It would also not be as risky as picking say RBT, or yos (sorry).
I have no issue with a hypoclaim right now for the record. And as far as half the town not wanting it it seems to me that OVER half the town have nothing to say on it.

hyperclaim vote count:
yes- poro, cooldog, farside
no-yos

(I don't have time right now to go back and re-read the thread to see all who did did not support it. If you all would not mind I would like you to post what you do think about a hypoclaim).

[Anon]

Wait. You're just going to try to start a hypodoc claim without actually getting consensuss that it's a good idea, even though something like half the town seems to oppose it? You realize that's likely to lead to disaster, right?

Im probably missing something but what kind of disaster a hypoclaim can lead to?

In other news, cooldog is also town.

Really? You're telling me to not even suspect a player of a game on day 1? I really don't like how you're blatantly telling me to not look at someone when there is no reason I shouldn't be.

I think she is town and there has been some reasons that explain this feeling. Tell me why you disagree with them.

What do people think of scotmany?=

[Anon]

For some reason I missed post 299.

I hate his demanding for scumlists. Hate it. It's not scumhunting and it's pretending to contribute when it's not.

Asking for scumlists its not a scumtell.

Scumlists are a VERY powerful tool of information of people your gut doesn't like. So yeah, it IS scumhunting.

And I get an extremely scummy vibe from this. Not only does it imply that he has prior knowledge of who is town and not, but I agree with Leech. He's telling leech to not even look at farside.

I think she is town and there has been some reasons that explain this feeling. Tell me why you disagree with them.

Wonder why scotmany is not attacking yos for basically doing the same thing.

Anon has focused on three players.

Also why would I ask a scumlist of people I dont suspect?

[scotmany12]

For some reason I missed post 299.

I hate his demanding for scumlists. Hate it. It's not scumhunting and it's pretending to contribute when it's not.

Asking for scumlists its not a scumtell.

Scumlists are a VERY powerful tool of information of people your gut doesn't like. So yeah, it IS scumhunting.

And I get an extremely scummy vibe from this. Not only does it imply that he has prior knowledge of who is town and not, but I agree with Leech. He's telling leech to not even look at farside.

I think she is town and there has been some reasons that explain this feeling. Tell me why you disagree with them.

Wonder why scotmany is not attacking yos for basically doing the same thing.

Anon has focused on three players.

Also why would I ask a scumlist of people I dont suspect?

If you are so inclined for scumlists, why wouldn't you ask everyone for one?

Also, there is a distinct difference between someone saying "I think so and so is town," and "So is so is town, don't look at her."

Yeah, Anon is scum.

We are hypoclaiming. The only person who is opposed to it is Yos, which I do not get seeing as how he was in pyp2 and seeing that we caught scum hypoclaiming weakdoc in that.

[Leech]

I know the only issue I had with hypoclaiming was with giving the scum an RB. Since that isn't in the game I dont' see what's wrong with hypoclaiming.

Let's make this a worst case scenario to show you how bad it can be. There's three scum in this game and 9 town players. If we all hypoclaim that could make it so 3 players on the town's side hypoclaim protecting scum. If none of those three players die, then it cuts down on who could be the weak doc by 1/3'rd. Meaning, now instead of them having to locate the weak doc out of 9, they have a 1/6 chance of nailing that role. It can easily narrow down, for the scum, who the weak doc actually is.

Sure, the hypoclaiming may have worked in the past, but it's no guarantee it will work in this game. I'm completely opposed to the idea for that very reason.

Wonder why scotmany is not attacking yos for basically doing the same thing.

You are the only person in this game to blatantly tell someone to not look at someone else. We're on day 1, and you're saying that I shouldn't even suspect, or get anyone to consider suspecting Farside. Why? What benefit is there in not suspecting everyone? If you can think of a single pro-town reason to refrain from so much as suspecting player of the game, I'd love to hear it.

[Riceballtail]

Scot: Would you vote for me? If so why/why not?

[farside22]

I know the only issue I had with hypoclaiming was with giving the scum an RB. Since that isn't in the game I dont' see what's wrong with hypoclaiming.

Let's make this a worst case scenario to show you how bad it can be. There's three scum in this game and 9 town players. If we all hypoclaim that could make it so 3 players on the town's side hypoclaim protecting scum. If none of those three players die, then it cuts down on who could be the weak doc by 1/3'rd. Meaning, now instead of them having to locate the weak doc out of 9, they have a 1/6 chance of nailing that role. It can easily narrow down, for the scum, who the weak doc actually is.

Sure, the hypoclaiming may have worked in the past, but it's no guarantee it will work in this game. I'm completely opposed to the idea for that very reason.

I think this may be way scots was talking about people not picking the same player so it doesn't come to that.

[farside22]

I just realized that still can narrow down things for scum to 2 players.

What about Anon's idea on protecting someone you think is town? This way if there is a weak doc he can absolutely 100% (except the GF) clear maybe a player or two and protect someone they feel is protown at the same time.

[Patrick]

Votecount

Riceballtail (5) -- Yosarian2, ortolan, Anon, farside22, CooLDoG
Ellibereth (1) -- Riceballtail
CooLDoG (1) -- Porochaz
Anon (1) -- scotmany12
Yosarian2 (1) -- Sajin
farside22 (2) -- Ellibereth, Leech

Not voting: CallMeLiam
12 alive, 7 to lynch.

[scotmany12]

Scot: Would you vote for me? If so why/why not?

I don't particularly think you are scum, so no.

[Ellibereth]

Meh, I'm kind of busy this weekend, so I only skimmed the last few pages and looked at what roles scum got. Anything else important that I should know?
I don't see anything wrong with Hypo-claiming weak doctor.
Agree with Scot that Anon feels off.

Vote: Anon

[farside22]

Meh, I'm kind of busy this weekend, so I only skimmed the last few pages and looked at what roles scum got. Anything else important that I should know?
I don't see anything wrong with Hypo-claiming weak doctor.
Agree with Scot that Anon feels off.

Vote: Anon

Awesome stuff of noncontribution and following right here.

Elibereth why does Anon feel off? What is your thoughts on the RBT wagon?

[Ellibereth]

Dunno, can't pinpoint it now, mostly blatantly following Scot's points which look good.
Haven't read whole topic yet.

[CooLDoG]

Going by poro's list it is your turn anon to hyp claim...

Now as far as the elli vote on Anno...
I have made votes early in the game off of me good ol' gut. I was right maybe once or twice but just because you do make a gut call does not mean that you are scum. However, I would prefer if you explainedd your votes a bit more before voting (yes I am also looking at you yos, sorry I can't help it lol).

@scot, any town tells for good ol' rice ball? If she flips el scum I am going to look at you, just so you know. And also when was scum lists bad? You are close to the point at which I might vote you. Scum lists are very good, very pro-town. In fact I would almost dare to say that you should post a scum list every day. So with this I want you scum list, And No bullshit, just give it right out.

@all, and why did the RBT wagon break up we were at l-2, we should have gotten to l-1 before we decided to stop it. I must add that RBT does seem to be playing a bit more town as of late, but I still like my vote. I think that we could have pushed a claim without a hammer and gotten some good info from that.

[scotmany12]

I'm getting a town vibe from RBT, I'll give more reasoning either after work or tomorrow. And i'm not giving a scumlist. I never do them. I'm not going to start all of a sudden to please you. I really don't care if you look at me if RBT is scum.