SWN II: The Curse of the Nekomata (Game over!)

[wolframnhart]

I am pretty sure Ray has the definition correct, at least that is how i understood white knighting.


and @kyle
answering questions directed at others, even if you are trying to give input (which still you shouldn't do until the person answers and even then might not want to) is because it can then give that person a way out by using your logic, instead of the question possibly tripping them up and maybe leading to scum.

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

Anon (2): sykedoc, tubby216
DeathNote (2): Datadanne, RayFrost
DocPotter (6): LlamaFluff, wolframnhart, kyle99, Nul, Fishythefish, SaintKerrigan
Nul (1): Pomegranate
Parama (2): Sanhora, ace5993
sykedoc (3): Anon, Kairyuu, DeathNote
Not voting (9): Bogre, DedicatedScribe, MafiaSSK, My Milked Eek, Starbuck, xuie77, Parama, DocPotter, animorpherv1

With

25

players alive, it takes

13

votes to lynch.

Datadanne is prodded and xuie77 has about 15 minutes to post before getting replaced.

[StrangerCoug]

xRECKONERx replaces xuie77.

[Pomegranate]

Hi Reck!

[xRECKONERx]

A hearty HELLLOOOOO to the following people:
animorpherv1
kyle99
LlamaFluff
MafiaSSK
My Milked Eek
RayFrost
SaintKerrigan
Starbuck
tubby216
wolframnhart
xRECKONERx

I'll have you all know that anyone not on that list is scum. Kidding, of course. Kinda. Am I? I dunno. I should probably read the thread first -_-

[xRECKONERx]

EEEEEK I LEFT POM OFF I SO SOWWY

[sykedoc]

syke, what's with you telling me to "read everything"? I've asked you to elaborate and you refuse.

Also, if you READ the top of my post, that's only to page 9.

and I'm saying, until you've read all of the pages, those thoughts aren't complete thoughts. If you're looking for tl;dr, then ask but you aren't. I'm saying a lot of this can be explained had you caught all the way up. I just think its redundant to ask things that have been answered or are in the text to begin with. Please just catch up and reconsider the questions.

[sykedoc]

I thought white knighting was taking the "good guy" side (as in going

against

a wagon rather than being for it)?

Anyway, can't wait for starbuck to catch up fully.

Whoops! Missed this the first time.

The way I know this is becoming a "town leader" of sorts.
If I'm wrong, I apologize, that's just how I know it.

[LlamaFluff]

Greetings and salutations to Starbuck and Reck

Now go vote DP

[sykedoc]

Greetings and salutations to Starbuck and Reck

Now go vote DP

Lol at least give him a tl;dr version of why.

[animorpherv1]

lol Reck. Welcome to both Starbouck and Reck!

[tubby216]

can't wait for starbuck to catch up fully.

[Anon]

Apeasing a dominant force is a smart tell.

Scumbags are more likely to appease someone that is suspecting him, while townies are more likely to reinforce their position. So yeah, its a scumtell.

Overreacting is not a scumtell. Saying someone is overreacting is a scumtell.

Scumbags are more likely to overreact to a nonexistent pressure because they are paranoid of being supected/lynched. So yeah, its a scumtell.

The "youll be sah sorry when you lynch mah!!"" is another thing that bothers me and that I think is more likely to come from scum than from a real power role. Do you agree?

I feel you started with a meta case and then went from there, picking up what seemed like some scumtells when you squint your eyes a bit.

Nah, the case started when sykedoc started saying that he didnt have any reads, which is a slight scumtell in my book. I asked in my next post if he had any town games where he had played like that. He didnt give any. Then I reread the serial killer game and found notable similarities with this stance. So yeah, I pushed there and then yeah, the case picked up from there.

@Anon: why did you only look at that game in constructing your case? If you didn't, how do skye's other games fit with your case?

The serial killer game was the last one he played and the first I found when doing my research. I did read some other games, the thing is that as sykedoc says the majority are all replacements games where he is forced to have a read already. Search is down now but if you can check his newbie where he IS definitely more liberal with his voting. He was town.

.......

Llama, can you concise your case on docpotter? What are the scumtells you are using to suspect him? What do you think of the bandwagon formed against him?

[sykedoc]

@Anon: why did you only look at that game in constructing your case? If you didn't, how do skye's other games fit with your case?

The serial killer game was the last one he played and the first I found when doing my research. I did read some other games, the thing is that as sykedoc says the majority are all replacements games where he is forced to have a read already. Search is down now but if you can check his newbie where he IS definitely more liberal with his voting. He was town.

Fair enough. My tactics have changed and I realize theres no solid way to convince you of this with my gaps in playing but at the very least you are now using less selective methods in your case. If theres something that I can do to help you believe this, shoot.

[tubby216]

A hearty HELLLOOOOO to xRECKONERx

[Datadanne]

...Sup?...

[LlamaFluff]

Overreacting is not a scumtell. Saying someone is overreacting is a scumtell.

Scumbags are more likely to overreact to a nonexistent pressure because they are paranoid of being supected/lynched. So yeah, its a scumtell.

No. Its a subjective tell, therefore a really bad tell as no one will apply it the same way. Town doesnt want to be lynched, scum doesnt want to be lynched, everyone will defend themselves as much as possible as completely as possible.

The "youll be sah sorry when you lynch mah!!"" is another thing that bothers me and that I think is more likely to come from scum than from a real power role. Do you agree?

No, it bothers me but its more or less a null tell.

[RayFrost]

Overdefensiveness, overreacting, etc, are null tells (without meta).

They are subject to the personality of the individual.

[Fishythefish]

@Anon: why did you only look at that game in constructing your case? If you didn't, how do skye's other games fit with your case?

The serial killer game was the last one he played and the first I found when doing my research. I did read some other games, the thing is that as sykedoc says the majority are all replacements games where he is forced to have a read already. Search is down now but if you can check his newbie where he IS definitely more liberal with his voting. He was town.

.......

Llama, can you concise your case on docpotter? What are the scumtells you are using to suspect him? What do you think of the bandwagon formed against him?

Thanks. Why did you address this question only to Llama?

Sorry for the recent lack of activity. I hope to do a bit of catching up tomorrow morning.

[My Milked Eek]

Hi reck! Hi Starbuck!

[SaintKerrigan]

Hi, xReck! Hi, Starbuck! Welcome to the game!

[xRECKONERx]

So, I'm pulling a double shift today, but I might have time to catch up a bit during my mid-day break. We'll see.

[Pomegranate]

@Mod, and everyone: I will be V/LA

every

week from Friday afternoon until Saturday evening.

[LlamaFluff]

Llama, can you concise your case on docpotter? What are the scumtells you are using to suspect him? What do you think of the bandwagon formed against him?

Yes I can, also any bandwagon is a good bandwagon. Information is invaluable. Too many new players seem to not understand how good it is to just have some wierd blatant wagon.

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There is some really hard fishing for supplemental or related roles two the language PRs. He wants to know if they have a QT (amazingly important from where im standing), and he wants to know what the interaction between ani and the PRs.

All of this does nothing for the town, and reveals if the roles that will have a hard time communicating are worth keeping around or not. The pushing for information on someone who does NOT have a PR is even more scummy. If a player is asking about PRs, and finds them, regardless of the reason its safe to assume that they know what to do with the information. Later in the game when it becomes reasonable, it will be answered. Untill then, it shoulnt be answered.

Later he goes into wierdness over the SD wagon. Process goes SD vote as "something about the wagon is scummy", to backing off because he wants to take another look as it might of been the wagon, not SD thats scummy (hey you can add fence-sitting with that). Reitterating that he voted early and says pressure from me amungs others made him back off. To defending the SD vote because "llama voted him at one point".

Wagons ho!

[RayFrost]

unvote, vote: docpotter