Mafia 913: Wickedestjr's Mafia - Game Over

[Vivi57]

Agar: this is my first time playing mafia

zhero: jack's claim doesn't make me think he's cop or any other role for that matter. It looks like nothing was happening in the game and he made that statement to make the game to start moving (and it worked).

The votes on buttonman seem to have happened much faster than any other set of votes. Do mafia typically attack a person and vote like that?

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: Confirm out of V/LA.

Why specifically them and not ConfidAnon and I? Both of us also had votes on you when you said this.

Because unlike what Strangercoug and TheButtonMen would have you believe, I am NOT targeting everyone who is voting for me and calling them all scum. That's statistically impossible. I can deal with you (Zhero) and Confidanon voting for me for thinking I am scummy. It's Cougs & TBM's false logic & super push for my lynch that's scummy.

I feel insulted here. I can't tell the difference between ConfidAnon's case on you and mine, and you're basically calling my aggressiveness scummy, which makes zero sense.

It's like Jack said, I believe TBM is becoming frustrated because he's not being successful at lynching the easy target (me).

Regardless of our alignments, if you wouldn't OMGUS and/or WIFOM every two or three sentences, we would not find you an easy target.

And I would be able to do an actual reread of this thread and do some actual scumhunting for once if I wasn't so damn busy trying to deflect suspicions of me. While people believe me to be scum, it would be damn near impossible for my arguments to hold any ground whatsoever because it would be viewed as just "scum trying to redirect suspicions to somebody else". I'd rather focus my attention on proving my innocence, so that I could be free to scumhunt without worrying about my arguments being manipulated by the scum and taken out of context.

A good Mafia player will put scumhunting first and defending second, if I am not mistaken.

[TheButtonmen]

Why specifically them and not ConfidAnon and I? Both of us also had votes on you when you said this.

And I would be able to do an actual reread of this thread and do some actual scumhunting for once if I wasn't so damn busy trying to deflect suspicions of me. While people believe me to be scum, it would be damn near impossible for my arguments to hold any ground whatsoever because it would be viewed as just "scum trying to redirect suspicions to somebody else". I'd rather focus my attention on proving my innocence, so that I could be free to scumhunt without worrying about my arguments being manipulated by the scum and taken out of context.

That's not how it works, if your town you want to scum hunt not defend yourself. Also how would you "prove" your innocence and why do you feel that you can't present your arguments now?

@Agar

you planning on posting some actual content anytime soon? If you think I'm scum make a case, try to conivnce people to vote for me, don't just sit back.

@Vivi57;

This is your first mafia game? You should have joined the Newb Queue and played through a game there first, good way to learn the ropes.

[AGar]

Case?

Stifling conversation (I've outlined this)

Trying to distract town with infighting (I've mentioned this)

General posting of "fluff" and BS crap rather than proactive posting. You're last post is a wonderful example - I've yet to see you bring anything to the table not relating to TQO.

[The Quintastic One]

I've already pointed out that it's beyond irritating at this point that Jack, Agar and Myself have all pretty much presented our cases over and over and over again and yet each day TBM or Strangercoug asks one of us to elaborate our reasons, yet again.

At this point it's blatant stalling. Since they can't convince the town into a majority lynch so they're just going to keep posting the same questions and getting the same answers until somebody wises up and sees the pattern and gets rid of them.

[ConfidAnon]

TQO - You are getting more annoying by the post.

Going off of gut and how he quickly shifted to TQO, and then quickly shifted back off of TQO.

Vote: Zang

[Wickedestjr]

Votecount 5:

TheButtonmen - (3) - AGar, The Quintastic One, Jack
The Quintastic One – (2) – TheButtonmen, StrangerCoug
Jack - (1) – Zang
Sir Cyanide - (1) - Vivi57
Vivi57 - (1) - Zhero
Zang - (1) - ConfidAnon

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: February 11th

[PaltryExcuse]

@TQO - Stop waving the 'I'm so townie' flag. Your rolefishing and suspicions based on "Those who attack me must be scum" are not pro-town. Constantly saying "I must be town" is not convincing in the slightest.

For example:

Yes, I understand now that the cop investigating scum would be alot more effective than clearing me as town. But still, if I am THIS confident that I am innocent, I find it very suspect that other people are still as confident as they are that I am scummy.

Every player is going to say that they're confident that they are town. Why does suspecting you show scummy behaviour?

@AGar - I like the case on Button. Especially his response of wanting a case on him when I've already requested one and you've responded.

@ConfidAnon - Zang sees FOS's TQO on January 22nd. Believes TQO on January 24th. Also...

Tqo-I did believe your points and I don't know that Jack is scum, the only people that know who is scum is scum. And can you elaborate more on how I am being manipulated?

This has been bothering me for a while. Why do you believe TQO?

[PaltryExcuse]

EBWOP: Zang

sees

FOS's...

Also,

Vote: Zang

[SIR CYANIDE]

TQO - You are getting more annoying by the post.

Going off of gut and how he quickly shifted to TQO, and then quickly shifted back off of TQO.

Vote: Zang

IMO this is a pretty silly reason, are you implying a scum link (he votes TQO to make it seem as if they are unconnected but then quickly unvotes because he doesn't feel comfortable/doesn't want to bus)?

[PaltryExcuse]

TQO - You are getting more annoying by the post.

Going off of gut and how he quickly shifted to TQO, and then quickly shifted back off of TQO.

Vote: Zang

IMO this is a pretty silly reason, are you implying a scum link (he votes TQO to make it seem as if they are unconnected but then quickly unvotes because he doesn't feel comfortable/doesn't want to bus)?

It seems as though Zang doesn't believe his own accusations of who is or isn't scum. He easily believes those he FOS's. You have to take into consideration what the people whom you suspect say because you might be wrong... however, to believe them with no reason for the change in thought? Scary stuff.

[Zang]

My Suscpicouns change as do Many peoples, how is that scummy?

And

unvote

[Jack]

Zang is starting to look pretty bad.

[Zang]

Ok, I am really confused, first can you explain why I am looking bad?

[StrangerCoug]

I've already pointed out that it's beyond irritating at this point that Jack, Agar and Myself have all pretty much presented our cases over and over and over again and yet each day TBM or Strangercoug asks one of us to elaborate our reasons, yet again.

At this point it's blatant stalling. Since they can't convince the town into a majority lynch so they're just going to keep posting the same questions and getting the same answers until somebody wises up and sees the pattern and gets rid of them.

Are we pushing for your lynch, or are we stalling the game? It's kind of hard to be doing both without a deadline as, in theory, anybody's lynch is viable at this point. Yours, mine, Jack's, you name him (or her—I"d like not to be sexist). I'm not above quoting every single post by you that I find scummy if that's what I have to do to get the game moving.

I do agree that Zang is getting a bit worrisome, but I'd have to do a quick check on him just to double check.

[PaltryExcuse]

My Suscpicouns change as do Many peoples, how is that scummy?

And

unvote

I never said your opinions can't change on people. I no longer find Jack to be the scummiest and removed my vote from him. However, 2 days after FOS'ing someone you

believe

them. What makes it worse is that it is past tense, you

did believe

him meaning it was even less than 2 days of posts which allowed you to change your mind so completely. Believing someone who has repeatedly said in his votes that he is town is basically believing they are town, no? This just seems to imply you were very easily swayed because there weren't foundations of suspicion to begin with.

Another thing:

I'm not voting because I have 3 suspects, I want to narrow it down farther before I vote, only 2 of my 3 suspects can be scum if that. I want to have more solid information before I vote.

Why could only 2 of your 3 suspects be scum at that point? (TQO, Sir Cyanide, Jack)

More so, I asked these questions of you:

@Zang: Is it just the perceived cop claim that has you thinking Jack is scummy? Or is there something else to change your mind from Sir Cyanide being less of a detriment than Jack (the original reason you upgraded your FoS to a vote)?

And you answered:

Paltryexcuse-I was going to unvote cyanide anyway, I originally voted for him because he was no use to the town whether he is or isn't mafia but he has disproven me of that so I was going to unvote him.

What is the answer to the first question? As in, is it just the perceived cop claim that makes Jack scummy for you?

You also missed the question of 'why you believe TQO?'

Finally I have no idea what this is in reference to or why you said it:

Well, it is possible that we have another killing role

It just seems the more I focus on your posts, the more I don't like.

[AGar]

Ok, I am really confused, first can you explain why I am looking bad?

Can you read the thread?

You earn a FoS because I'm much more confident in the TB read, but vote-hopping and weak cases followed by skimming/blatant not reading is a tinge scummy and something to keep an eye on.

[The Quintastic One]

I've already pointed out that it's beyond irritating at this point that Jack, Agar and Myself have all pretty much presented our cases over and over and over again and yet each day TBM or Strangercoug asks one of us to elaborate our reasons, yet again.

At this point it's blatant stalling. Since they can't convince the town into a majority lynch so they're just going to keep posting the same questions and getting the same answers until somebody wises up and sees the pattern and gets rid of them.

Are we pushing for your lynch, or are we stalling the game? It's kind of hard to be doing both without a deadline as, in theory, anybody's lynch is viable at this point. Yours, mine, Jack's, you name him (or her—I"d like not to be sexist). I'm not above quoting every single post by you that I find scummy if that's what I have to do to get the game moving.

I do agree that Zang is getting a bit worrisome, but I'd have to do a quick check on him just to double check.

The rules in the beginning of the first page said there was a 3 week deadline, so I have no idea where you get there is no deadline. And you're stalling the game because you're "getting the game moving" but your only posting fluff.

I mean, look at this post I just quoted from you. What did you accomplish here? What was the point? What activity did it continue to generate beyond "I agree with the active posters that Zang is getting worrisome".

You didn't offer your own conclusions you just said "I'll get back to this later" because you probably need to find time to twist some of Zang's posts around and move onto the next big target that's coming around. It's like you've gone "Well, I couldn't get a lynch out of Jack, I couldn't get a lynch out of TQO, I guess we'll go after Zang now until we get something to stick". You just keep on migrating to the next easy target hoping that something will stick, well I won't be following this one. I've got my vote and unless something drastic happens, it's not changing.

[StrangerCoug]

I've already pointed out that it's beyond irritating at this point that Jack, Agar and Myself have all pretty much presented our cases over and over and over again and yet each day TBM or Strangercoug asks one of us to elaborate our reasons, yet again.

At this point it's blatant stalling. Since they can't convince the town into a majority lynch so they're just going to keep posting the same questions and getting the same answers until somebody wises up and sees the pattern and gets rid of them.

Are we pushing for your lynch, or are we stalling the game? It's kind of hard to be doing both without a deadline as, in theory, anybody's lynch is viable at this point. Yours, mine, Jack's, you name him (or her—I"d like not to be sexist). I'm not above quoting every single post by you that I find scummy if that's what I have to do to get the game moving.

I do agree that Zang is getting a bit worrisome, but I'd have to do a quick check on him just to double check.

The rules in the beginning of the first page said there was a 3 week deadline, so I have no idea where you get there is no deadline.

Oops—I think you win a point here. We don't have to worry about it just yet, though.

And you're stalling the game because you're "getting the game moving" but your only posting fluff.

Way to dismiss my legitimate case on you.

I mean, look at this post I just quoted from you. What did you accomplish here? What was the point? What activity did it continue to generate beyond "I agree with the active posters that Zang is getting worrisome".

I concede that I am pushing your lynch, which is not scummy, but refute that I am stalling, which would be scummy. If you were to take a step back and look at the thread, you'd see what I'm talking about.

You didn't offer your own conclusions you just said "I'll get back to this later" because you probably need to find time to twist some of Zang's posts around and move onto the next big target that's coming around. It's like you've gone "Well, I couldn't get a lynch out of Jack, I couldn't get a lynch out of TQO, I guess we'll go after Zang now until we get something to stick". You just keep on migrating to the next easy target hoping that something will stick, well I won't be following this one. I've got my vote and unless something drastic happens, it's not changing.

I'm getting you lynched today if I can. End of that discussion.

As for Zang, most of my read on him is hearsay and I need to do an ISO on him to confirm it. (Jack honestly makes me worrisome too, but I'm starting to get a VI read on him, and I don't think he's scum if you are town.)

[SIR CYANIDE]

You didn't offer your own conclusions you just said "I'll get back to this later" because you probably need to find time to twist some of Zang's posts around and move onto the next big target that's coming around. It's like you've gone "Well, I couldn't get a lynch out of Jack, I couldn't get a lynch out of TQO, I guess we'll go after Zang now until we get something to stick". You just keep on migrating to the next easy target hoping that something will stick, well I won't be following this one.

Your reasoning is truly baffling. I am so lucky to be in a game with you so I can see your divine Sherlock Holmes-skills in action.

VOTE: The Quintastic One

[Wickedestjr]

Votecount 6:

TheButtonmen - (3) - AGar, The Quintastic One, Jack
The Quintastic One – (3) – TheButtonmen, StrangerCoug, Sir Cyanide
Zang - (2) - ConfidAnon, PaltryExcuse
Sir Cyanide - (1) - Vivi57
Vivi57 - (1) - Zhero

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: February 11th

ConfidAnon has requested replacement. Looking for one now.

[Zang]

I'm not voting because I have 3 suspects, I want to narrow it down farther before I vote, only 2 of my 3 suspects can be scum if that. I want to have more solid information before I vote.

sorry about that, Like I said this is my first non newbie game. I realized this soon after posting it and I would of said something about it if I knew that it would be big deal later in the game.

What is the answer to the first question? As in, is it just the perceived cop claim that makes Jack scummy for you?

Basically

Well, it is possible that we have another killing role

I already explained this to TQO, but TQO said that Jack would be very scummy if he was still alive tommorow and someone else died but I was explainig to him that if the mafia targets Jack who the doctor protects and if someone else had a killing role then they might target someone besides Jack. This would leave Jack still alive and someone else dead but he wouldn't be scum.

can you read the thread?

yes I can and I was asking Jack specifically

[PaltryExcuse]

And why do you believe TQO, Zang?

[Zang]

sorry, didn't see that part of the post but here is my explaination-

1. It was a fos not a vote
2. it wasn't me believing him, it was Me agreeing with him
3. I disagreed with him on one thing but I agreed with him on something else.
4. If you are refering to my post 213, I said that his logic makes sence (to me anyway) but I didn't believe him, I even said that it might be a scum trick.

[PaltryExcuse]

Actually, it was this one I was referring to:

Paltryexcuse-I was going to unvote cyanide anyway, I originally voted for him because he was no use to the town whether he is or isn't mafia but he has disproven me of that so I was going to unvote him.

Tqo-I did believe your points and I don't know that Jack is scum, the only people that know who is scum is scum. And can you elaborate more on how I am being manipulated?

You believed TQO's points after FOSing him. What was there to believe and why?