Mafia 108 - Mafia With The Quickness - over!

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Vote Count #1 of Day 5

Not voting (3) <-~ SaintKerrigan, Ellibereth, Maemuki

With 3 alive, 2 votes will do it.

Note:

an asterisk by a player's name indicates said player would be lynched if Day were to end right this moment without a lynch majority.

Wednesday, January 27th at 6 P.M. EST

[SaintKerrigan]

Sorry guys, I have some personal/family issues and I'm not sure how active I will be today/tomorrow.
Anyway, First of all Kerri: I don't remember any early lurking from me. I only got prodded once this game. and that was D3 IIRC, so yeah.
Second, from the start of the game to now, I have had a town read on Mae. I also maintain my point that Zach's gambit yesterday could have been to save either one of you because if Yos's plan were followed, whichever one of you is scum is screwed.
The main point I see for Kerri right now is that Kerri-Zach would have meant a lot of heavy bussing throughout the game.
Kerri: You may have answered this already before, but meh. Why were you willing to support the wagon to lynch on Net D1 when there was close to 0 chance of a claim? I understand that you thought he was scum yaddy yaddy yaddy, but doing the whole thing probably knowing that Net wouldn't get on in time disturbs me.
I have to go around now and won't be back until later tonight.
tl;dr : I still suspect Kerri > Mae.

Why should the fact that he wasn't going to be around to claim influence my decision to want to lynch him? I thought he was scum, and if you look at me it was pretty clear that I thought that for a greater majority of the day. I did find Zach suspicious, but I found Netlava even more so. Thus, when the opportunity presented itself to actually lynch Netlava, I took it.

I have to wonder, why couldn't you apply the same philosophy to Mae? She was also on the Netlava lynch.

Also, what makes you think I'm scummy, Elli? I wouldn't mind seeing a post that details what exactly it is that makes you think I'm scummy. Same goes for why you think Mae is town.

[Ellibereth]

Mae was A) on Net for most of D1 and B) Not there during the crap that happened at D1.
I don't want to argue theory with you here, but unless in extreme circumstances, I would never support lynching someone without giving them a chance to claim. Whether Net was town or scum, the End of D1 wagon switch was wrong. Period.
gut and gut. And I liked Mae's tone for most of the game.

[SaintKerrigan]

Well now, how am I supposed to argue against gut? It would help if you gave me a little more to go on than that, Elli.

I guess you and I differ on theory. I lynch people because I think they're scum. Whether they claim or not makes little relative difference to me.

What do you mean Mae wasn't there at the end of Day 1? Or were you referring to some other part of the day by "the crap"?

What do you think of Mae dropping her suspicion on Haylen from Day 3 on Day 4? Or her dodging my questions regarding that?

[Ellibereth]

Mae wasn't there for final bandwagon flop.
I need check the Haylen dropping suspicion thing, but I dodge questions all the time so I don't find it to be that much of a tell but I'll go check this situation.

And more theory, but, you're not suppose to argue against gut.

[SaintKerrigan]

And more theory, but, you're not suppose to argue against gut.

Then how am I supposed to convince you that I'm not scum?

Btw, Mae

was

there for the final bandwagon flop. You should go back and reread the end of Day 1. She was definitely there.

[Ellibereth]

And more theory, but, you're not suppose to argue against gut.

Then how am I supposed to convince you that I'm not scum?

Btw, Mae

was

there for the final bandwagon flop. You should go back and reread the end of Day 1. She was definitely there.

*clearly didn't reread yet*
K, you're right. That changes things some.
Still need to check on that Haylen question thing you mentioned earlier.

[Maemuki]

I already told you guys: I dropped my suspicion of Hayl because I thought "Wait a damn minute, she doesn't play as this as scum, does she?"

Btw, Mae was there for the final bandwagon flop. You should go back and reread the end of Day 1. She was definitely there.

Eeeeh. So were you. I was on the Net wagon before it was cool, but you weren't. Yeah. Not the best attack you could do on me, SK.

[SaintKerrigan]

I already told you guys: I dropped my suspicion of Hayl because I thought "Wait a damn minute, she doesn't play as this as scum, does she?"

Please quote where you said that, because I didn't see it.

Btw, Mae was there for the final bandwagon flop. You should go back and reread the end of Day 1. She was definitely there.

Eeeeh. So were you. I was on the Net wagon before it was cool, but you weren't. Yeah. Not the best attack you could do on me, SK.

I was reminding Elli that you were on the Netlava wagon as well as me. The reason I got off the Netlava wagon was because I didn't think he'd be lynched. When the subject of alternate wagons came up, I suggested lynching Net instead of Neto or Zach (way to go, me).

[Ellibereth]

Mae, did you or did you not believe in the Neto-Gayle scum pair D1.

[Maemuki]

Mae, did you or did you not believe in the Neto-Gayle scum pair D1.

Yes, yes I did, but I believed more on the chances of Netty scum than Neto scum.

To your Hayl question - I suddently remebered "She wouldn't do this as town, would she." I'm sorry Haylie, but Zach was right on one thing - you do play differently as town than as scum.

Here's your answer, SK.

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Mae: WTF? The quote you just gave does not give an answer why you dropped your suspicion of Haylen. In fact, it does the opposite. "She wouldn't do this as town"? This is either a horrible typo or gosh-awful retconning.

And it took until Day 5 (after Haylen was dead) to coax this answer out of you. I'm getting less comfortable with you, Mae.

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Mae: WTF? The quote you just gave does not give an answer why you dropped your suspicion of Haylen. In fact, it does the opposite. "She wouldn't do this as town"? This is either a horrible typo or gosh-awful retconning.

And it took until Day 5 (after Haylen was dead) to coax this answer out of you. I'm getting less comfortable with you, Mae.

[SaintKerrigan]

I blame Mafiascum for the doublepost.

[Maemuki]

And it took until Day 5 (after Haylen was dead) to coax this answer out of you. I'm getting less comfortable with you, Mae.

Weren't you less confortable with me like two days ago?

Anyway, it does. Find any logical explanation for Haylen to be scum. Find any logical explanation for her to be town. If you don't find anything on both fields, she's town. I thought I did, but I was wrong. How many times have you played with her, SK? One, two?

And I started being less suspicious of her on D4, actually. She wasn't dead then, was she?

[SaintKerrigan]

Anyway, it does. Find any logical explanation for Haylen to be scum. Find any logical explanation for her to be town. If you don't find anything on both fields, she's town. I thought I did, but I was wrong. How many times have you played with her, SK? One, two?

Wait, if you can't find logical explanations for someone to be scum

or

town, doesn't that make them neutral?

This is my second game with Haylen as a player, the first being ongoing.

And I started being less suspicious of her on D4, actually. She wasn't dead then, was she?

You never stated as such until Day 5. When I tried to quiz you on what happened to your stance on Haylen on Day 4, you ignored, then dodged the question.

[Ellibereth]

Logical explanations = overrated
Since I'm too lazy to go back and check, Mae, what did you think about Zach before yesterday? I remember you said you had a town read on him somewhere.
Kerri, could you also do me a favor and link me to the question dodge? >.<

[Maemuki]

This is my second game with Haylen as a player, the first being ongoing.

Nope, not enough Haylen for you methinks.

Wait, if you can't find logical explanations for someone to be scum or town, doesn't that make them neutral?

If that person has avoided attention for the entire game, no.

You never stated as such until Day 5. When I tried to quiz you on what happened to your stance on Haylen on Day 4, you ignored, then dodged the question.

I did? Shit. *headdesk* Well, if you haven't played with Hayl, it's kinda hard to explain. And by kinda I mean very.

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Elli:

@ Mae: What happened to your burning suspicion of Haylen? Why do you want to lynch me?

Listen, is that deflection I hear~?

Because you gave no reasons to lynch Bogre that's why. Stopping discussion is the only reason I see for a hammer on someone you don't find very scummy.

[Maemuki]

I doubt SaintK and Zach are scum together, considering how SaintK's been attacking Zach all game

*coughbussingcough* Hey I've seen it happen. Whatever~ You don't have actual reasons to suspect me, now do you?

I did have a town read on Zach. The only thing that I have where I think that he's scum is the post above.

I look so bad right now.

[SaintKerrigan]

Nope, not enough Haylen for you methinks.

I know.

I did have a town read on Zach. The only thing that I have where I think that he's scum is the post above.

Why did you think he was scum at that point if you had a town read on him the whole game?

[Maemuki]

Nope, not enough Haylen for you methinks.

I know. :(

I did have a town read on Zach. The only thing that I have where I think that he's scum is the post above.

Why did you think he was scum at that point if you had a town read on him the whole game?

You bussing him, duh.

And if you haven't played with Haylen for at least 4 times and you don't constantly talk to her, you're not going to understand her.

[Ellibereth]

Mae, you weren't here yesterday when Zach's claim happened, right?
What do you think it's motivation and what did you think about it in general.

[Ellibereth]

And I just realized we completely forgot to massclaim.
I'm a vanilla.

[Maemuki]

Mae, you weren't here yesterday when Zach's claim happened, right?
What do you think it's motivation and what did you think about it in general.

No, I wasn't.

Well, a tracker, a watcher, a supersaint, a vig and a roleblocker seemed a bit too much. I thought he was a scum watcher, or a scum goon (remember kids, fake-claiming watcher is very easy). I thought that I could sleep, and that I could think in the morning. Guess what, Zach's dead.

Vanilla here too.