Open 188 - Tweed Mafia - Over!

[StrangerCoug]

On StrangerCoug

Wouldn't it be better to think of the possible motives for yabbaguy's death first?

This is a strange question for me coming from StrangerCoug because he's not one to speculate about NKs, and I just wanted to note it because through Day 1 reading because it's not a typical action for him and I've gotten a pro-town read off him. It just doesn't mesh.

We could not come to a consensus for who should be lynched on Day 1. I was trying to open up a path of discussion to see if that was better than what I perceived would happen—just keep going from where Day 1 discussion left off. Apparently, that didn't have the effect I wanted.

[DTMaster]

Ok some cleaning up.

1. I've cleaned up the front page. Links given. Vote counts updated. Apologize.

2. nhammen has been prodded. It has been 4 days since his last post.

3. Vote count:

XScorpion (0) -
Lowell (3) - XScorpion, Nikanor, Strangercoug,
StrangerCoug (0) -
MrSuave (1) - KittyMo
Nikanor (0) -
Starbuck(0)
nhammen (0) -
KittyMo (1) - Lowell
Zachrulez (0) -


Not Voting (0)
MrSuave, Starbuck, nhammen, Zachrulez,

Per usual I might make an error in the vote.

Deadline is still set Feburary 3. With 9 Alive it takes 5 to Lynch.

[nhammen]

@kitty- when I consider the scummiest actions the bandwagon on me after farside's death, then unfortunately OMGUS is what I'm left with.

What other scummy actions have you noticed?

Suave's "softclaim" doesn't mean anything to me. VT is the default, we're all implicity claiming VT by not claiming otherwise. I actually find 583 otherwise townish, though.

Why are you saying this? What reason is there at all to say this?

584 is as off has kitty's other posts. The tone of her response to me makes me think she

knows

I'm town.

How so?

On nhammen

Jumps in the game and automatically names Zach, X and MrSuave as scummiest.

Why? Do you have any cases on them?

At this point nhammen is still very quiet.

I believe I was asked this already, and I answered already. My answers are in the first 10 posts of my ISO. There wasn't very much good discussion from Day 1, so this was what I had to work with.

On nhammen

Wow, this guy is barely ever around.

But his defense of Farside worries me...

So, about farside: I agree that he has been somewhat scummy, but I don't agree with some of the arguments presented here. I have seen too many quickhammers recently to believe that claiming at L-1 is scummy in itself. I can see some of his play as Cop. As for the rest of his play, I'm going to ISO him, post my conclusions, and then get some sleep. Maybe I should start coming to MS in the mornings instead of right before bed...

What about this worries you, other than that it is a defense of a player that flipped scum? Or is that it?

Also, is that everything from your read of Day 2?

[XScorpion]

But I do have a question for you, Kitty left a pretty blatant list at the end of the day that yabba was not on. Do you think this implicates her at all?

The one with the bottom part of her scumlist? I don't see why her thinking he is town makes her scum...seems a stretch to me.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: I'm not going to declare V/LA, but I messed up the computer in my room and now it won't connect to the Internet. I'll be using the other two computers in the house in the meantime.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: I was able to solve the Internet problem.

I love quick fixes

[nhammen]

But I do have a question for you, Kitty left a pretty blatant list at the end of the day that yabba was not on. Do you think this implicates her at all?

The one with the bottom part of her scumlist? I don't see why her thinking he is town makes her scum...seems a stretch to me.

I agree with this. I don't know of anyone that did not think yabba was town... Where were you going with this Starbuck?

[Starbuck]

I was going with if you go back to that post she says that from the top is her least scummiest and the bottom is the most scummiest. So even though she said she was trying to not leave a list of people for scum to NK, I believe she did this anyways.

[XScorpion]

It's her list of least scummiest...out of the people she thinks is scum. Everyone whose name wasn't there she thought was town.

[Starbuck]

Everyone whose name wasn't there she thought was town.

Exactly! So while she was saying she didn't want to give the scum a list of the most town in her eyes, she did that exact thing when she made that scumlist by not listing those she felt are town.

That's my point.

[MrSuave]

interesting... after Lowell votes kitty, Zach turns on Kitty, even though right before I stated my thoughts, Zach was totally agreeing with what Kitty was saying. tell me Zach, why the change in heart? was Lowell's vote really that compelling to you?

[Zachrulez]

interesting... after Lowell votes kitty, Zach turns on Kitty, even though right before I stated my thoughts, Zach was totally agreeing with what Kitty was saying. tell me Zach, why the change in heart? was Lowell's vote really that compelling to you?

What was Kitty saying that I was agreeing with?

Regardless of any of the things we may agree on, her vote on you seems distracting. She's pursuing your lynch while seeming to be of the opinion that Lowell is the better lynch. Does nothing about that look just a bit off to you?

[Nikanor]

ITT wall of text kills my motivation.

[StrangerCoug]

ITT wall of text kills my motivation.

Yet you post some in ISO 35 and 38.

[Zachrulez]

Starbuck, who's your top suspect? I've looked through your catch up posts, but it's not clear to me who you suspect most.

[Starbuck]

I'm still working on my Day 3 catch up, and with that you will have my vote.

[KittyMo]

What was Kitty saying that I was agreeing with?

Regardless of any of the things we may agree on, her vote on you seems distracting. She's pursuing your lynch while seeming to be of the opinion that Lowell is the better lynch. Does nothing about that look just a bit off to you?

Basically, here's the boat I'm in - Lowell seems pretty scummy, but I have this sinking feeling I'm missing something here, about who the scum is. I am starting to doubt whether I really believe a wagon pushed this hard could have a scum flip. That is main thing making me uncomfortable here.

I don't think it's reasonable to say that I'm being "distracting" by getting a player that has posted next to no content to read up and give their thoughts on the game. I also don't think it's reasonable to call that a scummy action. I don't think anything about my behavior or anything I said shows that I was looking to get MrSuave lynched. Absolutely not - my purpose was to call him out for a ridiculous lack of content thus far. I don't understand what about that is "distracting." What meaningful discussion that was taking place today was I distracting from?

I've made some mistakes this game, but getting MrSuave to post content is not one of them. Actually, my vote has pretty much served its purpose.

Unvote

pending reread. Please keep up the activity, though, Suave. [/b]

[nhammen]

Lowell, where are you? I want participation from you! This almost looks like you are trying to lurk so as to get the spotlight off of you.

On nhammen

Wow, this guy is barely ever around.

But his defense of Farside worries me...

So, about farside: I agree that he has been somewhat scummy, but I don't agree with some of the arguments presented here. I have seen too many quickhammers recently to believe that claiming at L-1 is scummy in itself. I can see some of his play as Cop. As for the rest of his play, I'm going to ISO him, post my conclusions, and then get some sleep. Maybe I should start coming to MS in the mornings instead of right before bed...

What about this worries you, other than that it is a defense of a player that flipped scum? Or is that it?

Never answered this. Also, why did you mention how I'm never around when Suave lurked through Day 2 just as bad? Is there a reason you are ignoring her?

[nhammen]

Lowell seems pretty scummy, but I have this sinking feeling I'm missing something here, about who the scum is. I am starting to doubt whether I really believe a wagon pushed this hard could have a scum flip. That is main thing making me uncomfortable here.

Same. I find Lowell very scummy, and have been tempted to L-1 him every time I have logged in since he got those votes on him. But where is the scum's counter-wagon? Is this a bus? But all 3 on Lowell were also on farside. So, why would scum bus both of their buddies? Doesn't make sense. If Lowell is scum, there are very few possible scumpartners.

[Nikanor]

I don't think anything about my behavior or anything I said shows that I was looking to get MrSuave lynched.

Except that you voted for him to be lynched. That's what a vote is - a vote to have that person killed.

I know you all knew this already, but we have a lazy, lazy mod. I was sitting next to him today at the university, and I watched him type out the words 'Lowell has been prodded,' then I watched him delete them because he was too lazy to actually go and send Lowell the pm. I almost slapped him.

@Mod: Can you prod Lowell please?

There. Now you HAVE to stop being lazy.

[KittyMo]

I don't think anything about my behavior or anything I said shows that I was looking to get MrSuave lynched.

Except that you voted for him to be lynched. That's what a vote is - a vote to have that person killed.

There's this thing called a pressure vote. I take it you think it's not a good reason for voting for someone?

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: V/LA until further notice—should only be for a few days at max. ISP has been giving me problems since early yesterday.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: May already be out of V/LA—I'll confirm tomorrow to make sure I'm still not on this time bomb.

[Lowell]

Still here. Am happy to answer whatever is asked, and will get back to my hunting in a bit.

[MrSuave]

so you're saying that your vote was mearly a pressure vote? o___o