Mafia 913: Wickedestjr's Mafia - Game Over

[TheButtonmen]

Ok...follow up question to those who answered. If you are innocent, why would you want the cop to waste an investigation on you? Trying to prove you aren't scared makes sense for the mafia...

Cop investigating town isn't a waste at all, your logic is quite flawed. And people a confirmed town means your arguments carry much more weight and forces the mafia to waste kills on VT's rather then power role hunting.

Also these fourms appear to be powered by 2 hamsters in a broken wheel.

[TheButtonmen]

Vote: this newb forum which fucks up my posting

But if we lynch one of the hamsters powering this fourm it gets 50% worse!

[TheButtonmen]

The Quintastic One

Let's not discuss sanities and try to get people to speculate on roles quite yet eh?

[TheButtonmen]

My guess for the role setup:

1 godfather
2 goon

1 cop
1 doctor
1 roleblocker

Whut? It's closed setup....

[TheButtonmen]

Everytime Quin posts, I find him sounding more scummy.

[TheButtonmen]

@Zang; How do you feel Cyn is hurting town and what do you think of Quins posts?

[TheButtonmen]

Oh I see it's not that Quin is scummy, he's just super new.

[TheButtonmen]

I see it this way. ASSUMING Jack is the cop, he's either gonna be dead by night phase because Scum won't risk letting the cop have a free turn to investigate, or a doctors gonna protect him and we don't have to worry about a night kill for night 1.

Stop speculating like that now, it doesn't help town at all.

So if Jack survives the night, and somebody else takes the kill, I will heavily suspect Jack as being scum.

Logic here is super flawed and full of WIFOM

@Jack:

What do you think of the reactions to your gambit?

[TheButtonmen]

@Jack, You should vote Quin, Iso him and read his posts revolving around your gambit.

[TheButtonmen]

Can we stop trying to figure out who the cop is?

@Zhero

; What do you think of the spate between TQO, Jack and SIR_Cynaide?

And B) If Jack is lynched and he IS the town cop, that's 3 games in a row I've been in where the town cop was lynched on day 1. lol. I don't think I could live down that shame.

Don't lie or exagerate, a common rule used on this site is Lynch all Liars, only in one of your previous games did you lynch a cop D1, the fact that you overexagerated it to that degree makes it look like an appeal to emotion.

[TheButtonmen]

@Agar :Golf Clap:, Next time with your free time I would recommend reading the thread before making a catch up post. There was no claim and yes rolefishing is bad for town.

I can at least hint at my role and hope that you guys who are more experienced will understand what I am and hopefully unvote.

Okay, if you are town you just basically made yourself a NK target by saying you have a power role, good job.

I've said I was town, I gave my reasons as to why I'm obvtown, and every post I've made has made sense to me in MY mind without sounding scummy to ME. So I can't help it if people are going to misconstrue my posts to the point where they think I'm scummy despite me 100% assuring you, I am town.

Because you 100% assuring us your town make us believe you why? Your playing shoddily, your rolefishing and keep trying to tell us how town you are. If you are town then scumhunt, help the town don't just defend yourself by accusing everyone suscpious of you.

[TheButtonmen]

Mod:

I voted TQO, please edit the Vote Count

[TheButtonmen]

EBYOP: Nevermind I apperntly just typed The Quintastic One in bold (Post #51, Page 3)

Sorry about that,

Vote: The Quintastic One

[TheButtonmen]

Every time he is questioned he just goes on about how Obvtown he is and his scum hunting is just voting for people who don't agree with how town he is. Now that he is realizing people aren't taking his word for it he has decided to claim to be a power role.

[TheButtonmen]

You know, I think I believe TQO.

Bad logic is bad no matter how often or loudly it's said.

[TheButtonmen]

Please note in the above post all he does is A) repeat things he has already said, B) Claim for god only knows what reason and C) Appeal to emotion.

He's playing antitown as all hell and he is refusing to scumhunt, instead all he does is place OMGUS (and he admits its OMGUS as well) votes.

I'm quite happy with where my vote is.

[TheButtonmen]

Why specifically them and not ConfidAnon and I? Both of us also had votes on you when you said this.

And I would be able to do an actual reread of this thread and do some actual scumhunting for once if I wasn't so damn busy trying to deflect suspicions of me. While people believe me to be scum, it would be damn near impossible for my arguments to hold any ground whatsoever because it would be viewed as just "scum trying to redirect suspicions to somebody else". I'd rather focus my attention on proving my innocence, so that I could be free to scumhunt without worrying about my arguments being manipulated by the scum and taken out of context.

That's not how it works, if your town you want to scum hunt not defend yourself. Also how would you "prove" your innocence and why do you feel that you can't present your arguments now?

@Agar

you planning on posting some actual content anytime soon? If you think I'm scum make a case, try to conivnce people to vote for me, don't just sit back.

@Vivi57;

This is your first mafia game? You should have joined the Newb Queue and played through a game there first, good way to learn the ropes.

[TheButtonmen]

sorry, didn't see that part of the post but here is my explaination-

1. It was a fos not a vote
2. it wasn't me believing him, it was Me agreeing with him
3. I disagreed with him on one thing but I agreed with him on something else.
4. If you are refering to my post 213, I said that his logic makes sence (to me anyway) but I didn't believe him, I even said that it might be a scum trick.

Huh, your going out of your way to be push and similtaniously distance yourself from the wagon, yet the only reason for that would be already knowing the outcome.

Tldr: This posts seems really scummy.

[TheButtonmen]

This logic applies more to my top two suspects, as I outlined in my last post. They went from Jack, to Me, to now Zang. But even if it didn't isn't the POINT of Day 1 to accuse as many people of their scumminess as possible and see who cracks? We've got nothing to go off of for Day 1, and obviously claiming Cop or in my case, claiming Mason only makes people look even more scummy.

A) You claim I've gone after Jack, you then Zang. Quotes or it didn't happen. (Aka I'm saying your making stuff up)

B) You just lied, You said earlier your power was to send someone who you didn't know the alignment of PM's, now your claiming Mason, to start off with if your a mason you know the other persons role and secondly they use a QT not PM's. Why is it every time you get accused you claim a steadly incresing power role.?

[TheButtonmen]

Can we please lynch thebuttonmen? He makes careless accusations and ignores all the replies to them in favor of pursuing an easy target (TQO).

Careless accusations? And whats wrong with tyring to get someone I feel is scum lynched? He's lied, changed his story, role fished and refuses to do anything accept defend himself until we all agree he is town.

[TheButtonmen]

TQO Changing his story / claim when pressured, I'm a fan of the lynch all liars plan.

[TheButtonmen]

Except I've been commenting on other people as well, but question for the people who don't want to vote TQO because hes obvnewb, how long will that free pass last?

@Fat_Tony:

Thanks for replacing in!

sorry, didn't see that part of the post but here is my explaination-

1. It was a fos not a vote
2. it wasn't me believing him, it was Me agreeing with him
3. I disagreed with him on one thing but I agreed with him on something else.
4. If you are refering to my post 213, I said that his logic makes sence (to me anyway) but I didn't believe him, I even said that it might be a scum trick.

Huh, your going out of your way to be push and similtaniously distance yourself from the wagon, yet the only reason for that would be already knowing the outcome.

@ButtonMan: I'm with Zang on this one. What you're trying to say isn't exactly clear.

What I meant is Zang goes out of his way to avoid saying anything definitive, he is continually trying to support wagons while trying to appear to not be pushing them. Avoiding commitment and not wanting to be on wagons is scummy as only scum knows how people will flip day 1.

[TheButtonmen]

I don't think anyone's ever said that TBM was insta-Mafia just because he went after my lynch.

Actually your reason for acusing me was that I was going for the easy lynch (TQO), so yes you did say I was Mafia for trying to get you lynched.

And I'm still not convinced you yourself are scum, but you defending TBM with weak logic just zeros in more suspicion that you might be panicked scum who doesn't want to have to go through the game by himself. lol.

Once agian disagreeing with you is a scumtell I see.

@Sir_C / Zhero:

No claim not a PR.

@Cruelty:

Why do you feel we need to lynch now and why are you trying to distance yourself from my wagon when you put me at L-1?

[TheButtonmen]

Something about TheButtonmen's pending lynch seems false, probably that I don't see a real case on him.

What feels off to me is Cruelties random jumping on board, ViVi's random passionate defense, and TBM's lackadaisical L-1 posting.

Would you prefer panic, capital letters, appeals to emotion and lots of punctiation?

I'm not going to stop playing or change my mind because people are bandwagoning me, I still stand by the fact that there was too much role fishing, TQO has changed their story multiple times and that TQO lied. Thus I'm going to keep pushing for their lynch.

[TheButtonmen]

Also what about Vivi defense do you find overly passionate? Hell what part of it do you find passoniate at all?

[TheButtonmen]

@AGar:

Chainsaw refrence? Also in-game ISO's work, you can't profile ISO though.

@Jack:

Hurray for ignoring everything I said and just making a random assertion! Do you even have a reason for voting me other then all the cool kids are? Your only stated reason is that I was trying to force an easy lynch which is a quite ironic statment considering I was leading in votes when you made it and switched to me.

[TheButtonmen]

@Jack:

In response to your list:
1) Which post makes you think I'm angry/frustrated/upset?
2) You seem to be working under the assumption that I'm not allowed to pay attention to more then one thing at a time. I'm not going to stop pointing out things I find scummy simply because I have a stronger scum read on someone else.
3) The case agianst me is I'm trying to get TQO railroaded, now your saying I'm ignoring that accusation and going after TQO. That makes zero sense, should I ignore a scumread because some people disagree with me?

[TheButtonmen]

1. You first claimed a power role (For no reason) the second people started suspecting you.

2. You then said you could message someone who's role you didn't know.

3. Then you upgraded the claim to mason

4. You then back tracked saying;

My role doesn't directly say "Mason",

it's actually a role I've never heard about in the Wiki.

5. You claimed you were a Neighbor

This makes you a liar, Neighbor is in the Wiki, in fact there's a link to it right from the mason page you claim to have looked at.

[TheButtonmen]

You didn't check hard enough? You mean to tell me when you used the wiki trying to find out about your role, you somehow never actually just searched for your role name?

Bullcookies.

[TheButtonmen]

Zhang is my 2nd scummiest read, after that I don't have any real scummy reads, AGar and Jack posts at times strike me as odd, but nothing really pops out.

[TheButtonmen]

Zhang is my 2nd scummiest read, after that I don't have any real scummy reads, AGar and Jack posts at times strike me as odd, but nothing really pops out.

I'm looking for information out of you Buttonmen. The lack of new ideas (the bickering with TQO is just a re-hash of old arguments) is not inciting confidence at all. Give something, and help the town you claim to be on. At this point, Tony's PBPA is all I'm waiting for before I hammer.

What do you feel makes me scummy? And do you belive TQO's story that when he was searching the wiki he never used the search bar?

[TheButtonmen]

A) You didn't start building a case until you were attacked.
B) Your play reminds me of my own scum play.
C) You ignored a post and gave a weak defense.
D) You seem hesitant to name anyone outside of TQO & Zang as possible scum.

A) False
B) Okay? Not sure how to respond to that.
C) You say I ignored a post, which means you have a specfic one in mind?
D) You think its scummy that I only find two people scummy D1? That doesn't make a lick of sense.

[TheButtonmen]

@Cruelity:

You hate D1? Weird, D1 before PR's come into effect I find quite interesting, espcially the so called RVS. But aside from disagreements over the fun factor of D1, do you want to end D1 out of boredom with it or because you feel we got enough information out of the wagon already for D2?

@SirC:

It isn't logic fail, a statment of belief on who he thinks is scummy based on interactions. Logic fail would be more along the lines of trying to order lynchs because of it.

[TheButtonmen]

-argues with Jack about cop investigating town

False, in fact I was the one who said confirmed town is good

-votes tqo with no reasoning

False, I voted him because of his reaction to pressure

-questions jacks setup

No crap I questioned his setup, he pulled a setup out of thin air in a closed match.

-accuses tqo of sounding scummy everytime he posts

Thats cause he does

-calls tqo "super new"

He is super new

-Says that tqo has flawed logic

His logic is flawed

-tells Jack to vote tqo

I'm noticing a trend here, thses aren't scum tells

-accuses tqo of exajerrating

It's not an exageration, he flat out lied

-criticizes tqo for claiming a power role

Why do you think TQO claimed when he did?

-says that everytime tqo is questioned he says how obvtown he Is

...Go read TQO's posts He does say that everytime.

-Says that tqo had bad logic (again)

This is a scum tell?

-questions tqo

OH NOES!?!!

-says that I am scum with logic that I do not understand

OMGUS?

-Calls tqo a liar

He did lie

-accuses tqo of changing his story

Hence me calling him a liar

-explains his logic for why he said I was scummy

Go OMGUS!

-admits that he was going for the easy lynch (tqo)

False

-once again he sais that tqo has changed his story and lied multiple times

Because he did

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-criticizes Jack

Why so defensive of Jack?

-once again calls tqo a liar

Thats what I tend to call people who lie

-misspells my name

...Now thats just rediculous

-questions paltry

God forbid we question people!

-defends himself against paltry Y

our scum tells need work

-sais that cruelty hates day one

And here we have proof Zang didn't read the thread

he is obssesed with lynching tqo and is desserving of my vote so

vote:thebuttonmen

and I think that is hammer so goodbye

So glad to see I was right that Zang's scum.

[TheButtonmen]

Also sad to say, Not scum.

But it should be clear that Zang needs a rope tommorow or a bullet tonight, also the irony of Zang considering my misspelling his name as a scum tell in that post is hilarious.

[TheButtonmen]

I never said it was a list of scumtells or an analysis I just said that it was tbm in ISO.it was like what tqo did a few pages ago with the whole thread but I just did tbm.

Why would you bother making that list then if your hammering me? It seems your just trying to make some flimsy reason so at to apper to have a reason for the hammer.

[TheButtonmen]

Paltry Pre-Hammer:

At this point, Tony's PBPA is all I'm waiting for before I hammer.

Paltry Post-Hammer:

Blah blah blah

This is not analysis. This is a summary. This is why you should have been lynched instead.

Don't let him distance himself from my lynch that easily. He went from just waiting for people to post before hammering me, to saying we should have lynched someone else.

[TheButtonmen]

@TQO:

Town wins and loses as a whole, you need to keep this in mind.

@Jazzy:

Thanks for replacing in like you did, you played a good game from what I saw in my glance through.

@Vivi:

Nice use of the active lurk!