Mini 897 - OpenSource Mafia - Game over!!

[Pomegranate]

I didn't get that at first, either. I think you're supposed to read the question as a rhetorical question and with a really incredulous tone. Then it all makes sense.

I'd like Pom to clarify.

Yes, it was meant to be read with a lot of sarcasm/skepticism. If you check the context, it was right after I quoted a post from you (UK), and I was agreeing with you. Iec got the tone I meant for the question right.

[SocioPath]

Also Phate and his massclaim obsession only makes me think doing such would be a terrible idea regarding his role.

Maybe he is just a lyncher, but...

We need a massclaim.

Actually, I've changed my mind. Let's massclaim tomorrow.

(After she's done so, please answer my question.)

Once she does, I will. She pointed out a few reasons why massclaiming early can be a bad idea. I didn't ask for a few reasons why massclaiming early can be a bad idea.

Actually, I won't lead you on. I have no intention of answering your question, as the answer is role-related.

I would still like Pom's answer, though.

Okay.

You guys should massclaim tomorrow. No one except snowbunny convert. If there are any protective roles, etc, they should target snowbunny. Good luck.

Make damn sure you massclaim. This setup seems easily breakable.

Trust Glork. I'm pretty sure he's town, and he seems savvier than the rest of you.

Go town.

We're massclaiming today. I adamantly refuse to lynch anyone before we massclaim.

During the massclaim, claim as much of the following as the mod will allow you to: Rolename, traits and abilities of your role, flavor, affiliation, targets, results, and anything that's happened to you. If there's something else relevant I've forgotten, claim that too. Everyone should go ahead and send claims into the mod now to check to see if they're alright, so we don't have to wait for mod permission every time.

Phate, who did you target, and did you convert them?

I'll reveal this during the massclaim, obviously.

Also, what do you expect to gain from a massclaim?

I expect to break the setup.

Do you trust Glork? He was pro-massclaim, pro-town, and now dead. What does that tell you?

I'm not going to argue with the mod, but yes, I'm still in favor of a massclaim.

Okay, I changed my mind.

I am going to argue with the mod.

Still in favor of a massclaim.

Iecerint, I will wait one day for a massclaim.

And a strange obsession with Glork, in the poor reading comprehension kind of way, too.
In fact, multiple reading errors. With the dead's alignments, with how kills were done. Very hasty conclusions.
And yet still trying to forcefully lead the town.

[Iecerint]

Not crazy about the one-shot revelation. Not crazy about putting off the Miller claim either, come to think of it, especially given that Fishy had already claimed.

SSK, have you ever been a Miller in a completed game on the site?

[MafiaSSK]

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Vote: Almaster

I still don't like that request to be converted Day 1, and his unusual sureness that he wouldn't be converted to scum. Given that, and Glork's claim of having a similar line in his role PM that very well may have been hinting to the scumteam or an attempt to buy his buddy a night, he seems like a very good lynch right now.

Read up to this point and have a question which may or may not be asked after this post. If it is please ignore this: But why switch to Alma when you think I'm fake?

[Iecerint]

Yes, it was meant to be read with a lot of sarcasm/skepticism. If you check the context, it was right after I quoted a post from you (UK), and I was agreeing with you. Iec got the tone I meant for the question right.

That's nice. Answer my question, too, please.

[Iecerint]

For the record, I actually don't think it's unlikely that we're both town, that SSK is sanity challenged and Kitten was blocked.

[Iecerint]

(Is a double negative.)

[MafiaSSK]

Maybe I'm biased, but I don't think that Glork's interaction and 'buddying' with me is more likely to be scum to scum than it is scum to town. Scum side with people they know are town all the time, and Glork-scum would have plenty of motive to side with me-town like this. It makes him look good not pushing the mislynch if I were lynched and I flipped town, and on the off-chance he would die first, his interaction with me could help incriminate me and help my lynch along.

I agree with you if you and SSK are both town (e.g. SSK is an insane daycop, and UK was roleblocked), but I disagree with you if we're operating under the assumption that one of you is scum. Not that that's an impossibility.

For the record, I actually don't think it's unlikely that we're both town, that SSK is sanity challenged and Kitten was blocked.

Alright, ignore my last post

[Vaya]

SSK, where did you crumb that you were a miller?

[MafiaSSK]

It looked like he thought you implied 'gotcha scum', and he responded with 'oh well when I use my role I'll go guilty thats why'.

It sounded like he was trying to explain your result on him because he thought your 'no result' was a guilty at the time.

How does no result=guilty in any scenario?

[Iecerint]

SSK, have you ever been a Miller in a completed game on the site?

Also, please answer this.

[MafiaSSK]

Not crazy about the one-shot revelation. Not crazy about putting off the Miller claim either, come to think of it, especially given that Fishy had already claimed.

SSK, have you ever been a Miller in a completed game on the site?

I don't believe so.

[MafiaSSK]

SSK, where did you crumb that you were a miller?

By me being 99% sure of my sanity. Meh, I guess it was a bad crumb.

[MafiaSSK]

SSK, have you ever been a Miller in a completed game on the site?

Also, please answer this.

It takes me time to read posts.

[Iecerint]

Yeah, yeah. Pome ignored me earlier. I felt ignored.

[UncertainKitten]

SSK, where did you crumb that you were a miller?

By me being 99% sure of my sanity. Meh, I guess it was a bad crumb.

Huh...that actually makes a fair bit of sense..

Argh, so confused!

[SlySly]

Excuse me, Mr. Mod. I've beaten one-player Super Mario without using cheats, and I utterly fail to see how that's a relevant metaphor for a massclaim.

Excuse me Mr. Question My Competence, I was referring to your stated expectation to break this game, not the massclaim.

I know I will obtain satisfaction if I break your setup.

You speak of a satisfaction you will never feel. I obtained quite a satisfaction after you questioned my competence and then failed to realize I missed a vote of yours that could have resulted in a lynch and watched as you foolishly announced defeat when you weren't even the day's lynch. Your multiple insinuations of poor setup/easily broken setup have been idiotic arrogance. Nothing you have suggested would come anywhere close to breaking this game.

As for the spirit of the game, I don't think I'm obligated to play in a certain way because of your opinion of some intangible, relative 'spirit of the game'; rather, I think you're obligated to create that through role mechanics and flavor.

I feel I have put mechanics in that give any faction in this game the tools for a fair chance to win. The proper "spirit" would be to try and discover how to best use those mechanics to achieve a win. I have attempted to live up to my obligation of creating the proper mechanics in this game.

Besides, what the hell flavor am I supposed to take away from administering a Windows network?

See General Rule #7

[Fishythefish]

Quite frankly, I'm lost in this game. I've been thinking too much about what the hell's going on, and not enough about who is scum. I'm drowning in IIOA.

There is an argument for massclaim. I very much it would break the setup, but it's possible we might figure out what the hell is going on.

However, we already know several roles, and there's no clue that we are anywhere near working anything out.

Tonight, if I get time, I'll go and read the whole game and work out who the hell the scum are.

[Phate]

Mod: Replace me please.

Replacement search has begun.

[SlySly]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 6

SocioPath

- 0 -

UncertainKitten

- 0 -

Pomegranate

- 0 -

Vaya

- 2 - Fishythefish, MafiaSSK

MafiaSSK

- 1 - SocioPath

Snow_Bunny

- 0 -

tubby216

- 0 -

AlmasterGM

- 3 - Vaya, tubby216, Iecerint

Fishythefish

- 0 -

Iecerint

- 0 -

Players not voting: Pomegranate, Snow_Bunny, AlmasterGM, UncertainKitten

AlmasterGM has been prodded.

tubby216 now replaces Phate. Thanks tubby!!

[tubby216]

/confirming/replacing in will read up and postthoughts soonest

[Pomegranate]

Hi tubby!

[AlmasterGM]

Prod received. Did not realize the game was back in the dayphase. I will read up shortly, but until I do, two things...

1) Claim: Miller. Could not claim on Day 1 under penalty of modkill.

2) Hi tubby!

[UncertainKitten]

Didn't you sorta claim miller anyway? I don't like it.

[AlmasterGM]

Ok a few things.

Re: Almaster is scum.

There is still no logic behind this move. I never claimed scum. I had a setup discussion about the possibility of being moved away from WinBlows. I am a townie and I win with the town. I don't see why this is hard to understand given nightkill flavor. Clearly, being aligned with WinBlows does not make you scum - there is only guilty and innocent. What I also couldn't mention before was how my miller status played into this - I thought that if I was targeted by S_B, that would go away.

If you think it's sketch that I didn't claim miller until now, then fine, there's nothing I can do about that other than say look at the setup of this game and tell me there isn't a ton of crazy shit going on. I'm claiming what I cam

Suspects

SSK is scum. "Breadcrumbing is enough." No, it is not, that is dumb and there is nothing protown about it. I have the miller condition in my role PM, and it says that I cannot claim until D2 under penalty of modkill. It is beyond me why you would not claim that the second you got the chance. I think you are piggybacking on the fact that you know certain townies have that opportunity.

2) I like a Vaya lynch. I liked it yesterday and I like it even more today with the cop result .

3) I STILL like a Pom lynch. My reasons for disliking her play yesterday were stated yesterday. Today, we have some IIoA and nothing else. Yumscum for breakfast.

Other

I do not think we should massclaim YET. The complexity of the setup is to our advantage right now - the scum have to hide their roles amongst very powerful and intricate protown roles. If we lay down our hand right now, they will know just how to hide. If we wait until D3-4, we can go back and catch people whose claims do not fit with the flow and/or have made crappy fakeclaims.