R-SURVIVAL -- Game Over

[semioldguy]

Actually,

UnGAT; GAT: yabbaguy

I'd rather see charter inside the safe zone with a couple others. I have a town feeling of yabbaguy and putting him in the safezone renders him unable to shoot.

[Anon]

I'd like Anon to have a shot at chamber. I think it's scummy lurking on both their parts, and I think chamber should die anyway.

First, I have something called real life that was a pain on the ass the last weeks. I should be able to post more now. See my other games for reference.

Second, Id rather shot someone I find suspicious instead of someone I think its likely town for interactions with flipped scum cobalt, as I explained in my previous posts. Do you have another reason other than lurking for pushing chamber?

Here is a list for better organization:

i like
4) chamber
8) charter
12) semioldguy

meh
1) Ortolan
6) yabbaguy

i dont like
7) Bogre
10) DragonsofSummer
15) HackerHuck

Vote: DragonofSummer.

Kill: HackerHuck

[charter]

chamber is probtown, he shouldn't be shot.

I think that our last scum/s is between Dragons, Bogre, HH, Anon.

Need to see what HH flips and think about who to GAT/vote.

[Anon]

Wy do you think I am scum, charter?

[charter]

Lack of protownness.

[HackerHuck]

You've got to be kidding me. What a waste of a kill.

FWIW, I would not go about just killing those who have yet to kill. I'd be willing to bet that any scum with daykill ability have already used it. Out of that group, DoS is the obvious one, but I'm also not feeling that great about Charter. It seems like he got his kill out of the way and is now trying to lead the town around. You're probably at the point where it's important to discount the value of the confirmation by day-kill and just look at who is scummy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

HackerHuck, VT, DK'd Day 3

[semioldguy]

@Mod: Can we get prods on chamber and ortolan?

@charter
Where does your pro-town read of chamber come from? The town feeling I have in his direction is that I don't think multiple scum would be likely to have a day kill for reasons explained yesterday. DragonsofSummer and Anon are both much more scummy. But as far as chamber's play is concerned there isn't a whole lot to go on.

@Anon
Why did you shoot HackerHuck? You hadn't mentioned him at all prior to shooting him.

[Anon]

Lack of protownness.

Fair enough. Now that I have actual time, Im definitely going to post more.

@Anon
Why did you shoot HackerHuck? You hadn't mentioned him at all prior to shooting him.

It doesnt matter anymore but since you are asking, I isolated him, cobalt and nacho and found two things that bothered me specifically:

I don't think it needs to be done publicly unless we've really got doubts about Nachomamma. I also don't understand the recent suspicion on Nachomamma. Has someone put together anything better than Ortolan's case and Ellibereth's gut?

Defense of nachoscum without suspecting the attackers.

Elli's just playing devil's advocate, and I don't even get the case on HH.

That is paid back in this quote of nacho.

Then from a general perspective, process of elimination, hated his active lurking, his only vote on the game that is a blatant follow of yabbaguy for a weak reason and finally the very likely assumption that elibereth was killed because hacker was a top suspect of him.

[Anon]

Isolation Bogre

The I wanted to vig Cobalt, NOOOOO is still there.

I thought the moral was you decided pbpas are a scumtell and decided to waste a lynch for it?

Nah. I thought you doing anything productive like a pbpa was out of form for you, but charter shot first.

Was glad I was right, though.

As Eli pointed out, what was the point of talking to a dead guy that had already flipped scum? What is the town motivation for doing this?

He votes for Nachoscum in iso 12, though, which gives him some town points.

Bogre, who is scum and why?

Isolation DragonofSummer

DoS doesnt even mention cobalt or nacho in his isos, with the exception of an unrelated comment of nacho.

DOS, who is scum and why?

[ortolan]

I think you guys are missing the obvious choice of Bogre. I did a few iso reads...yesterday, I think it was, and he stuck out, especially his exchange with Cobalt as he was going down.

[ortolan]

DoS also shouldn't be allowed to lurk after "misusing" his vig

[chamber]

Been distracted latley. I've glanced over the portion of the game sinse I last read it (I missed a night without knowing it lol) And I need some time to think about it. Just letting it be known that I'm back.

[charter]

I think chamber is town because he shot the person that Cobalt just went out on a limb to vote. It would have made like 100000 times more sense for him to have killed malspc or another lurker. It wouldn't have made Cobalt look as bad as he did after his pbpa on Parama.

Plus, scum killing a lurker first thing day one doesn't seem like that great of use of their day kill if they had one. I'm betting they'd try and save it until they thought they were about to die.

Yeah, I'd shed no tears if Bogre died.

Something I just thought of, might be worth thinking about, is getting those that haven't shot to shoot others that haven't shot. That way we eliminate this 'scum might have shots' paranoia. Just a thought, more from me later.

[yabbaguy]

Dragon's kill makes so little sense to me- and is therefore ridiculously opportunistic.

Vote: DragonsofSummer

I think vote count is reset, so I'm the first vote counted.

[semioldguy]

No opinions on Gatekeeper from anyone?

If votecount is reset the

Vote: DragonsofSummer

[charter]

Something I just thought of, might be worth thinking about, is getting those that haven't shot to shoot others that haven't shot. That way we eliminate this 'scum might have shots' paranoia. Just a thought, more from me later.

Something else, this also eliminates any scum that can't shoot. Any comments on this idea?

As far as GAT, I don't really care. I guess I have a slight preference to GAT someone we're about to kill.

[ortolan]

charter is certainly town, chamber is pretty much certainly town also

If Anon is scum then semioldguy isn't

Bogre could still be scum.
Anon could still be scum.
semioldguy might in fact be scum

looking at yabbaguy in iso, apart from semioldguy whose scum status is still unclear (slightly leaning town), he's done nothing but attack townies all game.

DOS, SEMI and BOGRE: would any of you have a problem with me shooting yabbaguy?

[semioldguy]

Something I just thought of, might be worth thinking about, is getting those that haven't shot to shoot others that haven't shot. That way we eliminate this 'scum might have shots' paranoia. Just a thought, more from me later.

Something else, this also eliminates any scum that can't shoot. Any comments on this idea?

It'd leave us with five, possibly four, left in the game, all with no shots left. It'd also eliminate any potential town roles that don't have a day kill. Aside from killing scum who can't shoot, another plus would be that if there is remaining scum who haven't shot who can, then they would use their shot in this plan and thus not be able to hold it until lylo. If we intend to shoot someone I think we should ask for a claim before shooting at this point, in case any information can be shared and not lost. I think the upsides of the plan outweigh the downsides.

@ortolan
I'd prefer to shoot bogre if we are going through with charter's plan.

[yabbaguy]

Bogre came up with a very strange hypothesis on Nacho- but I'm inclined to call it legitimate scumhunting instead of bussing. Dragons needs to explain why he made that kill, and why dram was scummy.

@orto: Bogre and semi are possible scum according to you... yet you're asking them for advice on whether or not you'd shoot me? Explain that. Also why DoS? Why nobody else?

[Bogre]

charter is certainly town, chamber is pretty much certainly town also

If Anon is scum then semioldguy isn't

DOS, SEMI and BOGRE: would any of you have a problem with me shooting yabbaguy?

No.

[Bogre]

Also,

I think Anon is more scummy than yabbaguy.

[yabbaguy]

I'm really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really unsure why I'm being called scum or a good kill target right now.

Ortolan- I thought I was right... turned out to be town, but I thought I had the right path. The lurkerhunting was a mistake, but in a game this dysfunctional, I don't have much to go on at this point.

[yabbaguy]

This game's out of gas...

Here's everyone in the game again, with an asterisk by those who have shot.

Code: Select all

Anon*
Bogre
chamber*
charter*
Dragons of Summer*
ortolan
semioldguy
yabbaguy

One thing that occurs to me though is that we probably want to get rid of the people who have NOT shot, which I cringe at saying considering I have not shot either. However, if Mafia make it to LyLo, and one happens to have a bullet, BLAM-O, they just take out any town and they win.

Now HackerHuck suggests that scum may have used their kill(s) already, but I'm just calling it baseless speculation, and I bet someone may have been astute enough to realize that saving a bullet for LyLo is a game-clinching scenario. I'm with charter here, I don't want this to undermine our game.

That said, ortolan has been ridiculously all over the map, first suspecting me, then immediately asking me for advice and asking to "hold his hand", and then threatening to shoot me, and I think should go down in history as one of the biggest "buddying up" tactics I've ever seen in my life, in addition to taking advice from people who he suspects as scum.

I call shenanigans. That and ortolan's promise to kill someone is 15 days old... so I'm starting to suspect he's not going to follow through with it all.

Unvote

One thing that's stopping me from shooting is the possibility that I or ortolan is in the safezone. Apparently I have to know that I'm in before I can come out, which is upsetting if I'll never figure that out. That or me being the GAT, but ortolan as a scumbuddy may be in the zone, too, which would make the scenario fail.

Vote: ortolan

for now.

[charter]

I still think ortolan is town. Someone just shoot and end this. It'd be amazing if Anon shot Bogre or the other way around.