Mafia 108 - Mafia With The Quickness - over!

[Zachrulez]

You mean this, Zach?

I think SaintKerrigan is scum.

He spent a lot of time saying that Neto's bandwagon was unjustified, and a day 1 all over the place with wishy washy voting, most of which where he couldn't decide whether he wanted to vote for me, Haylen, or Netlava.

That's not called wishy-washy voting. It's called not being certain who exactly is scum, so I move my vote to who I think is suspicious. Isn't that something we're supposed to do as town? Oh wait, why am I asking you? Your vote hardly moved at all once it got stuck on Netopalis. And on top of that, you didn't really state good reasons for voting Neto until pressured into doing so.

Just because you didn't understand my vote (Or apparently want to understand it.) doesn't mean it wasn't justified.

Day two consisted of him turning against Neto to an extent, saying that the pr flips made his claim less likely to be true, while conveniently never actually putting his vote on Netopolis and exploring other suspects. Maybe he didn't expect Netopolis to be lynched that quickly?

I never actually said Neto was scum. I just said I was doubting his claim. What you're stating that I was doing and what I actually did are two entirely different things. Also, I did too explore other suspects. What are you talking about?

So if Neto is not a hider then he's... (I'll let you finish that thought.)

Also this

I don't like Zach's subtle attack on arguably the most pro-town player in this game (Maemuki). At least the most pro-town player on the Netlava wagon (well, besides me, but I have to say that ).

is standing out like a sore thumb to me, especially considering SK's current position on Mae. (What changed your read on her btw?)

I'm pretty sure I already explained that my read on Mae changed because of the recent flips and Mae's reaction (or seeming lack thereof) to the Netopalis controversy.

You must not have explained it well, because I don't understand the change of read.

Oh and of course rolefishing...

Pbbt. Whether I was intentionally doing that or not is debatable.

What WERE you doing then?

One other thing. I'm pretty sure I've seen every single one of Zach's arguments spoken previously by other people. He's not been active, he typically only responds when called for (or posts to avoid the prod), and he's parroting other arguments.

Hmm...

Vote: Zachrulez.

I'm not forgetting you today, Zach.

Ohhh look, accusations and no citations! Awesome!

Your vote is still OMGUS.

[SaintKerrigan]

<snip> or he think's im part of a seperate scum faction if he's scum.

Wait, what?

@ Mae: Why are you so driven and obsessed with getting me to vote Hayl?

[Maemuki]

@ Mae: Why are you so driven and obsessed with getting me to vote Hayl?

Ahm, you didn't understand me. You say that Zach commited a scumtell, but when Haylen does it, you ignore it. Why?

[Haylen]

Would town Zach buddy me? No. Would Scum Zach buddy me if Im town? Yes. Would Scum Zach buddy me if he thought I was a member of an opposing scum faction? Probably not. Why? There wouldn't really be much point in it, as I see it.

In my eyes, Scum buddy town, scum don't buddy scum or who they think may be scum.

But seeing as Zach doesn't think I'm scum and hasn't expressed that he thinks I am, this suggests he's town.

[Haylen]

Why I think Zach would buddy me as scum. I'm easily buddiable, I've fallen into the trap a lot on MS.

[Zachrulez]

Not that you'll believe me, but I was busy on late Thursday and most of Friday. Today I finally had time to ISO people, and I remembered you, Zach. You've not exactly been the paragon of towniness.

I was pretty busy at work on both Thursday and Friday. But hey, I'm lying and it's scummy lurking for me, but it's perfectly all right for you to argue that huh?

[SaintKerrigan]

Just because you didn't understand my vote (Or apparently want to understand it.) doesn't mean it wasn't justified.

I guess this depends on what other people believe. In my opinion, it's scummy. What do other people think?

So if Neto is not a hider then he's... (I'll let you finish that thought.)

Oh, come on. I said I

doubted

Neto's claim, not that I

disbelieved

it. You're twisting my words there, Zach. That's not nice.

You must not have explained it well, because I don't understand the change of read.

Again, I changed on Mae because Neto flipped scum, and I didn't recall seeing a lot of interaction one way or the other between Mae and Neto. Comprende?

What WERE you doing then?

Asking Haylen a question about why she didn't want us to force her to claim. I wasn't aware that it had rolefishing implications. Take it or leave it.

Ohhh look, accusations and no citations! Awesome!

I'll give you this. I incorrectly remembered how things went down. I apologize for misrepresenting you there.

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Mae: Why are you so driven and obsessed with getting me to vote Hayl?

Ahm, you didn't understand me. You say that Zach commited a scumtell, but when Haylen does it, you ignore it. Why?

Refresh me on the scumtell you're referring to.

And you've been trying to get me to vote Hayl for quite a while now. Please, answer the question.

[Maemuki]

@ Mae: Why are you so driven and obsessed with getting me to vote Hayl?

Ahm, you didn't understand me. You say that Zach commited a scumtell, but when Haylen does it, you ignore it. Why?

Refresh me on the scumtell you're referring to.

And you've been trying to get me to vote Hayl for quite a while now. Please, answer the question.

Parroting. Bussing Neto, and one more that-I-really-can't-remember.

Seriously.

[Incognito]

Vote Count #5 of Day 3

Haylen (1) <-~ Maemuki
Bogre (3) <-~ Yosarian2, Haylen, Glork
*SaintKerrigan (3) <-~ Zachrulez, Ellibereth, Bogre
Zachrulez (1) <-~ SaintKerrigan

With 8 alive, 5 votes will do it.

Note:

an asterisk by a player's name indicates said player would be lynched if Day were to end right this moment without a lynch majority.

Monday, January 18th at 5 P.M. EST

[SaintKerrigan]

Parroting. Bussing Neto, and one more that-I-really-can't-remember.

Where was Haylen parroting? She could've bussed Neto, true. Please try to remember what the other scumtell was. I see no reason right now to vote Haylen over Zach. That may change when I ISO her again.

Seriously.

Yes, seriously. Why are you going after me specifically to vote Haylen?

[Maemuki]

Where was Haylen parroting? She could've bussed Neto, true. Please try to remember what the other scumtell was. I see no reason right now to vote Haylen over Zach. That may change when I ISO her again.

Pretty much all game SK, pretty much all game. And I will, I'm sure, I just wish my memory wasn't so bad...

Yes, seriously. Why are you going after me specifically to vote Haylen?

You're not getting it, are you? You're ignoring Hayl's scumtells, that are identical to Zach's, and going after Zach instead. I mean, why?

[Bogre]

@Elli

I'm vanilla.

[Zachrulez]

Just because you didn't understand my vote (Or apparently want to understand it.) doesn't mean it wasn't justified.

I guess this depends on what other people believe. In my opinion, it's scummy. What do other people think?

Appealing to majority?

So if Neto is not a hider then he's... (I'll let you finish that thought.)

Oh, come on. I said I

doubted

Neto's claim, not that I

disbelieved

it. You're twisting my words there, Zach. That's not nice.

Feels like you're trying to have it both ways here. The question still stands btw.

You must not have explained it well, because I don't understand the change of read.

Again, I changed on Mae because Neto flipped scum, and I didn't recall seeing a lot of interaction one way or the other between Mae and Neto. Comprende?

In games that are large enough, players tend to escape my notice quite often if they're not on my scumdar. I'm not exactly convinced that it really means anything. With how much scrutiny Netopolis had, I would think that scum would go out of their way to react to him.

What WERE you doing then?

Asking Haylen a question about why she didn't want us to force her to claim. I wasn't aware that it had rolefishing implications. Take it or leave it.

Are you aware that the answer to your question should be pretty obvious without asking it? Pushing the matter and questioning in this instance will only inevitably lead to more info being gained regarding her role.

[SaintKerrigan]

You're not getting it, are you? You're ignoring Hayl's scumtells, that are identical to Zach's, and going after Zach instead. I mean, why?

Like I said, I have

not yet

seen any reason to vote Haylen over Zach. I have a mind. I may change it if I see fit to do so. I'm going to read Haylen again in ISO. Please, be patient.

@ Bogre: Any other comments besides a claim?

[Maemuki]

Like I said, I have

not yet

seen any reason to vote Haylen over Zach. I have a mind. I may change it if I see fit to do so. I'm going to read Haylen again in ISO. Please, be patient.

*must resist doing game-related pun that only I will get*

[SaintKerrigan]

Appealing to majority?

Feels like you're trying to have it both ways here. The question still stands btw.

What question? The more-or-less rhetorical question that anyone could guess the answer to? Fine. If Neto isn't a hider, then he's either a lying townie or lying scum, the latter possibility being more likely.

In games that are large enough, players tend to escape my notice quite often if they're not on my scumdar. I'm not exactly convinced that it really means anything. With how much scrutiny Netopolis had, I would think that scum would go out of their way to react to him.

Then we have a difference of opinion.

Are you aware that the answer to your question should be pretty obvious without asking it? Pushing the matter and questioning in this instance will only inevitably lead to more info being gained regarding her role.

I've already been informed of how my question looks. I wasn't aware of it at the time, I am aware of it now, and I'll try my best not to ask such questions again. Okay?

[Bogre]

What question? The more-or-less rhetorical question that anyone could guess the answer to? Fine. If Neto isn't a hider, then he's either a lying townie or lying scum, the latter possibility being more likely.

Why would a townie lie?

[Haylen]

Heh, i lie more as town than i do as scum. It's quite a feat i think...

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Haylen: What do you think about Yosarian2?

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Bogre: I was being hypothetical.

[SaintKerrigan]

(sorry for the triple post) Another question for Haylen: Why are you voting for Bogre versus Maemuki?

[SaintKerrigan]

(Argh, quadruple post, but I have questions I want answered.)

Maemuki, please cite some examples of where Haylen is parroting other players.

[Ellibereth]

Unvote, Vote Bogre

[Ellibereth]

L-1.
Kerri's posts today have given me much better vibes. Gets moved to the number 2 spot.