A belated happy anniversary, Jazzmyn.
This is starting to frustrate me. Way too many people are keeping a low profile and going with the flow.
Iecerint, I owe you and Mordy answers to your questions. When I wrote that paragraph on you, ABR, and MordyS, I was mainly going off gut impressions and didn't have time to go in-depth into just which quotes in particular bugged me. To be honest, I'm still trying to untangle my thoughts on you both. I'd like to devote a huge post to thoroughly rereading that exchange sometime within the next couple of days. But I'm tired, so tonight I'll write a post that requires (*cough*) a bit less cogitation.
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DragonsofSummer wrote:@mina: Sorry, missed your question. Its ridiculous to fos someone for lack of activity when you were doing the same and then some. Also lurking isn't a scum tell its a null tell, so its ridiculous for that as well. I like how you mischaracterize my response as being overly defensive by the way.
I'm trying and failing to restrain my inner snarky bitch right now. This is a
terrible
defence for many reasons:
1) Funny that you said, "Sorry, missed your question," and then ignored every single one of my questions. To refresh everyone's memory, here was the post I had to pressure you to answer:
Mina wrote:Your activity on-site has nothing to do with it. I singled out both you and Jazzmyn because you'd both posted in this game, after things had got serious, but mostly ignored all the serious discussion. You made an unproductive random vote long after the RVS was over, so clearly you were reading the thread, but you didn't contribute anything. People who try to stall serious discussion with fluffy posts always ring an alarm bell. But to be honest, the FOS was mainly pressure to get you two to speak up--and apparently it worked, because it got a reaction from you.
Why are you getting so overdefensive about a measly shared FOS at the end of a longish post? I mean, come on, it's a FOS. It doesn't even put you closer to a lynch. Why is it ridiculous for someone to FOS you for inactivity?
As for your two points against me, fair enough to question me for defending kpaca, but this is my playstyle. I despise buddying as a scumtell, and I'm personally more suspicious of people who halfheartedly follow popular bandwagons than people who oppose them.
Also, your opinions on kpaca and MM are very wishy-washy. Do you have a read on anyone, other than me? (If you're one of those people who's paranoid about sharing townreads because it helps scum with their NK, feel free to be vague.)
You didn't comment on my defence, or explain your suspect list. You just rehashed your old "tu quoque" (to quote Jazzmyn) argument, even though I'd already refuted it. I explained just why I singled out you and Jazzmyn. Do you believe or disbelieve my explanation?
2) I don't know what Mafia games you've been playing for the past three years, but people pressure lurkers all the time. Whether or not you think it's a scumtell (IMO, scum often stay passive and shut up when no one's looking their way), lurking is antitown. It robs the town of information and makes it easier for scum to hide. Just look at how this game is going for proof. In all fairness, I meta'd you and saw you mentioned as town that you didn't find lurking a scumtell. But by now, you should be familiar with votes to pressure quiet people to speak up--and this wasn't even a pressure vote. It was a pressure
FOS
.
3) Saying I mischaracterized your response as overdefensive does not make it true. Show where I "mischaracterized" your response. At the bottom of one of several longish posts, I voted for one player and casually FOSsed you and another player for lack of contribution. You reacted by calling me "ridiculous" for my FOS and voting me for something else. From my POV, that's
extremely
overdefensive and OMGUS, particularly since FOSses for inactivity are a dime a dozen.
Oh, and I usually don't put much stock in subconscious slips, but this quote supports my point:
@Mina: Your fos of
for lack of content when you had up until that point posted nothing, and didn't even bother to check whether
had been posting elsewhere was what was ridiculous.
(emphasis mine)
Notice something? I FOSsed both DoS and Jazzmyn for the same thing. Yet DragonsofSummer only cares about the fact that I targeted
him
. Says something about his priorities.
I know townies get overdefensive too, but your brand of overdefensiveness reminds me of a lazier version of
this post from my other mafiascum game. When someone who is all "guys, no need to be serious, let's just chill, TEEHEE RVS FUNTIME LOL!!!11!1!!!" switches gears and becomes highly confrontational at the slightest whiff of criticism, it raises a red flag.
4) You popped up soon after I called on you--proving you've been reading the thread. But all you do is defend yourself. Apparently, you have no thoughts on anything that's happened since your disappearance. Since your vote is still on me for buddying kpaca, have any of my five zillion wall posts either confirmed or weakened your suspicions of me? What do you think of ABR's case on Mordy?
Oh, and one more thing. I've skimmed the beginning of Newbie 867, and you're usually more reasonable and rational than this when you're town. What's changed this game?
My original vote on you was mainly for a specific strategic reason, but you know what I'm thinking now? That of all the players I suspect, you're the one who'll cost us the least if we lynch you today and you flip town. That is not a good position for you to be in. Shape up or swing.
