Mini 903 - Owarai TV (Game over... who won?)

Raivann · Post Post #225 (ISO) » Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:34 pm

dramonic wrote:It's hasty and uninformed. Also I already had previous suspicions of you. This just reinforces it.

wut? I've been suspensions of Hell's posts for awhile now, nice try though.

What do your previous suspicions consist of?

dramonic · Post Post #226 (ISO) » Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:21 pm

My previous suspicion is unrelated to your behaviour with Hell. It's more about your interaction with the Starbuck wagon that rubbed/scraped me the wrong way.

Raivann · Post Post #227 (ISO) » Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:13 pm

chauchaudotcom wrote:
I felt pressure, I really didn't have any other way to defend myself, so I claimed my role.
I believe we got a confession my friends.

Why no Hell vote then?

VP Baltar · Post Post #228 (ISO) » Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:18 pm

dramonic wrote:My previous suspicion is unrelated to your behaviour with Hell. It's more about your interaction with the Starbuck wagon that rubbed/scraped me the wrong way.

Really? Because you seemed to be implying fairly directly that he is scum who was voting his partner for a bus.

If that's not what you were doing, then what was the need to put your comment immediately after his vote? Also, how likely do you think it is for Raivann to be scum with Hell when he did state his suspicion well before the wagon took off?

dramonic · Post Post #229 (ISO) » Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:29 pm

VP Baltar wrote:
dramonic wrote:My previous suspicion is unrelated to your behaviour with Hell. It's more about your interaction with the Starbuck wagon that rubbed/scraped me the wrong way.
Really? Because you seemed to be implying fairly directly that he is scum who was voting his partner for a bus.

If that's not what you were doing, then what was the need to put your comment immediately after his vote? Also, how likely do you think it is for Raivann to be scum with Hell when he did state his suspicion well before the wagon took off?

I'm not saying I dont believe they are scum together. I'm saying what first triggered my suspicion of Raivann is unrelated to Hell. They could very well be scum together, the fact he stated earlier suspicions is meaningless, at the very least until either one flips.

VP Baltar · Post Post #230 (ISO) » Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:33 pm

Which of them is your preferred lynch for today?

Amished · Post Post #231 (ISO) » Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:34 pm

... That doesn't make sense.

If Hell is town, what does that tell you about Raiv's suspicion?
If Hell is scum, now what does that tell you about Raiv's suspicion?

Then reverse it:

If Raiv is town, what does that tell you about his suspicion?
If Raiv is scum, what does that tell you about his suspicion?

I don't see a definitive answer for any of these that can't be counter-argumented rather easily.

dramonic · Post Post #232 (ISO) » Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:36 pm

Amished wrote:... That doesn't make sense.

If Hell is town, what does that tell you about Raiv's suspicion?
If Hell is scum, now what does that tell you about Raiv's suspicion?

Then reverse it:

If Raiv is town, what does that tell you about his suspicion?
If Raiv is scum, what does that tell you about his suspicion?

I don't see a definitive answer for any of these that can't be counter-argumented rather easily.

Wether hell flips town or scum, I believe Raiv will flip scum. Meanwhile, I believe Hell will flip scum.

Call them mutually exclusive if you like.

VP Baltar · Post Post #233 (ISO) » Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:54 pm

VP Baltar wrote:Which of them is your preferred lynch for today?

dramonic · Post Post #234 (ISO) » Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:57 pm

Hell.

Devestation · Post Post #235 (ISO) » Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:03 pm

Wait, whoa, whats with all the hammering.

dramonic · Post Post #236 (ISO) » Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:04 pm

... no one's been hammered <<

Kise · Post Post #237 (ISO) » Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:51 pm

((BAD VOTE COUNT))

chauchaudotcom · Post Post #238 (ISO) » Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:23 pm

Raivann wrote:Why no Hell vote then?

VP was still in the process of questioning Hell and I wasn't about to put Hell in a position for a hammer until questioning was done.

Did my vote not go through because I didn't unvote? Unvote; Vote: Raivann

Kise · Post Post #239 (ISO) » Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:26 pm

Sorry, misread who you were voting for.

Vote Count:

HellnFire666: 5

(Raskol, VP Baltar, Devestation, dramonic, Raivann)

Amished: 2

(Starbuck, Inquisition)

Starbuck: 1

(Anon)

Raivann: 1

(chauchaudotcom)

Not Voting:

Amished, HellnFire666, xRECKONERx

Threshold:

7 votes.

Deadline:

January 22nd.

Inquisition was prodded last night. Just prodded Starbuck. Anon is eligible for a prod tomorrow, FYI.

Starbuck · Post Post #240 (ISO) » Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:46 pm

I'll be catching up shortly. I have an eval due that's taking over my life until the end of today.

But

Unvote

for now, until I catch up

xRECKONERx · Post Post #241 (ISO) » Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:49 pm

Let Starbuck catch up before anyone hammers. Oh, and I want to hammer.

Raskol · Post Post #242 (ISO) » Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:03 pm

Just something I thought I'd throw out there...

(This guy was telling the truth, btw. Start of D3 with no votes on him)

HellnFire's claim and his reactions since then have me doubting my previous scumread on him.

Unvote

Reck, why do you want to hammer? I thought you said you were leaning newbtown as well?

VP Baltar · Post Post #243 (ISO) » Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:14 am

Raskol wrote:Reck, why do you want to hammer? I thought you said you were leaning newbtown as well?

Yeah, that doesn't make any sense to me. You were implying you didn't want to vote him at all previously as far as I could tell. Considering he hasn't even posted, I don't see how this could have changed.

Amished · Post Post #244 (ISO) » Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:13 am

@Raskol: I was wondering what would make him (CoCo) claim like that; and it seems he kinda has a meta of that. He also claimed Doc with no votes on him after a blatant breadcrumb here

This game got a lot weirder with people catching up though.

VP Baltar · Post Post #245 (ISO) » Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:18 am

Happy Birthday, Amished!

So, HellnFire is a CoCo alt? (I've always wondered why everyone else seems to know everyone's alts and I do not)

If so, then he does indeed have a precedent for this kind of thing and I'd be ready to unvote for now.

If that was simply cited as an example, then I think that's much more the exception than the rule. There are plenty of games out there where scum have claimed their roles unprompted and early in an effort to save their hides.

Raskol · Post Post #246 (ISO) » Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:21 am

VP Baltar wrote:Happy Birthday, Amished!

So, HellnFire is a CoCo alt? (I've always wondered why everyone else seems to know everyone's alts and I do not)

If so, then he does indeed have a precedent for this kind of thing and I'd be ready to unvote for now.

If that was simply cited as an example, then I think that's much more the exception than the rule. There are plenty of games out there where scum have claimed their roles unprompted and early in an effort to save their hides.

It was just an example. As far as I know, HellFire isn't an alt of anyone.

It may be true that this is done by scum also; perhaps they even do it more often. But the impression it's giving me at the moment is more newb town than newb scum. I'm going to stick with my gut on this one, I think.

VP Baltar · Post Post #247 (ISO) » Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:25 am

Well, in fairness, I don't think CoCo was just some stupid noob doing it because he didn't know any better. As far as I can tell from his postings on this site, he seems to like to live up to the chaotic philosophy of his avatar. I think this is evidenced by the fact that no one was voting him when he claimed...which is substantially different to a player having some votes on them and feeling pressured to claim.

Raskol · Post Post #248 (ISO) » Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:57 am

Well, from the rest of his posts in that game, I think he really was at the least slightly off in the head and/or mafia-challenged (for example, someone used the phrase "early reports indicate that x and y are town" in the RVS, and CoCo spent multiple pages challenging the person to produce the reports. In complete seriousness.

).

I don't get a CoCo-ish feeling from HellFire at all, and it wasn't meant to be a comparison between the two players; it's just a case of someone claiming vanilla early and telling the truth (and CoCo had been under pressure from the previous day, so it wasn't out of the blue). Overall I don't really see why someone of either faction would benefit from claiming early: it seems to me that it's just a newb tell, if anything. But the way a thing is done can be telling as well, and the post where he claims doesn't give the air of someone who is trying to be tricky. It's hard to say exactly what I mean here, but posting his suspicions in the same breath as his claim seems to be the move of someone who knows he's telling the truth and expects people to believe him (either that or a scum clever/experienced enough to fake that kind of naivete, which doesn't seem likely).

VP Baltar · Post Post #249 (ISO) » Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:04 am

Raskol wrote:(for example, someone used the phrase "early reports indicate that x and y are town" in the RVS, and CoCo spent multiple pages challenging the person to produce the reports. In complete seriousness. ).

lulz

Raskol wrote:Overall I don't really see why someone of either faction would benefit from claiming early: it seems to me that it's just a newb tell, if anything.

Well, it's not so much that I see any actual scum benefit from him doing it as I think he felt pressure that wasn't necessarily there and really did think it would refute the arguments against him. As you said, it's a noob tell (which does not speak to actual alignment).

I do hear what you are saying though Raskol and that is actually the reason I'm trying to question him. I'd like to know what his experience is and possibly read some of his previous games.

Him falling off the face of the earth doesn't exactly make me feel better about him though.