Newbie 888 - Game Over!

[pablito]

Vote Count

Medix (4): MichelSableheart, Kyiv, RandomMaster, kunkstar7
Magic Trainer (2): almightybob, Medix
Kyiv (1): PatriotsDynasty09

not voting: Lastsurvivor, Magic Trainer

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!

Fixed. Thanks.

[Lastsurvivor]

I think you did it again, pablito. >.<

[kunkstar7]

Lastsurvivor, you sticking out to me as trying to post a lot but not putting out a lot of content. Most of your posts have just been one liners about this or that, and you haven't accused anyone besides a little argument with Magic Trainer and going along with the Medix wagon. What are your thoughts on Magic Trainer? Is there anyone besides Medix you found scumtells from?

[Lastsurvivor]

Just because I don't pack a punch in every one of my posts doesn't mean I don't put out a lot of content, for one thing. I have recently been slacking a bit though, but the game has kind of slowed down. Also, I haven't accused a lot of people because I don't exactly have anything conclusive. Accusing people over tiny stuff ain't my thing.

Magic Trainer is alright, I guess. I still think the argument he threw at me was a wee bit poorly put together, and that's a bit scummy. And it seems that him and Medix are the only two people I have fos'd down on my notes, so that would be a nada on your last question. I'm going to to a reread later tonight though.

Would you mind answering your own questions for me?

[kunkstar7]

About Magic Trainer: I felt his post about walrus and his vote on your were inconsistent in logic. Saying that we should wait for a while for a lynch, while is not a bad thing as you don't want to quicklynch while there is still discussion ongoing, offsets me as we should not just sit and wait, we should pressure suspects for information and scumtells. By just waiting you will not force anyone into a slip-up, I'm sure the scum will be much more comfortable lurking and "waiting" out till the deadline in hopes of a slip-up.

The above is also my input regarding something that hasn't been mentioned, along with calling you on your posting style. I do not say your voting pattern is bad as I am not a quick voter myself, just that your posts have been mostly one-liners and along with the tide, mostly on Medix.

[Kyiv]

Quick note:

and he tried to change the debate focus to me, which is worked

Pot, meet kettle.

What does that mean?

It looks like Medix is our lynch today unless something incredible happens... I believe a role claim is in order, but it isn't my place to say: it's up to those who are willing to hammer. For now, my vote remains on Medix.

[MichelSableheart]

Quick note:

and he tried to change the debate focus to me, which is worked

Pot, meet kettle.

What does that mean?

It is a play on the saying "the pot calling the kettle black". It is used when someone is accusing someone else of something he is guilty of himself. See my last post for why I disagree with that analysis of Medix' play.

@everyone who has been saying there wasn't much to say: not lynching because we want more content is fine and all, but more content won't magically appear when you aren't actually contributing. Find something to say, rather then wait for someone else.

Still happy with my Medix vote, but lastsurvivor is starting to look scummy. For someone who wanted to learn more from discussion, he has been awfully focussed on Medix lately.

[Lastsurvivor]

I've been busy, Michel, so I'm generally going with the flow of the town atm. I'm going to do a reread soon since I have some spare time (couldn't get around to it yesterday), and attempt to give some questions.

[Lastsurvivor]

Are the four people voting Medix voting him because you think he's scum, or because he's not putting forward any content? I'm personally not sure if he's a scared scum or just a useless townie.

Bob, would you rather lynch Magic Trainer over Medix?

[MichelSableheart]

Personally, I'm voting him because there is a reasonable chance he is scum and I wouldn't mind seeing him lynched. His behaviour has been favouring scum, even though it could be the result of inexperience. The main factor in my decission, however, is that the bandwagon doesn't feel like scum trying to get a mislynch. It could be that scum are taking advantage of a mistake of pro-town players, but scum definately aren't the driving factor in this bandwagon.

[Lastsurvivor]

Alright, Michel. Kyiv, RM, Kunk, what do you think?

[kunkstar7]

From rereading my post where I voted Medix, I think I'm leaning more towards because of lack of content. He has been very weak and basically if he isn't scum then he is not helping the town at all right now, providing the scum with an easy lynch target.

[Lastsurvivor]

From rereading my post where I voted Medix, I think I'm leaning more towards because of lack of content. He has been very weak and basically if he isn't scum then he is not helping the town at all right now, providing the scum with an easy lynch target.

Well, you should really only be voting him because you think he's scum. I'm assuming you think that, right?

[kunkstar7]

Is that always the case? In this case yes, since he's at L-1. But early votes can be used as pressure votes regardless if they are acting really scummy or not. Although it should be said that you shouldn't ever vote for someone you have a strong town read on. But in the cases of null reads then voting them for lack of contribution and pressuring them is an alternative to voting because they are scum. Yes I do believe that he his actions so far are more likely indicators of scum, so I have no problem with seeing this lynch through.

[Lastsurvivor]

Good point Kunk.

Medix hasn't posted since Wednesday. Think he just gave up?

[PatriotsDynasty09]

From rereading my post where I voted Medix, I think I'm leaning more towards because of lack of content. He has been very weak and basically if he isn't scum then he is not helping the town at all right now, providing the scum with an easy lynch target.

Well, you should really only be voting him because you think he's scum. I'm assuming you think that, right?

This is not always the case. If we leave Medix in this game, do you think that scum will NK him? I don't think so. If a townie is not active they are HELPING the scum and if we don't lynch him and he is still inactive then we will lose this game.

[Magic Trainer]

I'm still somewhat unsure about whether to vote Medix. You're right, we can't just wait and hope some other people will find evidence as the scum might just lurk. Which is why I think it'd be a good idea as to get the statistics of each players posting. For those we see who don't post much we can question them about their activity leval and pressure them for information. Just how do I search the thread though?

If Medix does turn up to be scum I think it's a slight possibility his partner gave up on him and could be voting him out to clear his innocence. Is this something that has happened in other games that could be a scum tell?

[kunkstar7]

@Magic Trainer, you can search each players post using the "Display posts from previous" feature at the bottom. Reading a single players post in isolation is referred to as "iso".

As for the partner voting him, that is a possibility and happens, but in my view its hard to tell who the partner could be in this case as Medix hasn't done much.

[almightybob]

Sorry guys, had an unexpected and involuntary V/LA there. Back now, will get some thoughts up tomorrow.

[Lastsurvivor]

From rereading my post where I voted Medix, I think I'm leaning more towards because of lack of content. He has been very weak and basically if he isn't scum then he is not helping the town at all right now, providing the scum with an easy lynch target.

Well, you should really only be voting him because you think he's scum. I'm assuming you think that, right?

This is not always the case. If we leave Medix in this game, do you think that scum will NK him? I don't think so. If a townie is not active they are HELPING the scum and if we don't lynch him and he is still inactive then we will lose this game.

I think the wording of my question caused some confusion. Original question:

Are the four people voting Medix voting him because you think he's scum, or because he's not putting forward any content? I'm personally not sure if he's a scared scum or just a useless townie.

Now, Kunk said that he was leaning toward no content, which would imply that he figured that Medix was probably town. I see what you're getting at, PD, but you should still have a thought that a lurker could be lurking scum in that case. I know that Kunk probably thought that, but I was just clarifying to make sure.

[Lastsurvivor]

@Magic: Scum usually tries to distance themselves from their partners, because players usually analyze the dead person and think "Player A was defending Dead Mafia A pretty hard, so Player A is probably scum." So it's more of a scumtell if someone is defending the mafia.

[Kyiv]

Thanks Michel!

I'm still somewhat unsure about whether to vote Medix. You're right, we can't just wait and hope some other people will find evidence as the scum might just lurk. Which is why I think it'd be a good idea as to get the statistics of each players posting. For those we see who don't post much we can question them about their activity leval and pressure them for information. Just how do I search the thread though?

And who exactly would you be looking at? What kind of content are you hoping to find? What would sway your vote? Don't answer them, just keep it in mind.

I'm still annoyed at Medix for consistently disappearing and avoiding questions. I believe that if he isn't scum, he can still provide good info from his flip. For now, he is my best choice for a lynch.

[PatriotsDynasty09]

I'm still annoyed at Medix for consistently disappearing and avoiding questions. I believe that if he isn't scum, he can still provide good info from his flip. For now, he is my best choice for a lynch.

I think we are all agreed that Medix is the best choice because he has "given up" but I still think we should talk for 4-7 days more just to get as much info as we can (even though no one is really saying anything). Almightybob said he'll have some stuff tomorrow, but right now I think we need a roleclaim from Medix. You never know if he's the doctor/cop, and his "giving up" style of play will really hurt us if he is one of those roles.

[Lastsurvivor]

@Mod: Can we get a Medix prod?

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Kyiv: What info will we receive if he's town? If he's scum?

I'm not saying that we won't get any info at all, I just want to see what stands out at you.

[pablito]

Hasn't been 72 hrs yet, but I'll prod anyway.